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Title: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: owenbullu on April 28, 2009, 21:40:08 CET
Nahseb li kulhadd sema li ha jkun hawn parti sostanzjali ta Malta li sa tkun protetta ghas sajd. Sew issa x tahsbu li kieku ssir xi zona li fiha jitrabbew il hut u sajieda dilettanti jkunu jistghu jmorru jiehdu siegha pjacir hemm. U inkunu nistaw naqbdu erba hutiet zbieh.

Nifhem li din l idea tinvolvi hafna xoghol u flus, pero fil fehma li tkun xi bicca xoghol tajba
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: MartinB on April 28, 2009, 21:58:29 CET
mhux ideja hazina kiku! pero suppost is-skop ta' marine reserve bhall dik li gejja bejn ras-raheb u rdum majjiesa hi biex il hut ikollhom post protteta biex ib-bid minghajr xkiel..u fejn ghamlu hekk barra min malta il hut regaw irpiljaw.Issa naraw x'jigri hawn...
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: owenbullu on April 28, 2009, 22:27:04 CET
Pero jekk kif smajt jien li mill gebla tal melh, sa cirkewwa kollu sa jkun protett ghandek zona gmiela hemm. daqs kemm hwan fejn tistad hawn Malta!! Jien qed nibza li nispiccaw bhal kaccaturi fejn iz zmien li inkunu nistaw nistadu hu meta ma jkun hawn xejn.

Jien nahseb li l awtoritajiet ma jafux li kulhadd ghandu bzonn il hobby tieghu ghax inkella tispicca leteralment tigennen. U dan qaluh esperti mhux jien
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: MartinB on April 28, 2009, 22:48:03 CET
Le sa issa ir-reserva gej minn ras ir-raheb cave sa rdum majjiesa u mhux ha tinkludi il blata tal melh...sa issa
http://www.mepa.org.mt/index.htm?press/pressreleases_2005/latestnews_MPA.htm&1
QuoteJien nahseb li l awtoritajiet ma jafux li kulhadd ghandu bzonn il hobby tieghu ghax inkella tispicca leteralment tigennen. U dan qaluh esperti mhux jien
Jafu siehbi...jinteressahomx il bicca tax-xoghol nahseb jien  ::)
Jien nahseb ukoll billi ikun hemm reserve f'post fejn ir-rabbu u ib-bidu il hut ma tkunx idea hazina kiku, basta ikun reserve ghall kullhadd u mhux is-soltu storja e.g lili u lilek ikellmuna u certu "nies" jaghmlu li irridu  ::)
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: owenbullu on April 28, 2009, 23:41:56 CET
Dik hi il problema habib....iz zghir dejjem jaqlahha...... jien iktar qed nara bhala VIP FISHING RESERVE din il bicca tax xoghol.....issa naraw iz zmien jtina parir
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: MartinB on April 28, 2009, 23:46:27 CET
Mhux hekk! naraw x'gej... ifhem jista ikun forsi ghandhom hsieb ihallu bicca ghall recreational fishing (catch & release) ukoll  :D fingers crossed!!  ;D
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: LapsiBoy on April 29, 2009, 00:53:16 CET
Ija issa aqbad accola ta 9kilos u itlaqa :P
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: MartinB on April 29, 2009, 01:23:51 CET
Quote from: LapsiBoy on April 29, 2009, 00:53:16 CET
Ija issa aqbad accola ta 9kilos u itlaqa :P
LOL  ;D heqq jekk tkun qieghed tistad f'post li trid taghmel catch & release titlaqa ikollok!
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: owenbullu on April 29, 2009, 01:52:27 CET
Ifhem lapsiboy personalment jien l istar li immur nistad sempliciment biex nistrih u niehu pjacir u mhux kemm niehu hut lejn id dar. Tifimnix hazin jekk intella acciola ta 9Kg ha nehodha pero minix sa inhabbel daqsekk rasi jekk ikolli nitlaqa anqas. L ahhar haga li hadt id dar kienu sicca u klamar biex spiccajt ma stajtx nikolhom  >:( ghax hrigthomn mill friza biex inadaffhom u insejthom barra u nitnu. Spiccajt ergajt wadabthom il bahar (lixka  ;) ;))
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPNOTTA on April 29, 2009, 15:23:23 CET
Quote from: MartinB on April 28, 2009, 22:48:03 CET
basta ikun reserve ghall kullhadd u mhux is-soltu storja e.g lili u lilek ikellmuna u certu "nies" jaghmlu li irridu  ::)


