Budget quote :
Wara li s‐sena l‐oħra ntegrajna l‐liċenzja ta? l‐opri tal‐baħar
mal‐liċenzja tar‐radju ta? fuq id‐dgħajsa u neħħejna l‐ħtieġa li
jsiru żewġ pagamenti fis‐sena lil dipartimenti differenti,
qegħdin issa nirrevedu l‐ħlas tar‐reġistrazzjoni annwali talyachts
indikat fit‐tabella 3.1, li nitlob lill‐Kamra tieħu bħala
moqrija.
Tabella 3.1: Liċenzji tal‐Yachts
Yachts Reġistrazzjoni Annwali
Liċenzja (?)
Aktar minn 3.64 u mingħajr magni 90
0 sa 9.9 hp 120
10 sa 25 hp 140
26 sa 50 hp 165
51 sa 75 hp 185
76 sa 150 hp 190
Aktar minn 150 hp 200
means that having a 9.9hp need to pay 120euro every year or just one for the registration?
does the definition of yacts also includes perse open boats ,cabin boats and speed boats ,or they are a separate category .
I presume its a one off payment but then, one really can't say!!! Do you know otherwise gazetta?
I have a suzuki 55 and i pay 82 eruos yearly now it will be euros 185 i assume .you cant pay a Lm75 as 1 st reg it's too cheap. i think those were the new charges .........
any one can help......
The document quoted above talks about annual registration, which I understand means every year i.e. the annual registration renewal
Unless there is some mistake in the above table, this is clearly daylight robbery in the case of the smallest boats.
Till now boats with small engines (up to 9.9 hp) pay 34.94 euros (LM15) every 5 years for registration renewal - it works out at about 7 euros per year.
So does it mean that I will now have to pay 120 euros every year for my microscopic 10 foot boat with a 3 hp engine when up to now I was paying just 7 euros per year?
This would be a ridiculous 1600% increase. On the other hand boats with larger engines will have more reasonable increases (although probably still rather unwelcome) - for example boats with engines above 150 hp will see an increase from 139.76 euros to 200 euros, which works out at a somewhat more reasonable 43%)
I am only hoping that this is some sort of error and that the new fees for boats without engines and boats with engines up to 9.9 hp also refer to five year periods as in the current MMA schedule of fees (http://www.mma.gov.mt/yacting_fees.htm).
any news>>>>>>>>
Apparently the above quoted figures are the correct new annual fees......
ok ..... :o >:( >:( >:(
Mela le...Nice Gvern ;), This is just ridiculous! I think we should prostest ...I dont even use up 120euros of fuel per year ! >:( >:(
just a perfect bugett !!! se jiklilna id delizju bl-ispejjes..
the least he should do is to tax the 4 stroke engines , they are up to standard regarding emissions what the h...
who is registered mfc he should pay like this also?????
i have a 9.9hp engine and my boat is registered MFC. i pay 23.30 euros a year for the mfc licence and 7 euros p.a. for license of the motor, i don't know why i have to pay 2 licences.
those who have their boat MFC registered also pay 2 licences like me??
I have an mfb and mfc license and dont know what the FU** is happenining lol
those who were s and now are mfc have to pay 2 licences. those who are new registered mfc pay only one. we have to do something because now we you have less than 9.9 and was registered s and now mfc we have to pay 120 euros for a number that we dont use. its not shown on the boat. 7 euros was not a lot but to pay 120 euros for nothing is just robbery
insomma il qarnit meta ikun bil guh idur ghal subajh stess.........la ma hemx flus minn xinkien iridu jigu man.........jien mandiex ideja ta kemm sen nhallas imma jekk ghada ma gholitx ma tantx nohoda bi kira li jivvintaw xi taxxa
the octopuss eats its own tentacles when hungry.....since there no money they have to come from somewhere.....I dont know how much i have to pay and if mine is still the same i wont be surprised that they will make a Tax to get somthing out of us too.
(sorry guys the thread was started in Maltese but it seemed to switch to English so wasnt sure what to write in and its not worth translating all the threads.)
do you think a petition will help?? its nonsense to pay 2 licences
once again this tax is for those who can bearly afford to have a small pleasure boat. All Yachts under Valletta registration will not be effected.
