hi guys, can someone tell me which is the best way to take breaths before diving?? :-\
There is lot of information on the internet. Apnea tables and all.
Personally I follow Marck Bardi suggestions...4-5 very long deep breaths, about 10 secs in...about 15 secs out. The first 3 or 4 inhales using diaphragm method (thus you inhale with the use of protruding out your tummy) and the last using both the diaphragm and rib cage.
I like this method because it reduces chances of black out and is relatively not wasteful, energetically that is.
Reference:
Bardi M.,(2003) Manuale di Pesca in Apnea, Conti Tipocolor, Calenzano (Firenze)
I use similar technique too. I take 3 long deep breaths 1:3 ratio before the dive.
I need to read this book. I asked simong for it, hope he finds it.
Sounds really interesting.
Did anyone read the other book by pellizzari???? so can you judge any differences in their metodology.
Quote from: baghira on April 19, 2009, 08:36:19 CET
I need to read this book. I asked simong for it, hope he finds it.
Sounds really interesting.
Did anyone read the other book by pellizzari???? so can you judge any differences in their metodology.
I can lend it to you if you want...i do not have the time to finish it off...but please return it!!!! :)
Do you guys kow if any books in english are around ?
If I recall well Umberto has copies in English...google search my friend...
:)
do you have the umberto one or the marco bardi??
Marco bardi i need, since my good friend has the pellizzari one already.
Ah that's great. Tought they were all in Italian :-\ ....... but thanks for refeering me to Google ;)
Quote from: baghira on April 19, 2009, 09:50:24 CET
do you have the umberto one or the marco bardi??
Marco bardi i need, since my good friend has the pellizzari one already.
Manco bardi : Bardi M.,(2003) Manuale di Pesca in Apnea, Conti Tipocolor, Calenzano (Firenze)
Quote from: Buddhagrass on April 19, 2009, 09:50:41 CET
Ah that's great. Tought they were all in Italian :-\ ....... but thanks for refeering me to Google ;)
pulling your leg :) but anyways the book, if I recall well is:
"manual of freediving" by umberto pellizzari
Quote from: SPNOTTA on April 19, 2009, 09:57:19 CET
Quote from: Buddhagrass on April 19, 2009, 09:50:41 CET
Ah that's great. Tought they were all in Italian :-\ ....... but thanks for refeering me to Google ;)
pulling your leg :) but anyways the book, if I recall well is:
"manual of freediving" by umberto pellizzari
Thanks buddy. I'll have a look for it.
I found it @ Amazon. Anyone who would be interested in buying this book here is the link http://www.amazon.co.uk/Manual-Freediving-Underwater-Single-Breath/dp/1928649270/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240128002&sr=1-1 ...... I'm buying it right now ;) Thanks Spnotta for leading me to it
It was google not me :)
I think u are referring to 'The manual for Freediving- Under water on a single breath' .. I still havent managed to finish it off but its definetily interesting. Obviously I think its different from the Marco bardi one which I m assuming focuses primarily on spearfishing, the umberto one core focus is free diving.
However there are still relevant topic such breathing techiniques, compensation, fining styles, ducking, exercises etc which might be relevant for spearfishing. Umberto followed the steps of Jacques Mayol who both were strong believers of pranayama yoga and the art of breathing and the manual dedicates a chapter on how to breath, breathing exercises for relaxation and techniques to enhance the elasticity of the ribcage.
But to my knowledge there is no mention on the ratio
Okies spnotta
If simong does not find it, I will ask you for it please.
I am one to thrust, when we meet you will know.
Just pm me for the pick up
Quote from: KA on April 19, 2009, 10:24:04 CET
But to my knowledge there is no mention on the ratio
Its just the way i am use to it ....... 3 deep breaths before each dive. 5 seconds in and 15 seconds out and like spnotta also said the last one using both the diaphragm and rib cage.
Quote from: SPNOTTA on April 19, 2009, 10:12:50 CET
It was google not me :)
pulling your leg :) but anyways the book, if I recall well is:
"manual of freediving" by umberto pellizzari
any other techniques that one might suggest?? ;)
Do you mean that you dive with the 3rd breath or with the 4th.