I am for MPA's but what I am afraid of is what MartinB stated above. :(
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: Arti2 on April 30, 2009, 12:43:54 CET
Jien wisq nibza li bicca bhal din isservi ghal xi hadd bhala vantagg. Min jabbuza mhux ha jiddejjaq imur jitfa xbieki f'zoni bhal dawn. U b'daqshekk tkun frixtlu tapit.
Din sieheb tal-kacca. Il-kacca suppost twaqqfet minhabba close season. Pero ghad fadal individwi li lesti jabbuzaw u l-aktar li qed jaqbdu gamiem.

Issa f'dawn is-suppost riservi jista jigri l-istess. Kieku ghamlu close season ghas-sajd bhal ma kien hawn ghajdut kienet tkun haga tajba. Pero fl-ahhar mill-ahhar xorta jibqa jkun hawn nies li lesti jabbuzaw u tkun biss paxxejt nies bhal dawn apparti li waqqaft lil min vera jhobb il-passatemp tieghu!
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: TaKinu on April 30, 2009, 13:06:19 CET
Kont qed nixtri u smajt li anke n-naha ta wied iz-zurrieq ser ikun prottet. Tassew dan?
Xi hadd jaf jghidli ukoll iz-zona protteta ta Filfla kemm hi kbira?
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: mellieha on April 30, 2009, 13:12:28 CET
Wied Iz Zurried hemm il bicca ta l-umel farrud protetta zgur
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPNOTTA on April 30, 2009, 13:21:55 CET
Quote from: mellieha on April 30, 2009, 13:12:28 CET
Wied Iz Zurried hemm il bicca ta l-umel farrud protetta zgur
you can find more detial here....

http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php?topic=733.0
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: TaKinu on May 01, 2009, 08:56:33 CET
Is-sena l-ohra kont naha ta' Filfla u giet patrol boat fuqi. Saqsini u kollox sew u ma qalli xejn. Bilkemm ma hadux interess x'kont qbadt.  Grali l-istess daqs xahar u nofs wara u min kienu b'mod arroganti beda jghidli biex nitlaq dak il-hin ghax jirmunkani il gewwa. Qalli "Mela twelidt ilbierah ma tafx li hawn illegali tistad".  Kont daqs 200 metru l'isfel minn filfla. Kull ma kelli rix u qasba. Nithawwad. Qatt ma rrid nikser l-ebda ligi. Jien nistrieh nfittex mhux trouble! Kont nisma li parit u konz ma filfla ma tistax titfa'.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPNOTTA on May 01, 2009, 14:06:27 CET
As far as I know, currently, terrestrial Filfla is protected, it's coastal area was protected too but the law has been uplifted and Filfla's coast is not protected any more. I stand to be corrected since when it comes to law there are many shades of grey.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: skip on May 01, 2009, 14:25:51 CET
You can always call the MMA or AFM Operations Center and confirm:

Tel: (+356) 2291 4130 (MMA)

Telephone: +356 2249 4202/4206/4207 (AFM)
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPNOTTA on May 01, 2009, 15:53:16 CET
or MEPA :)
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: skip on May 01, 2009, 19:25:19 CET
I highlighted those two organisations because technically MEPA have nothing to do with the sea.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPNOTTA on May 01, 2009, 19:28:45 CET
But MPA's are under MEPA :)
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: baghira on May 02, 2009, 00:01:03 CET
ma nafx jien............
Buqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq.........
gerfixni ha nifhem...................
Isma dawn tal patrol boat ikunu biss impjegati bazwija, iili mhux jafu il-ligi, izda xi darba jkun mar xi kaporal :-\, u qalilhom li hemm ma tistax taghmel hekk, U sakemm ma jmurx xi hadd iehor jghidlilhom kontra, dawn ma jkunux jafu x'qed jigri!! Tghid mhux ser jiehdu interess huma u joqghodu jaqraw kull regulation li tohrog.