Flimkien kollox possibli
if so lets go for a petition. Its unbelivanle to much increase. Anyone know how to work a petition?
who will be in charge of such a thing guys? i don't know what is the format and what is needed. is there maybe a fishing lawyer?? lol
im sure that many people will agree with this thing. heq im sure all small boat owners are willing to sign
I dont know if anything will happen ganni,forget petitions,they are for nothing.With this gov you dont have chance to say something.Bunch of A....... especially Austin Gatt.
well said camkev. Before I used to pay lm15 for mine 9.9 outboard every 5 years. The new rates are now annually or not?
yes they are all annually
ma hemx xtamel fishfinder irridu naqbdu aktar hut forsi nifdu jew ninfdu il but??
theres nothing to do fishfinder we have to catch more fish maybe we make ends meet ??
Thanks bro ,good solution :) but still in my case 130 extra euros i could have bought a safety device , or fuel ........................
if they want to prove eco awerness they minisrty should incentive tldi and 4 stroke by lowering their price not taxing all across the board ........
I fully agree with you Sirena. that's Malta! Most probably that will be the next step now - to increase again the licence for 2 strokes blaming the pollution!
probably that will be the next step .
f...k it ux we pay , its our hobby
This letter was sent by my friend to the minisrty concerned , a reply was sent , may be if we do sign a petition they will re consider the tarrifs ... :-[ :-[
Dear Honor Fenech,
Considering the present situation in the world, I agree with most of the implemented things in this budget especially the clauses regarding the environment.
In my opinion the new boat licenses are unfair as all small vessels that cost from Euro1000 to Euro14000 will have to pay 3 times as much or more, and the huge Yachts that cost millions pay much less, although they can afford.
I think if you really want to promote the saving of the environment you should consider that many people are investing in expensive four stroke outboards that cost much more than the usual normal two stroke outboards, these four stroke outboards are more environment friendly and consume less fuel with much less emissions. This would be very similar to the new car regulations. (the more you pollute the more you pay).
I think you should seriously consider the above, as around the world many engineers are trying their best to help the environment with these engines and you are putting the same tax burden as the conventional two stroke and this may look as a contradiction.
Regards,
THIS mail was sent to the ministry concerned , any similar suggestion pls mail on budget2009@gov.com.mt .
boats who have a 9.9hp or less the license increased by 17 times not 3 times.a complete robbery. these people have these boats because they dont afford bigger boats and you make them pay these fees its complete madness and the those who have yachts there is nothing about them. maybe the minister used the word yachts so that those having a small boat will think that they are not effected until they receive the paper that they have to pay the new fee. and those who are being made to pay a double license now have to pay 120 euros and more for a number that its not shown on the boat. does anyone know what one can do about this.
i think we should start a petition!! what is needed?? any one has a good idea how to do one??
I agree if we make a kind of petition and send it to the minister. The license review is only applied to small boats! People who have big boats do not pay the exegerated way we are going to pay. A guy owning a big boat is sure to have big money but ones like us who have small boats like mine 14.5 ft are not contributing not even the same way!
To do a petition one have to give the description of the subject concerned and then gather as much signs as possible together with their I.D. card number and addresses and then send the gathered info to the ministry department concerned .That's my idea of a petition.
I am still confused about the issue. Wheras for boats with a 9.9 hp engine or less, table 3.1 in the budget report gives 120 euros as annual registration licence (see the 1st post in this topic) a table published in today's issue of l-orrizont gives 120 euros as the registration fee for 5 years.
This is still a huge increase from 35 ewro or so but paying 120 euros every 5 years would be much better than paying them every year. Which is the correct version?
At present you pay every five years for a boat not exceeding 3.6m in lenght and not exceedin 10 H.P. but I don't know nothing about the new fees. I have just sent an e-mail to MMA.
The address for the present fees is this:
http://www.mma.gov.mt/yacting_fees.htm (http://www.mma.gov.mt/yacting_fees.htm)
how much will an mfc license holder with a 15hp motor pay???
igifiri jien ta frejgatina ta linjam 13'.. bmagna inbord 10hp.... F'Jannar li gej irid itih 600 e??al hames snin . dan ok jew?
