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Title: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: savioursajdbis on April 05, 2013, 17:34:55 CET
Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Does it make any  difference ?
If I have a boat registered S will I be able to apply for the Applications for Recreational Fishermen Blue Fin Tuna Licences for 2013 ?
Thanks and regards Saviour Azzopardi
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Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 05, 2013, 19:17:13 CET
Saviour, nothing changes until it changes.  So, yes, until now, you can apply for the permit.
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 06, 2013, 15:18:59 CET
Is it common practice, or easy, that boats on S registration change over to MFC?
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: savioursajdbis on April 06, 2013, 15:45:39 CET
I going to have a new boat should I register it MFC or S ?
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: savioursajdbis on April 06, 2013, 15:48:42 CET
and if someone know the fees ?
Thanks and regards.
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: savioursajdbis on April 09, 2013, 15:22:03 CET
grazzi ee fqajtuni finfo e.
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: caldaland on April 09, 2013, 15:29:27 CET
Quote from: savioursajdbis on April 06, 2013, 15:48:42 CET
and if someone know the fees ?
Thanks and regards.
please........can anyone answer this person?
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 09, 2013, 15:38:12 CET
MFC millewwel salv nahseb ahjar tigik irhas milli stajt nifhem!
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: benri on April 09, 2013, 16:09:39 CET
Fees for S Register are as follows:
http://www.transport.gov.mt/admin/uploads/media-library/files/Annex%203%20-%20Rate%20Sheet%202011.pdf
IRF=Initial Registration Fee
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 10, 2013, 11:13:21 CET
Quote from: benri on April 09, 2013, 16:09:39 CET
Fees for S Register are as follows:
http://www.transport.gov.mt/admin/uploads/media-library/files/Annex%203%20-%20Rate%20Sheet%202011.pdf
IRF=Initial Registration Fee

If you intend to do any fishing from your boat, or use your boat for recreational fishing, I would advise that you register under the MFC registry.  Eventually, all 'S' and Valletta registered vessels engaging in recreational fishing will have to be registered as MFC. 
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: Cellikku on April 10, 2013, 13:45:35 CET
Hekk hemm ghidud
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 10, 2013, 14:25:04 CET
Quote from: Cellikku on April 10, 2013, 13:45:35 CET
Hekk hemm ghidud

Dawn mhux ghejdut, dawn fatti.  Kull opra tal-bahar li bhalissa hija registrata 'S' u din l-opra qeda ukoll tintuza ghas sajd rekrejativ, trid tigi registrata MFC.  Allura, li qed jaghmel id-dipartiment, huwa li qed jipprepara kollox ghal din il-qalba fir-registration.  Mit-tahdidiet li jien kelli mad-Direttur Generali, jidher (nerga nirrepeti il-kelma jidher) li mhux ser jintalab hlas zejjed jew extra.  Kull opra li taqleb ir-registration ghal MFC, izzom dak ir-registration biss.  B'hekk, taqa ir-registration 'S' u tibqa tghodd biss ir-registration MFC. 
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: malvizzu on April 10, 2013, 14:44:23 CET
Quote from: The_Gaffer on April 10, 2013, 14:25:04 CET

Dawn mhux ghejdut, dawn fatti.  Kull opra tal-bahar li bhalissa hija registrata 'S' u din l-opra qeda ukoll tintuza ghas sajd rekrejativ, trid tigi registrata MFC.  Allura, li qed jaghmel id-dipartiment, huwa li qed jipprepara kollox ghal din il-qalba fir-registration.  Mit-tahdidiet li jien kelli mad-Direttur Generali, jidher (nerga nirrepeti il-kelma jidher) li mhux ser jintalab hlas zejjed jew extra.  Kull opra li taqleb ir-registration ghal MFC, izzom dak ir-registration biss.  B'hekk, taqa ir-registration 'S' u tibqa tghodd biss ir-registration MFC. 

Good to know Joe. Keep us informed please as mine is one of the many Ss!!! Thanks.
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 10, 2013, 14:51:53 CET
Very good, I'll just wait for the changeover then. thansk for the info!
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 16, 2013, 12:05:40 CET
Guys, I've been in contact with fisheries, and this is their reply:

SUBJECT: new Reg in the MFC category from S



XXX XXXX at MSDEC-FCD <XXXXXXXX@gov.mt>
13:31 (29 minutes ago)


Good morning Mr Mamo,

Please refer to your query.

Please note that it is not possible to register vessels that were previously registered as 'S'  in the MFC Category.

Thank you and Regards,
XXXX XXXX
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 16, 2013, 12:27:17 CET
Quote from: bmamo on April 16, 2013, 12:05:40 CET
Guys, I've been in contact with fisheries, and this is their reply:

SUBJECT: new Reg in the MFC category from S

XXX XXXX at MSDEC-FCD <XXXXXXXX@gov.mt>
13:31 (29 minutes ago)


Good morning Mr Mamo,

Please refer to your query.