Thanks
I go down with the 4th ;)
in my opinion if you dive on the 3rd or 4th doesn't make a real difference. the most important is that you are relaxed; your heartbeat must not burn a lot of 02.
you need to make sure that your lungs are full of oxygen, and your bloodstream is oxygenated. the heart rate indicates whether the blood is oxygenated
if you are using a frenzel technique i found it good to fill with air the sinuses so that it makes equalization even easier.
then once you dive, if going below 10m, i would suggest to equalize the mask. this is very simple, just blow a little, very little out of your nose. this will prevent that blood cloths form in your eyes due to pressure
Quote from: Granitu on April 20, 2009, 17:12:08 CET
in my opinion if you dive on the 3rd or 4th doesn't make a real difference. the most important is that you are relaxed; your heartbeat must not burn a lot of 02.
you need to make sure that your lungs are full of oxygen, and your bloodstream is oxygenated. the heart rate indicates whether the blood is oxygenated
if you are using a frenzel technique i found it good to fill with air the sinuses so that it makes equalization even easier.
then once you dive, if going below 10m, i would suggest to equalize the mask. this is very simple, just blow a little, very little out of your nose. this will prevent that blood cloths form in your eyes due to pressure
agree 100%
Granitu, I totally agree with what you said but one have to keep in mind that there are dozens of techniques out there one can explore and adapt as his personal favourite. One might prefer diving on the 4th breath, one prefers on the 3rd .... at the end of the day it doesn't really make any difference as long as which ever technique your using is done correctly and always under the supervision of a buddy ;) ..... always dive safe.
The first training tip here is easy to prepare. You need one bed, a chronometer, peace and quiet. Place yourself on the bed and relax, breathe deep, but normal. After 5 minutes of breathing, take three deep breaths after another.
After the third inhale, make a powerful exhale emptying your lungs totally - a bit more if possible. immediately after emptying your lungs take a powerful (from your toes) inhale filling the lungs to approximate 98 %, and hold your breath. At this point, start the chronometer to measure the time that you can hold your breath. When your holding breath, different thoughts are spinning inside your mind, this is normal, do not think about the time or that you actually is holding your breath, try to think about things that normally makes you calm or everyday charms...
After some time the first inhale reflex accrue, but dont give up, continue to fight ! Almost all untrained persons can still hold their breath for equal amount of time just before the reflex accurse. When you reach the insufferable point and you have to take a breath, take a breath and stop the chronometer.
Take 2 or 3 fast and deep inhales, trying to find your way back to the calm and relaxed breathing you had just before holding it. Rest for about 3 minutes with deep and normal breathing before you repeat the exercise. Repeat the exercise 5 times ! You will notice an increase in time holding your breath every time.
Do this exercise every day. The best time is directly in the morning when you wake up. You should notice great increases in performance within a week !
This is a good tip for toes who whant to improve their breath holding!
For some reason I cannot get myself to do static apnea, I barely do 1.30min........In the sea its a different story, I tend to find myself more at peace. Hope tomorrows lesson will help out 8)
Ok markcam .... so cya tomorrow. Sorry I did not read this thread.
And by the way spearer, once I was reading your thread, I got the impression that I read it somewhere before, oki there it is Apnea mania. ;D I think that emic already mentioned it previously, and also posted a link.
Remember that everytime you write some text taken from a somewhere, you have to name that source at the end of your script.
thanks baghira i didn't now that!
I've got Pellizaris Manual of Freediving - underwater on a single breath, if anyone wants to borrow it sometime. I wouldn't mind doing some of the exercises in that book so it would be good to find someone who wanted to do some freediving training without the spearguns occassionally. I'll be there in a few weeks.
And I did the intermediate freediving course with Performance Freediving in Miami in 2006 and the manual I got from that is really good, loads of stuff in it, and the apnea tables are way better than the ones in pellizaris book. I'll lend that out too but you'll have to leave collateral I'm afraid - I'll hold onto your speargun until you return it!! ;D
I already have 2 guns pointed at me from spnotta and seahunter cause they gave me 2 books to read, pellizzari and bardi. I would not mind to have another gun loaded at me, but I better read these 2 first. :P
I am not pointing any guns...I told you...I am not gonna miss it much this year.
Jokling buddy.
Just to tell you that I am half way down that book. A bit more and you will have it back. It has some brilliant and very specific, and detailed info.
Thanks for lending it to me.