Isimaw naqra! min isuq id dajjes jekk jogobkom ta tistaw 1. issuqu bil mod u 2. meta taraw il ballun bil bandira hamra bfaxx abjad, afsu il barra mhux taddu min fuqna! Hawn min isuq id dajjes u lanqas jaf xi tfisser dik il bandira! Zommu min ta lanqas 100m boghod ghax qatt ma tafhu min fejn jista jitla buaddas!! thanks
it is very good to start an argiument on this topic because lot of boat drivers does not now what it feels like coming up from the bottom of the sea and a boat is passing on your head. Important guys we don't dive in shores only we dive even open water so don't be sure that out there, aren't divers because we usauly don't dive inshores but most of the time we dive open water. thanks to every one take care pls because we need to enjoy the see as any one wants thanks again.
Mark ;)
@spearerr...jien nifmek imma tippuntax subajk lejn kulhadd siehbi..hafna minna kolla inzommu mar regoli,imma ghad hawn hafna nies li lanqas biss jafu xinuma regoli.Jien meta inkun qed insuq naqla ghajnejja inhares l hemm u lhawn u hafna drabi nara vera stressanti gurnata fuq il bahar..rasi ma nkunx niflaha ;)
alekk titfa l iskipper isuq hux :P
al min andu dajsa andu limitu sa kemm jista jidhol malart fejn ikun em inies jowmu idivers andom xi limitu kem jistu johorgu il barra ikun fejn ikun?
Jien qtajt qalbi nitkellem fuq dan is sugett u kultant nahseb ahjar towm bla ballun !!! Jien l ballun nihdu biex npoggi l affarijiet fih u biex jekk nigi milqut ghalinqas ma jejdux li kin tort tijej ghax l bicca l kbira hadd ma jaghti kasu , sakemm ma sibx xi GAHAN jigi idur mieghu biex jara xinhu jew xi qbadt !!!
Sa l gima l ohra stess delimara dajsa geja ghal fuqi nxejrila u nitbellah umbad kif waslet dawk it 30m boghod dawret u ghadit daqs 15mtrs boghod minni u la taw kas xhin kellimthom bil kwit u laqas xhin kellimthom hazin ghax jilghabu ma xibka kienu u jilghabu ma xibka baqaw !!!! tant ghada vicin li stajt nara in num ta daghjsa ..
Darbohra l istess qieghed nowm ma sihbi u nara daghjsa gejja lejna tkalla parit u min tant postijiet qabad vija u baqa gej ikalla bejni u bejn sihbi li konna mux iktar min 15mtr boghod min xulxin u ma kienx bizejed dar maghna u kompla jkala min bejnitna ghal fejn kin l ballun fost l hafna hars ikrah li taghna qisna ahna konna qedin naghmlu xi haga hazina!!!!!!!
Dawn huma biss 2 stejer ma 2 daghjes ta xlukajri!!!! ghax barra dawn ghandi hafna iktar grajjiet li laqawni ma nies hnizer u injoranti li kienu qedin isuqu jetskis u speed boats u iperikolaw hajti jew hajjet haddiehor!!!! U nahseb l istess ghandom shabi l ohra l ghaddasa
In nejka tafu x inhi li nies bhal dawn qatt ma jibilaw xi sikka u jhallu l qiegh warajhom ha jitalmu jifthu ghajnejhom fuq l bahar!!!!!
Il dawn in-nies ma tistawx tirraportawom??Imsomma naf li al xejn hawn malta ;)
guys seeing this post i had an idea to do- a very practical scare to these people.
if we could use a dummy acting as a diver and bottles full of blood, while someone in scuba , just imagine the scare and the lesson they would learn. one could just come up and say- you hit my buddy as*****
definitely it would need organization, but that will teach the bi**h
and gganto you are a policeman and they don't give a shit who you are at sea. not even if you hypothetically dive in uniform, they don't give a shit
l Dawn in nies tiprova tedukom trid u taghlimom specjalment meta jigu biex jihdu licenzja hemm bzonn jaghfsu iktar fuq da sugget !!!! erhila li hafna drabi ikun kollu ghalxejn ghax la bnidem ma jkunx midhla ta l ogett ma jifmekx hafna nies jimaginaw li meta jkun hemm ballun l ghadas ikun 5m biss l boghod minhu ma jimaginax li bnidem kapaci jinzel iktar min hekk!!!!
Isa camkev prova immagina jetski jew daghjsa ghadeja xkanata min mijak kif ser tehodlu in num !!!! dak l hin iktar ikun mohhok fej ser titfa rasek biex ma jolqtokx tqisx dawk li semmejt hawn fuq ghax dawk kinu bl mod immal bicca l kbira xkanati jaghdu !!!!!!
