FastFisher 14 vs Buccaneer 130

[malvizzu]

Will heed your advice Shanook

[malvizzu]

I've been told that for the Kaptan Twin 14, an approximate maximum weight for the motor/s should be 100kg because of the volume of the boat. The E-Tech 30HP is 80kg, whilst the 40HP is 110kg. The Suzuki 40HP is 110kg. I already have a Mariner 9.9 (2-stroke) which i would like to use as an auxilliary. Don't know weight but quite heavy. If i go for the 40HP, it would be above limit and have to opt out for the auxilliary, something which I would not like to do, whilst if I go for the 30HP I might not have enough power as some suggested further up in the thread. Usually we'll be 2 people for fishing (trolling), and 4 people for a ride on Sundays. Any comments would be extremely helpful.

[skip]

Looks like you're restricted to a 30hp+your current 9.9 which probably weighs around 27kgs or so. You can always double check on a scale at home.

My colleague has a 30hp 2 stroke Mercury and gets reasonable performance with 2-3 ppl though he doesn't have an aux

[malvizzu]

Skip - what problems does the boat encounter if the weight of the motors exceeds the requirements, say by 25kg or 30kg? And is the problem solved if flaps are fitted to the boat at the back?

[skip]

Aside from stressing the transom which could leads to cracks etc, you have weight distribution issues. When the stern is heavy you tend to get alot of porpoising with the bow bouncing up and down. Trim tabs could help but you would want to try and get more weight up front. (Similar problem to what I have at the moment).

As you're looking at locally built boats I would speak with the builder and see what they can do about reinforcing the transom if need be. Plus if the boat is being built from scratch you could consider them building in the fuel tank properly in the bow.

[malvizzu]

Very informative. Many thanks.

[shanook]

the 40 etech would be around the 100kg i presume and u will have a lot more speed out of it then the 4 stroke...............

[malvizzu]

Yes. According to the Evinrude US website, there are 4 types of 40HP E-Tech and range between 105kg an 113kg. That means if I want to buy a motor for a Kaptan Twin 14, I have to do without the 40HP and go for the 30HP if I want to use my Mariner 9.9HP as auxilliary.

[robby017]

.... or sell your mariner and get a smaller auxilliary........ just an opinion... i know of 13-14 foot boats only powered by a 9.9, so say a 5 hp would be a sufficient aux engine, i mean, we have a 9.8 aux on an 18 foot speedboat and we see 5 knots with 2 persons (you could say 3 avrage persons as i compensate for a 2nd lol) on board on a calm day on 3/4 throttle with the 140hp engine lifted....

[skip]

Good point robby, a 9,9 is large as an aux. You should be able to sell that pretty easily

[robby017]

or........ find another mariner and run pararrel 9.9's like on the kaptan twin......

[busumark]

sell the 9.9 hp and buy a 6 hp 4-stroke as auxiliary.  the new suzuki 60 hp weighs about 105 kg but i think that it will be overpowered and more expensive than the 40 hp but you have the same weight with more power. speak with someone who has a 30 hp and uses the boat with 4 persons. mine is with 25 2-stroke and with 3 persons if the sea is good its ok but when with swell i could do with a bit more power. if the 30 hp has really more power than the 25 hp i would go for the 30 e-tech you have 25 kg less. the same weight of the 6 hp 4-stroke aux.

[kurtfalcon]

malvizzu what you have to decide is whether you will be using the boat for fishing with two persons or for the Sunday trips. The 40hp is of larger displacement than the 30hp thus it will give you more power than needed for trolling but will be extremely excellent for the Sunday trips with the four persons. The Kaptan Twin will give you good performances with both engines in both situations. What you have to  consider is for what purpose you would be using it most. Lets say you will be using it 25 times for fishing and 5 times for the Sunday cruise per year. It won't be a good idea to have a larger displacement engine for just five times because on the other 25 you will see more fuel wasted from the larger displacement block.

Even when it comes to weight; less weight = more power. I wont believe that a Kaptan boat will crack because you add more weight on the transom. I frequently go to visit my friend Johnny at Kaptan and I've never seen a Kaptan boat there for repairs. Kaptan boat owners are proud of the boat 15 years after the purchase as much as they are the first time they put it into the the sea and if you see second hand ones for sale, they are being sold with a heavy heart.

In my opinion what you should do is take robby,skip and busumark's advice and buy a 6-hp auxiliary instead of the 9.9 and mount it near the 30hp or 40hp. There  are several Kaptans with this configuration. Moreover you should ask the guys at Kaptan about this problem, I am sure they will be more than eager to help.

I hope my 'priedka tal Hadd' length post didn't annoy you and was of any help.
Sorry but when it comes to boats and outboards I can't stop writing 

[malvizzu]

On the contrary your post is very helpful. Yes I would be using the boat more for trolling and it would be the occasional Sunday that I take my family for a long ride. It also depends heavily on the weather if it's a good one. I have always been given the impression that a slightly bigger motor is better because it is less strained and consumes less fuel because one uses less revs when moving. Today I have seen the E-Tech and got the prices. There is a €1100 gap between 30HP and 40HP, but I am prepared to offload that money if the boat is more comfortable with 40HP although I am in no way a well-off. Still I want to have an auxilliary, whether it's my 9.9HP 2-stroke or a 6HP 4-stroke as I never felt comfortable out at sea with just one engine with my previous frejgatina.

[busumark]

for trolling you can use the 6 hp. its a lot more econimical. its true that if the motor is less strained it consumes less fuel but the 30 hp will be good if you are going to use it more for fishing. with 1100 euros you have nearly for a new 6 hp 4-stroke.