Perla 165 that is what it looks like - 600 euros for 5 years - if you want a reduction throw away your inboard and convert it to a rowing boat. That will work out at just 450 euros for 5 years instead of 600 (Yes, according to the budget report a rowing boat longer than 12 feet is 90 euros per year). Tiffranka xi haga! This is just madness!
hey guys i hear MartinB is giving lessons in beach casting and spinning for those thinking of selling or getting rid of the boat because of these exuberant prices. Yep when u become a member of parliament ur only concern is going abroad on ppls money and not in simple hobbies like fishing?!?And these ppl know that circulation of money is the healthiest for the economy and yet they do their best so that ppl dont spend...We spend money on equipment, lures, bait, maintenance of boat and diesel or petrol (Which isnt cheap). So i presume they want these tackle shops and all those who sell marine products to close...WHY?...how can that help the economy?
I was right about the Octopus eh?
i phoned today maritime authority to ask for new license fees. she told that officialy for now they dont have the new fees. she told me to phone again at the end of the week. on the times of last saturday in an article there was written that the fees that are in the begining of this post are annually. and those yachts that are under 24m pay 200 euros and over 24m 580 euros. if you have a boat over 3.6m without engine you pay half the price of a 24m yacht that maybe has twin 500 hp engines
they told me the same when I've called and now I've just remembered that I have a small boat in the garage with the registration number and I have to pay ?90 too.
so now I have to pay ?190 for the Kaptan and ?90 for this piece of boat. :'( >:( >:(
issa naraw flimkien kollox nhalsu. eeee possibli
Any and every excuse to collect money has been implemented!
yes sir, bull's eye they targeted our hobbies ...........
hey Skip!, remember our conversation on the boat, with particular reference to the nation's broken back!....Always knew I was a prophet!
anarchy my friends!
go out and do not pay licences
Good idea placebo ;D Will do that.
yes ok let them do..... 5 years is a short time my friend.
what happens if we don't pay?
Quote from: placebo on November 11, 2008, 20:44:22 CET
anarchy my friends!
go out and do not pay licences
Right on Placebo! I'm with you on this one..
Hi guys, My friend went to check at maritime today about the new fees.
They told him that boats with 9.9hp or less will still pay the license every 5 years, and that there was a mistake when they said 120 euros yearly.
Hope that this is true. :o
Quote from: reuben485 on November 12, 2008, 19:35:48 CET
Hi guys, My friend went to check at maritime today about the new fees.
They told him that boats with 9.9hp or less will still pay the license every 5 years, and that there was a mistake when they said 120 euros yearly.
Hope that this is true. :o
Well if so that makes a bit more sense hux.... Otherwise it's just plain ridiculous!
it makes sense every five years but still it's on the high side
Ghadom kem batuli biex inhallas al kajjik ... il kajjik qijed mfc.. u licenzja alih baqet listes (Lm10 fis sena).. izda ax huwa taht is 6 metri *. Forsi lahwa biex nifrankaw naqa... narmaw blimqadeff ux... alkem xorta emm 90 e omg ee! kulhad down 2 earth ee
If the 120 euros are every 5 years it works out at LM 10 or so every year - quite more expensive than before but still a reasonable licence fee, but 120 euros every year is totally way out for most people with small boats
I checked also guys. I have a 9.9 on an 11 foot dinghi, and as said 120euro avery 5 years. At least not the amount I taught at the beginning, because if it was yearly, they should have gone insaine.
I paid my license last year, so I still have another 4 years.
I recieved some info regarding my boat license. My new license fee for next year is 140 euros annually for a boat with 20 H.P.! From 46.58 euros to 140 euros 3 times the old fee! They want to kill our hobbies! Does any have any idea what we can do? Any idea if changing registration type would be wise? That is from S to something else?
And guys having yachts who can afford paying more do not share the same weight.
True buddy.
Huh those who can afford more, pay the less.
That is our Malta guys.Every where else in the world the goverments are trying to help in the economy to pass this difficult time while our goverment is trying to make us go to some place begging!! :-X
i am not going to pay my licence !!!
Do you think it is fair to pay 140 euros + 85 euros insurance for my piece of 13ft junk?????
This bluddy government is going insane :@
Ahna irridu nejxu bhal fqar u l ministri ghaddejjin bil bmw's u l jaguars.