Quote from: Granitu on June 04, 2009, 00:06:01 CET
and gganto you are a policeman and they don't give a shit who you are at sea. not even if you hypothetically dive in uniform, they don't give a shit
Di x ghanda x taqsam granit ma li qedin nejdu????? jew ma tafx li irezenjajt
le ghadni granit nicajta qijed !!!!
Naqbel mijak bhal ma diga ghidt qabel Imma dawn in nies qabel jinataw licenzja iridu jigu malma sew u ghal bzon ghanka jerga isirilhom test kull tant zmien ghax l bahar vera sar ta periklu specjalment fis sajf mux ghal ghaddasa imma ghal kulhadd min sempliciment ghawima sa nies ohra li jkunu qedin isuqu dajes ohra
Kif qeghdin fis suggett lil ghawwiema min ghandu jurihom li fiz zoni fejn jidhlu u johorgu id dghajjes mandux isir ghawn?Qed nitkellem fuq il Gnejna fejn il parti minfejn jittellaw id dghajjes invasata bin nies tkun fis sajf.
Ghandek ragun moonwalker, ghal il-gnejna nahseb l-aktar slip misera li hawn fil gzejjer maltin.
Pero xejn ma hija dik il-problema komparata ma dan li qed isemmu shabi. L-anqas idea ma ghandkom xi thoss meta tisma dghajsa gejja fil-bahar fuqhekk. Specjalment meta tibda ixxejjer bhal mignun fil wicc, u qas biss jindunaw bik. Esperjenza tal-biza. Biex ma nkomplix inzid illi darba lili ghaddew kwazi minn fuqi bid dinghi b'kollox, ghax kelli id dinghi ankrat kemmuna, minn fejn is soltu jhobb jghaddi boat tal-comino cruises, biex jghidli "Tergax tipparkja hawn".
Dawn ma jaghtux kas li jaf joqtlu lil xi hadd, ghax jghidlek "Min tridu jarani" u jtik daqqa u jibqa sejjer.
L-anqas timmaginaw, x'jghaddilek min mohhok dak il-hin, u x'jista jigri, u allahares jieqaf ghax min jaf.............
Hemm bzonn naghmlu xi haga.
This summer I will abstain from diving the north side of the island unless there is rough seas. Not worth the risk, had to many near misses last year.
Does anyone see anyone making an effort to stress this issue ? Or else even worse, about the issue of how far out from land you can drive at certain speeds? I gave up!!
My opinion on this issue is balance and caution. No one can argue that the number of seacraft has greatly increased over the past years. With that comes increased boat activity close to our shores. On the other side of the spectrum, we have divers/spearos who practice their hobby in a responsible way. The dwindling number of fish/octopus close to shore (thanks to over fishing using long lines/nets/explosives) has forced the spearos to seek their catch in deeper waters, thus venturing out even further then they normally do. However, we have then the irrisponsible individuals from both sides, be it boat drivers and divers. I often see boats hardly skimming the surface at 40kts plus within the 100mtr zone from shore, and divers using a plastic 5ltr recipient as a marker (landa tal plastic bajda tal gallun). Moreover, the dark wetsuits divers wear often act to camouflage the diver in the sea, especially if the sea is a bit choppy. So, you could be cruising close to shore and encounter one of these recipients only to find a diver popping up and waving his harpoon at you. Balance and caution my friends....and a lot of education.
no it is true gaffer but i assure you you see very few of these divers but a lot of negligent boaters unfortunately
we have to do something for sure, it is the very least. if one comes nearby a driver, european rules state that one HAS TO STOP HIS BOAT IMMEDIATELY and either get away from the diver without the use of motor or wait for the diver to be at a safe distance but few apply this rule
on the contrary, an abandoned cima is avoided, if i would be in a dangerous situation and i aim with my harpoon loaded, a last resort would be to shoot near the propellor to foul it and frankly f*** of any damages i do. and if the range is enough(which would be since it is a last resort) it would work cause propellors kind of suck in nearby objects especially monofilaments and kevlar
my life is worth more than any damage
I know there are some people like you said that use a plastic 5ltr recipient as a marker. I was not talking for those becouse mostly they are young children who are at there first steps in spearfishing which never go more than a couple of mtrs far from shore !! Still I'm not justifiying there acts !!! and they or their parents should spend 10euro and buy a good marker .
I was talking for spearos that always use the right marker with a flag that its seen from more than 200mtr and still nobody cares
Granitu, I fully agree with your line of reasoning. I quite remember well that when I did the MMA boat licence course, I believe not enough enphasis was placed on the subject of safety at sea. It was more on the rule of the road (Sea) and avoiding collision then being aware of divers, safe distance, etc. Since human life is at stake here (the diver's) I would suggest that only one penalty is in force, and that is confiscation of the boat and loss of licence for the defaulter.