U isma Arti.......... hallik mil closed season ta'' Tivvintax.................
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: robby017 on May 02, 2009, 01:00:48 CET
sa fejn naf jien... l-ebda persuna jew daghjsa ma tista tersaq anqas min mil min filfla, i.e. nobody may enter within 1 mile radius of filfla...
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPNOTTA on May 02, 2009, 08:26:30 CET
Quote from: robby017 on May 02, 2009, 01:00:48 CET
sa fejn naf jien... l-ebda persuna jew daghjsa ma tista tersaq anqas min mil min filfla, i.e. nobody may enter within 1 mile radius of filfla...

Yes it was 1nm radius off Filfa...as far as I know, that regulation has been uplifted.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: fisheye on May 02, 2009, 10:05:39 CET
This is what the wikipidja says about Filfla.

Filfla
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Filfla
?  Uninhabited Island  ?

Filfla on the horizon.

Location within Malta
Coordinates: 35?47′15″N 14?24′37″E / 35.7875?N 14.41028?E / 35.7875; 14.41028
Country  Malta
Area
- Total 0.06 km2 (0 sq mi)
Filfla is a small, barren, uninhabited islet 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) south of Malta, and is the most southerly point of the Maltese Archipelago. There is a small rocky islet next to Filfla, called Filfoletta.

The name is believed to come from filfel, the Arabic for a peppercorn.

Filfla has an area of just 6 hectares (15 acres) and is a crumbling flat-topped limestone plateau surrounded by 60 metre high cliffs. The only known permanent structure on it was a chapel built inside a cave in 1343, which was destroyed by an earthquake in 1856 that also sank part of the island. Until 1971 the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force used the island for target practice. It became a bird reserve in 1980. Three species of sea birds breed on the islet: the European Storm Petrel (c.5,000 pairs), Cory's Shearwater (c.200 pairs) and Yellow-legged Gull (c.130pairs). A type of wall lizard (Podarcis filfolensis ssp. filfolensis) and door snail (Lampedusa imitatrix gattoi) are endemic to Filfla. A large wild leek, growing up to 2 m high, also occurs.

The Filfla Natural Reserve Act, enacted in 1988, provided for further restrictions on access and use, including a prohibition on fishing within a nautical mile (1.9 km) around the island due to the possibility of encountering unexploded ordnance. Access to Filfla is only possible for educational or scientific purposes and visitors must get prior permission from the Ministry responsible for the environment.

On the Maltese coast opposite Filfla are the archeological sites of Hagar Qim and Mnajdra, the Hamrija Tower (one of 13 watchtowers that Martin de Redin built around the coast of Malta), and a memorial to Walter Norris Congreve, one of Malta's British governors-general, who was buried at sea in the channel between the island and Malta.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filfla)

However since 1990 boat fishing within 1 nautical mile off filfla was once again permitted (Gov Notice No 173 of 1990)

please also read this paragraph 4.4 site designation http://www.mepa.org.mt/environment/nature_protection/protected_areas/Natura2000_mapsanddoc/FilflaCard.pdf

