I was using a single omer excalibur speargun and gave me lot of sedisfaction but now i wanted to try 2 bands on the spear!
what do you think guys 1 band u 2 bands?
Am I right in saying that you had trouble with?????????
iva ta kelli naqra problemi imma issa han nbiddel il manku bit trigger bkollox ghax ma kienx jiflah il load kollhu! issa naraw kif immoru e!
Fuq omer excalibur ma' nissuggerilkex li tghamel tnejn. Ma' jiflahx ghalijhom. Habib tieghi poggielu 20mm fuqu u beda' jinfetah l-handle minn wara, u jekk jinfetah facli jweggek. :-\
Kemm hu twil? Jekk hu 90 u trid iktar power kieku jien nhallih kif inhu u nixtri iehor 105 jew 115 u jkun jiflah ghall-lakstu ohxon wkoll.
Dik l-opinjoni tieghi...
il harpun tijaj 115 king ! issa ha namel manku ta omer iehor u suppost jiflahom sew tnejn issa naraw e imma thanks ta lopinjoni!
2 bands and thinner band diameters so that you get more power in penetration and less recoil. just my 2 cent
If you are going for 2 x 16 with a 6.5 mm shaft then its a good combination. The problem is that I don't think that the spear gun can handle 2 x 16 (not enough mass = recoil). When I tried that setup on my old excalibur it couldn't handle the power and I even noticed that the aluminum barrel bent when loaded with the 2 x 16.
I personally prefer single bands like 19/20 mm bands on a 6.5 shaft especially when hunting ex sargo's and blue runners in the shallows. Recently I have been considering the 2 x 16 setup which I will be changing in the next few weeks for when going deeper, hoping that I get that little extra distance in the shots.
Immersion handles are amazing...I have used the handle from a 75 challenger, adopted it to a 115 wooden barrel, 2x16mm and even 2 x 18mm...never had problems...I mean they are over engineered...recently I fell in love with the immersion concept handle...amazingly smooth!!!!
the are very good, but according to tests the best around are the demka handles.
Most of the imersion guns are produced in france and have to abide to the france regulations which are strict on spear-fishing safety. however spnotta i would check with the retailer about the maximum load they take. funnily enough i have an esclapez 90 with a defective trigger after abusing of it for many years
these handles are used on beuchaut guns and much of the guns use its technology. to the present the only firm that uses specific demka guns is spetton, a spanish company.
however personally i don't like the barrel of such guns which on the contrary are equipped with the best handles around...
speaking of omer excalibur 2000, does it have enough power to catch larger fish like grouper or aj? coz im about to buy it as my first gun and seeing this post made me rethink. i was thinking about an allrounder since im new to spearfishing. is 100cm a good choice?
There are differnt models for different type of fishing and fish. Not that you cant fish a nice fish with a light shooth but have to care about your staff to reduce to the minimum the losses. We catch groupers but have to say from every 5 you see, only one is your chance. So how many groupers we see when we do spearfishing??? sometimes it passes months before we see one but when there is the chance to shoot better to be prepared.
You mentioned the Excaliber. Thats a good gun but not for that kind of spearfishing, maybe fos those 1-2kg ajs you can bring them in range but thats a very light gun so cannot put strong setup. We prefare long shoots like for dentex, ajs to the limit of the shoot, groupers and barracudas. Normally I use my Beuchat Carbon Elite 105cm and we can do shoots to the limit. My setup is with 19mm or 21mm rubber. Also there is freediver whose made it with 2 bands 16mm. Perfect shoots
what would be the effect of using your setup (beuchat 105cm 21mm rubber) on smaller fish? can i use that gun for big and small fish altogether?
i have been playing with the conbination of 2 bands for ages they are more powerfull and the shot os faster too
Quote from: GoliathGrouper on April 14, 2009, 07:42:51 CET
what would be the effect of using your setup (beuchat 105cm 21mm rubber) on smaller fish? can i use that gun for big and small fish altogether?
sure one can do that. Normally our guns are with pure amber rubber 21mm. The 19mm is only just less with penetration compared with the 21mm.
The inportant thing is trying to shoot the fish and not the rocks when using the 21mm :) (joking) but still the original spear is very strong and even I in some situations shoot the 105 under the rocks and can say that never broke a rockwell spear. Oviassly after shooting direck in rock even some times 1mtr from the tip need to sharp it again.
thanks alot for the info guys
I also use double 16mm rubbers and found it excellent, both for the easy of loading, and also for precision, and power.