Please note that it is not possible to register vessels that were previously registered as 'S'  in the MFC Category.

Thank you and Regards,
XXXX XXXX

As I wrote in my previous post, the FD is in the process of preparing the necessary framework and supporting admin to facilitate the massive changeover expected from S to MFC.  bmamo, it would have been beneficial if you also posted your original mail to the fisheries dept.  As yet, the FD are not accepting applications from 'S' registered boats to switch to MFC for the simple reason that as yet, no legislation has been enacted, therefore as thoings stand now, S registered boats are allowed to fish. 
This is still very much works in progress guys.
Please, do not worry or stress yourselves.  The draft proposals are all still up for discussion with a wider base of stakeholders, which discussions will include representatives from the Malta Fishing Forum. However, please do keep posting here your queries and thoughts.  When the time comes, we will go over the suggestions, thoughts, concerns, ideas, etc, and ensure adequate representation in the discussions. 
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 17, 2013, 07:15:26 CET
Thanks for the clarification Gaffer. Will wait for further news.

As regards to the original email, here it is:

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Hi,
       I have an 'S' registered boat, and would like to change over to MFC. I have two questions.

Is it possible to do this?
What is needed from my part?

Thanks in advance

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Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: toxictuna on April 20, 2013, 16:36:00 CET
What happens to who has a valletta reg boat?
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 20, 2013, 16:46:37 CET
Quote from: toxictuna on April 20, 2013, 16:36:00 CET
What happens to who has a valletta reg boat?

I have alerted the DG of Fisheries about this issue and other issues we are facing.  Will keep you all in the loop.  Had a meeting with him on Friday and he said there should not be an issue to register boats in the MFC category.  Naturally, I challenged that, and provided email proof. The DG is looking into the issue now.

Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: benri on April 21, 2013, 04:47:21 CET
Cheers Gaffer
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 21, 2013, 17:07:55 CET
Gaffer, Did you notify him that it's not a new reg, but a change from S to MFC?
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: skip on April 21, 2013, 18:10:02 CET
I always knew it as new boats can register MFC, existing S cannot transfer as the registry was closed to transfers.

Can someone remind me if the Initial MFC registration fee is €465.87? and for Valletta Registered Vessels they are supposed to pay a reduced fee to TM and €58.23 to FCD
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 21, 2013, 19:15:48 CET
Nick! MFC registration is not closed.  The only restrictions are on MFB and MFA, which are controlled by the EU.  The former fisheries DG made up a lot of regulations to suit himself and his croonies
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: skip on April 22, 2013, 07:35:17 CET
Fair enough, but if the transfer fee is also €465.87 it's not worthwhile, it has to be a free transfer as most likely boat owners will have to get a surveyor in to confirm the boat complies with the MFC requirements , of which the list is rather long (Flares, VHF etc etc)
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: benri on April 22, 2013, 07:51:00 CET
Yesterday we had a meeting at the Bugibba Club and members of the Federation were present. Dr Joe gave a thorough explanation regarding the S and MFC issue and it was very interesting. In fact I suggest all members go to the forthcoming meeting on May 5th.
To cut a long story short, apparently all MFC will have to register S as currently they (MFC) are not registered with Transport Malta!!! Following this, all boats to be used for fishing will need to have an MFC Licence. I was also astonished to note that to date there are no legal fishing restrictions on S boats whatsoever! Therefore, as at today, as S boat can go fishing with a parit and no action can be taken legally! Unbelievable but true! Restrictions are only on MFC boats who on the other hand have no licence to be in the water!!! Made in Malta!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: bmamo on April 22, 2013, 08:08:42 CET
Lol are you serious?? Hahahahaha!! X'tghaffig!!
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: The_Gaffer on April 22, 2013, 08:51:21 CET
Quote from: bmamo on April 22, 2013, 08:08:42 CET
Lol are you serious?? Hahahahaha!! X'tghaffig!!

You'd be surprised!!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: skip on April 22, 2013, 13:16:39 CET
Certainly things need an overhaul, it's the MFC boats <6m which don't have a licence to be on the water as the larger ones should have also been registered Valletta so those are okay.

Hopefully it won't be another money making exercise....I'm happy to pay a reasonable annual fee but as stated above no Transfer fees.
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: shanook on April 23, 2013, 19:25:17 CET
As things stand the S registered boats have more right to fish that the MFC ones. They are also licensed to navigate in Maltese waters while MFC are not............I love it........OIM (only in Malta)
Title: Re: Recreational Fishermen should have a boat registered MFC or S ?
Post by: savioursajdbis on April 25, 2013, 18:24:14 CET
MFC registration fee is €465.87 + surveyor and so on .to reg a boat S. Over 9.9 HP to 25 HP Euro 50 Euro 20 (Annually) = 70 Euro . For me MFC it no reasonable price and all this is to have fun fishing .