maybe someone can give more light on what exactly means
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: TaKinu on May 02, 2009, 13:22:24 CET
Thanks for the interest.
Kieku l-awtoritajiet jkunu jafu kemm hawn min b'mod genwin jirrispetta l-ambjent, waqt li ma jixtieqx jaghmel hsara u jobdi l-ligi u kemm knowledge ghandna zgur nirbhu l-green flag. Nemmen li hawn min jaghmel hsara, imma fdal forum tinduna kemm hawn min jirrispetta l-ambjent u jobdi l-ligi anke jekk xi drabi l-istess ligi mhix cara.
Prosit & grazzi mill-gdid.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: baghira on May 02, 2009, 16:03:00 CET
Prosit Takinu.
My same opinion.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: gunner on May 03, 2009, 14:09:47 CET
but why filfla is protected? in the past years filfla isn't protected !!!
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: fish-noob on May 03, 2009, 20:06:48 CET
I read somewhere that fishing was probihited because of the risk of unexploded bombs, that are in the area. filfa itself is protected because of the many species of birds that inhibite the area. this is as far as i know.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: TaKinu on May 04, 2009, 16:49:03 CET
Dik hi r-raguni fish-noob. Jezisti dokumentarju intensiv sabih immens fuq Filfla.  Bil-malti. Tajjeb xi darba tarawh.  Hemm ghamlu hsara kbira l-Inglizi meta kienet tintuza target point waqt training militari! Iz-Zurrieq ghandu vittma Diver li halla hajtu waqt li kien qed jghodos fl-inhawi. Jidhirli ismu kien Reno. Kont ghadni tifel Qed nghid xi 25 sena ilu. Ghamlu hafna hsar ukoll sajjieda li kienu jistadu bil-bomba dak iz-zmien. Imma kien sajd popolari ma xi erba' sajjieda "kriminali".
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: ganni on May 04, 2009, 17:14:22 CET
min fejn gibtu dad dukumentarju habib?? ax jogbuni affarijiet hekk
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: ramio on May 04, 2009, 20:35:38 CET
Ganni, xandruh kemm il-darba fuq ix-xandir. Ma nafx jekk jezistix fuq video. L'iktar li tista taghmel jekk ma sibx xi hadd li kien irrecordjah, ikuntatja lil-xandir malta, u staqsi ghal-kopja.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: TaKinu on May 04, 2009, 22:28:07 CET
Produzzjoni ta' One TV. Iekk isaqsi ghandu mnejn isib kopja. Jekk jirnexxili nsiblek kopja navzak. Video kelli x'imkien.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: nemo on May 06, 2009, 17:27:28 CET
l bahar ta madwar kemuna huwa protett iwa jew le?
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: fabrizioviper on May 06, 2009, 17:32:38 CET
 sa fejn naf jien mhux protetta kemmuna nemo .
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: kris on May 06, 2009, 17:39:59 CET
iva man protett! kem l-art kif ukoll il bahar huma zoni protetti kem al flora kif ukoll al fauna. jigifieri kacca u sajd mumiex permessi...kif ukoll l-uzu tal harpoon!
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: nemo on May 06, 2009, 17:45:46 CET
Qaluli xi nies ohra wkoll li bahar huwa protett imma bil miktub ghadni ma sibtx
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: bigboy on May 06, 2009, 18:34:23 CET
sa fejn naf jien nista nkun zbaljat imma l ghawdxin jistadu hafna magemb kemmuna u jien gili stadt ukoll u hadd ma qalli xejn
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: sajjiedf2 on May 06, 2009, 19:04:13 CET
lilek bilfors hadd ma jejdlek xejn bigboy ax jibzu minnek loooool!
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: Granitu on May 06, 2009, 19:06:42 CET
iccekja sew kemmuna tghidx kemm ikalaw pariti l ghawdxin
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: bigboy on May 06, 2009, 19:07:49 CET
specjalment ghazel tal harira ghal kahli ;)
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: Granitu on May 06, 2009, 20:02:13 CET
mela ghalhekk l ahar li mort ma rajtx kahli, niftakar daqs 3 snin ilu fejn il hotel mizghud kahli, mort darba bid dghajsa bil forok u ma rajtx wahda
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: ganni on May 06, 2009, 20:59:56 CET
@ Kris

kemmuna mhix protetta habib, ghal kemmuna ta qed nghidu mhux filfla  :D

kemmuna tista tistad kullumkien barra bejn il hbula li hemm tal blue lagoon.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: bigboy on May 06, 2009, 21:17:07 CET
granitu xi darba nihdok post jien ghal kahli ma kemmuna ;) Hemm kahli ha**eja imma naqbdu erba ;)
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPITEC on May 06, 2009, 21:18:46 CET
Le kemmuna mhux protetta gieli konna namlu competitions hemm.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: baghira on May 06, 2009, 21:23:54 CET
Kemmuna mhix protetta zgur.
I checked last summer with the authorities in telephone conversation.
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: kris on May 06, 2009, 22:36:46 CET
zball tijaj mela l-ahwa skuzawni...kont tkellimt ma xi hadd xi zmin ielu u qalli hazien mela...

jekk ikollok il bigboy mijak l-anqas l-armata ma twaqqfek ax jamlu tahtom bil biza hahaj
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: nemo on May 07, 2009, 03:05:36 CET
noghqod fuqkhom mela thankyou guys
Title: Re: Zoni protetti u Zoni ghas Sajd
Post by: SPITEC on May 07, 2009, 12:31:52 CET
Mela kemm hu ikrah dan il-bigboy kris?!?  :D