Jidependi kif u fejn tispara fuq hut zghir, dejjem trid toqod attent ,jien 90cm u 100cm inqiesom bhala all rounders , u huwa qies favorit ghalija. pero umbatt jekk qed tistad sargi u griebel taht il gebel , 60cm jew 75cm , u xi 55cm bil froxna, huma indispensabli mal ballun , pero aqleb al hrapen il qosra jekk ikun al xix il bqija dejjem dur bit twil fidek.
today just had a good confirmation when and why need 2 bands. Waiting to get the pics and will upload them ;) ;)
Quote from: EmicMalta on April 16, 2009, 16:53:28 CET
today just had a good confirmation when and why need 2 bands. Waiting to get the pics and will upload them ;) ;)
Yes Mario told me at work yesterday when you phoned him. Nice Job!!!
nice fish that is the advantage...
il harpoon lest u issa qijad bzweg bands imma adni ma nistax nidra it tir ghadni! issa naraw kif imorru! ;D
aww nies bombaa gie il harpoon ghandu tir ta vera :D sparajt fuq mullet ta 1.700kilos u hassartu! bull head shot! nahseb kien qijad xi 4m bod mil ponta tal virga! kuntent kif gie :D li jmiss accola issa :D
x tahsbu andi bicca sporasub Morena 50, tejd jiflah naqra modification?
ax l iktar li naqbad xi burqax il bqija jilhaq jdabbar
Fuq harpoon 50 ma nahsibx li huwa worth it li tarma jekk behsiba tuzah ghal kollox.
Nahseb lahjar tkabar lejn xi haga qrib il 100
fuq 50cm mandekx xtimodifikalu wisq , li tista tarmah bil froxna , u tuzah taht l gebel al xfarijiet antipaticci. kabar naqra siehbi imqarr tiibda b 75cm bi rukell.
ok thanks, mela issa al next year imma ax mank haqq noqod nistenna il process kollu habba l licenzja u kummidji. Hekk jew hekk issa al lampuki hehe
was reading this topic, might as well ask some questions here too?
i have a
1. beuchat mundial competition carbon elite 130 (yes i know it is very long but wasn't very experienced when i bought it) but overall it gave me great experiences.
2. Mares phantom 95. found it to be a great all rounder tough a bit heavy compared to a carbon fibre.
any mods you think i could use to increase performance and distance, i was thinking of replacing the front end of the beuchat, to an open one (forgot the technical term)
Daniel
open heads shoot different from closed heads, be sure to try one out
well for bands, the more the band power is fractioned between the distance, the longer the shot(keeping constant the thickness of the spear)
however 2 band speargun have a different recoil... until you get used to it.... the big advantage definately is that if you rig with 16mm you will achieve approximately a penetration attainable with a single 18mm... however this largely depends on the band material(brand)
try out tifferent options, experiment that's the way to go.. with the bigger gun i would go with a double 17.5, buig gun, aim big ;D ;D
hope to have been of some help in anyways.. im sure however that emic can be of more help in this :)
namaste
nicholas
Quote from: malliadan on February 27, 2010, 19:59:23 CET
was reading this topic, might as well ask some questions here too?
i have a
1. beuchat mundial competition carbon elite 130 (yes i know it is very long but wasn't very experienced when i bought it) but overall it gave me great experiences.
2. Mares phantom 95. found it to be a great all rounder tough a bit heavy compared to a carbon fibre.
any mods you think i could use to increase performance and distance, i was thinking of replacing the front end of the beuchat, to an open one (forgot the technical term)
Daniel
Regards the mundial personally I don t like it. I m fan of open head and this is my main problem. Even the handle is a bit big for my hand and that makes it heavy for horizontal movements. As a 130cm there is a Therance that works with it and his catches are some of the best in Malta. As I remember he had set it up with the original head, single rubber, with a spear 10cm longer then the original and a piece of neoprene in the front of the barrel to keep it possitive conpensating for that 10cm. If i m not wrong he says that the difference in the spear makes it more easy to aim and more accurite. If need more info we can phone him up and ask him regard his setup. For sure he will help us.
Regards the fantom, i think you r talking about the aluminium one. For a 95cm like that i would suggest some good 16mm single rubber and a 6mm spear for a good range of 4mtr.
Just on what I can say is try always to use same kind of guns. The setup does not make so much difference for d spearo in a way, yes its true that it will effect the penetration, speed and accuracy but when using same type of spearguns it helps in aiming, handle grip, harpoon balance and after all confidence with your mind about not to loose the fish. We have loads of spearguns, but once you stick with gun (with a good reputation and reviews and not only advertising) you must keep with it. I spent lots of money for nothing and this a reason i try to help as i can.
Granitu knows well cos even he tried lots of setups but one he bought a good speargun.
exactly emic... and don't play much with setups anymore.. no need :)
its really a personal process.. there's no best process
the phantom is plastic, i tried a few as well, i had viper , mares cyrano (pneumatic). till now these are the best i had.
i will try some other bands then
thanks
Daniel