Well it is a good argument who to blame if the boat owner or the diver with a can. My opinion, i have a 30 ft sundeck boat siting down,
there is know way to see where iam going so i always drive standing up to aviod hitting somthing god forbid a person. How many boat owner drive standing up to see where he is going.( Laktar jekk ikollu lil tall malja sewda bhal ta ranieri) It will help alot the boat owner and the diver if the diver can come up with a float and 3 or 4ft pole than the flag witch it will be more visable than the 10 euro one.
the best visible buoys are he round ones which are visible from 500m lol unless you have good eyesight or with proper lenses if one has eyesight defects save for weather conditions that should be optimal
if one is not paying attention to the sea, you can have a 9m pole with flag he/she won't see you or worse see the pole but still pass by
jessijames2 what you think is a way of under-costing is purely done like that for a reason, if you do a small flag you automatically have to see the sea and maybe one spots the driver, a 2 metre pole with flag cam be visible from more distance and in choppy waters but it creates a lot of drag and unnecessary weight.
and bdw a good boat in my opinion has to have a clear visibility at the front, it is a must not only for divers but in particular for sea turtles which can do some real damage to a boat if hit at cruising speed .
the fun part is that their shell would endure the abuse, i know a guy who lost the outboard to a hit sea turtle and amazed he told me the turtle had no particular injury visible
I e mailed emi, to give this topic some air time on x'qala l-bahar.
Hope he answers.
http://www.tuttopescamare.com/subacquea/boe-segna-sub/boe-tonde/boa-fluo-bandiera-smontabile.html
A marker like this costs between 10-20eu it depends from where you buy it ;)
Ballun ta' dan it-tip jinxtara bejn 10-20 eu skond min ghand min tixtrih ;)
Jessiejames if you are saying that a marker like this is not visible you better make an apointment with an optician !! ;D ;D
Driving a boat is just like driving a car you cannot drive forward and keep looking at the pretty lady who's behind you ;) otherwise you know what will happen :'( :'(Same thing for the sea crafts you have to stay focused for what is in front of you!! Some times I sea boats directed to N and the captain looking S . For drivers like these even If we use a dinghy as a marker its usless ;) :)
Jessiejames jekk ma tarax dan nejdelk biex tiehu hsieb taghmel vista ta!!!! ;D ;D
Dajsa bhal karrozza saret halik min tal malja sewda!!! Meta tkun qed isuq mohhok fi triq trid toqod mux fuq dik l mara sabiha li hemm fil karozza ta warajk jew ta magenbek !!!!! ghax inkella taf x jigri :'( :'(. u listess fil bahar meta qieghed isuq trid toqghod attent x hemm quddimek hux ;) ghax gili tara dajes sejrin direzjoni N u l Kaptan ihares lejn S :)
ggantno 1 sorry li ma fimntx li riedt nejd. Il-problema mhux il vista habieb.Imma tried tghamila ta xi tabieb.
This was my e-mail to emi farrugia:
My intention for this e-mail is:
Due to the increasd boat traffic, it is getting really dangerous for us divers or spearos (I am both), to practice our beloved sport. The is no awareness from the authorities whatsoever regarding this issue, and many people are not aware of what the diver down flag means, or about the risks/danger they are putting others in. Many of us are nowadays venturing onto reefs not close to the land and this makes it much more dangerous. No to mention the different occasions where myself, and my buddies, were nearly run above by boats, people throwing trammel nets etc. Some are even curios when the see the red float and they come close by to inspect.!!!!!!!
I was asking myself if we can organise something in this regard, since that your programme is viewed by a large audience,and I am sure that will find others who are willing to help out if needed. A similair thing has been done by "le iene" in italy where they filmed from underneath the surface, boats passing at high velocity near a diver's float.This would create a good awareness.
Thanks emi.
Waiting for your reply.
This is the reply that I got today from emi farrugia:
Hi Silvio
About the safety of divers & use of marker buoys vis a vis boat traffic. I will try & include something on these lines on X' Qala l- Bahar.
Thanks for your interest
REGARDS
EMI
Quote from: jessijames 2 on June 05, 2009, 14:22:48 CET
ggantno 1 sorry li ma fimntx li riedt nejd. Il-problema mhux il vista habieb.Imma tried tghamila ta xi tabieb. Haga wahda nijdlek happy swieming ma dawk id double props.
Sorry I misunderstood !! :) I tought you was refering to one of those pretty women on the cataloges when you mentioned the black bikini ;) ;D
Proset baghira well done
good initiative baghira, thats the people i like best, that do something about it ;)
good initiative baghira well done xbin
Prosit Baghira