Bigboy your boat is not a piece of junk,it's your boat and you don't keep a boat to make business with it.You keep your boat to practise your hobby with it.What the goverment is trying to do is to keep us workers just work and work and we cannot even try to keep a small boat for our hobbies and people who have money can do what they like and we can just look at them passing by with nice cars and yachts.
that is the sorrowful truth big boy.... we recently invested in a new engine for our boat ... we had to go under 10 hp because of these licenses... we don't use i much but my fathers adores trolling and i accompany him when i am not underwater....
licenses as they are going, is better to rig with 2 twin 9.9 and one them include it as an auxiliary.... we have to go by the laws... find these loop holes and go by them....
funnily enough i saw a 25hp motor for sale..... they changed the case to a 9.9... a 25 registered as a 9.9...
not paying it big boy probably they will send a court marshall and confiscate the amount in value....
mhemx xtghmel big ikolna nghoqodu phac cwic
@granitu you cant register one of the 9.9 as auxilairy. one of the motors has to be less than the other to be considered as auxilary. @spitec yes no more hobbies just work and work so thet you pay more income tax and the government gets more money
isma tafu jekk MFC hux ser ihallsu ukoll???
smajtu xi haga????
mfc batuli LM10 ghada listess
iva anke jien ircevejta illum!
23 euros anzi ejja tidher sena ohra bla panic. Issa naraw my friend il pajjiz ghaddej min daqsxejn zmien ta dlam imma l aghar haga meta tkun negattiv u taqta qalbek!
ghal min kien S u qaleb MFC ghadu bil panic ax irid ihallas t tnejn. ma nafx kif tista tgi irangata din s serqa tal awtoritajit
bit tkissir biss
Aw l-ahwa..... xi hadd aggorna ruhu jew fuq dan is suggett.????
Jien kont thajjart nixtri dinghi iehor ftit ikbar izda kont dawwart il-hsieb.
Illum cempilt il MMA u qaluli li min dawk it tariffi tal-budget ma sar xejn, u li ser jibqghu kif kienu? Veru jew le?
Qaluli li 20hp = 20LM yearly, 25-50hp=25lm yearly, 50-75hp = 35LM yearly.
Hekk huw jew le??
U haga ohra l-ahwa forsi xi hadd jaf. Jekk boat tkun diga registrat malta, tista terga tirregistrah barra min malta?
Fuq il-kbar ma nistax nighied izda taht in-9.9 hp hallast 34.94 ewros il-bierah ghall-hames snin.
sa fejn naf jien biex tirregistra barra irid ikollok lili xi hadd jigi minnek. il licenzja fuq 55 f dicembru hallast 85 euros u qalli li ha tghola ......
Tajba wkoll.Xi gvern serju dan.
Hadd ma jaf x'ser jigri bina!
issa ndunajt baghira u z zewg nahat :-X :-X :-X :(
Jien staqsejt l-MMA u qaluli li baqghu l-istess ghalissa l-licenzji. Tieghi per ezempju, 20H.P. ?46.59 (Lm 20)
U fis-site hemm il-hlas:-
2. For the annual renewal, or as otherwise indicated, of Registration of
any boat or ship, including pleasure boats:
(a) where the boat has no engine (exceeding 3.6 meters in length overall), every five years ?34.94 (Lm 15)
where the boat has an engine -
(b) not exceeding 10 HP., every five years ?34.94 (Lm 15)
(c) exceeding 10 HP. But not exceeding 25 HP. ?46.59 (Lm 20)
(d) exceeding 25 HP. But not exceeding 50 HP. ?58.23 (Lm 25)
(e) exceeding 50 HP. But not exceeding 75 HP. ?81.53 (Lm 35)
(f) exceeding 75 HP. Buy not exceeding 150 HP. ?104.82 (Lm 45)
(g) exceeding 150 HP. ?139.76 (Lm 60)
jien smajt li baqu l istess ghax ma ghaddietx mill parlament.se jirgri ghada ma nafx naf biss li tieghi kienet ha tigi tliet darbiet akar ghal erba tijiem tas sajf. Smajt li jekk tirregistra uk bhala ssr tiswa biss xi GBP 35 ghal hames snin. ma nafx x inhuma l kundizzjonijiet l ohra biss tista l MMA ma tistax izzommok ghax qalluli li ahna f eu.
>:(