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Marine => Engines/Drives and Electronics => Topic started by: msell on June 17, 2009, 08:35:26 CET

Title: outboard problems
Post by: msell on June 17, 2009, 08:35:26 CET
I have a problem with my auxiliary outboard suzuki 5hp two stroke. It seems that when i start it it's ok, i take off the choke as soon as it starts. The problem is that when i switch it off and then try again it won't switch.I don't know whats the problem can someone help please?
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: skip on June 17, 2009, 09:41:42 CET
Sounds like a vapour lock problem once the engine is warm - check the vent screw on the fuel tank........you might want to get your carb serviced/cleaned as it could be the jets are slightly blocked.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 17, 2009, 10:52:43 CET
iccekja jekk hemmx missjatura fil hoss. jekk ghadek kemm tajtu z zejt ghat 2 stroke ibdel l spark plugs ghax probabli tkun tfajt ftit zejjed u jinharqu. jekk ssib li hemm missjatura fit tfaqqih tal plugs ibdilhom... dak ifisser li spiccat xi wahda minnhom. plugs jaghtu l problemi meta tipprova tistartja u probabilment din hi l problema habib

make sure that there is a common spark sound. if you just mixed the the 2 stroke oil change the plugs probably the problem is that you fouled them.

il carburatur ma jtikx trouble meta tistartja normalment. meta ssuq jaffetwak. qis ukoll li l impeller qed itella ilma sewwa xbin

the carb won't give you trouble when you start the engine. when you put the gear it does though. make sure the impeller is in good condition
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 12:17:57 CET
I have a Mariner 4hp Auxiliary Engine, It wasnt pulling in any water so i changed the impeller, It still didn't want to pull any water. So i took it to a guy who has a garage at ta xbiex near the black pearl and he cleaned out all the pipelines from salt.
Now its just spraying a small amount of water and that small amount that is coming out is quiete warm water...
Is there anything i can do because im starting to give up.
This is the model i have :
(http://www.postimage.org/PqURtGr.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 12:18:48 CET
I hope i find a solution because when i go a bit out from the shore i always like to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: msell on June 17, 2009, 12:28:21 CET
thanks granitu u skip issa nipprova
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: benri on June 17, 2009, 12:43:43 CET
It is normal for the water to be warm/hot LapsiBoy. Did you try leaving it for some time and see if the water flow increases. When you increase the throttle does the flow increase?
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 17, 2009, 12:44:06 CET
lapsi, skond kemm ha tuzah. dak il problema l ghandek m hemm xejn x taghmel hlief li tibdel l impeller u s sistema tieghu. pero tippretendix li l ilma ha jkun kiesah bhal ta inboard b pompa tajba. l outboards ikunu jridu ftit ilma shun biex jahdmu sewwa.

in my humble opinion depends on how much you will be using it. the only solution to increase the waterflow is to change the impeller system. don't pretend however that it will be like an inboard system. outboards need some heat to work properly. to important is that it does not over heat. that would be a problem. if the water is steaming, stop it in my opinion.

l mariner qatt ma uzajthom, jien nahdem b yamaha 8hp imma b 4hp mux ha taghmel ghalqa min hemm barra
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 12:51:17 CET
Limportanti li nasal jin granitu mhemx alfejn nigri...
benri, normaly its warm but now its a bit warmer, i tried but still the same amount come out....when i increase the throttle it comes out a bit more but not enough, there isnt a stream of water coming out just spray,
Granitu..is it possible for me to replace the internal water passages because i have a hunch that they are packed with salt..
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 17, 2009, 13:23:30 CET
jekk ma tlahalhux melh ghandek pero il melh kollox jgharraq lapsi. igifieri bk to square 1 ibdel ikollok. li tista tipprova hu li ssib xi virga rqiqa hafna tal bronz u tnaddaf bil mod. tal bronz ghax ikunu flessibli hafna. imbad ixelu fl ilma helu bis salt away u sapun tal platti u hallih idle, kultant tih ftit drive u reverse bla throttle imma ghax taghmel stragi

if you don't rinse away salt, change probably everything is decaying because of salt corrosion. try to find a slim brass and clean gently. brass for flexibility reasons. then switch on and clear in water mixed with saltaway and normal dishwashing detergent. use it on idle, foward and reverse with no throttle.


jekk ttih ftit uzu il mishun ta l ilma jghin hafna lapsi jekk hu qed itella ilma. inkella ibdel ma tmurx tinqabad fuq il bahar. imbad lahlah sewwa bis salt away u s sapun tal platti jghin hafna ukoll.

using it a little bit for a prolonged time helps.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 13:29:05 CET
Ijwa granitu kul darba li nuzah nistartjah blilma helu u jekk ma nuzahx nistartjah kultant, dan il mutur xtrajtu  minand bnidem u kien ghamel zmien wiqaf u nahseb amel paparata u ma lahalhux, issa niprova nilab naqa mijaw u inhalih naqa starjat uekk,
Jien nahseb jek inhalih bizejjed hin startjaj andu jibda itela naqa ilma ghax il melh jidisolvi mhux ekk??

Salt away min fejn inisib nixtri?
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: fish-noob on June 17, 2009, 17:56:29 CET

dont leave the engine running alot without exhausting water
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 18:06:16 CET
Thats exactly why im scared, that the engine will heat............
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 17, 2009, 18:23:05 CET
minn hdejn il garaxx taghna dak lapsi. aka hal tarxien. hu naf li jkollu almenu. isewwi l outboards dan

thallihx ma jtellax ilma lapsi, pero l outboards antiki mux l jtellaw hafna ilma.. l ilma ma jridx ikun jahraq li tismot idejk
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 18:36:10 CET
Le mhux daqsekk jahraq ikun, tisaportih....
Imma xorta ma nafx, tigini expensive hafna biex inbidilu il passagi?
Xbajt nonfoq flus dih dak ax tajtu service u bdiltlu il gaskets kolla u amiltlu kit tal kalburatur uekk..
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 17, 2009, 18:52:47 CET
il bahar expensive lapsi... mux irhisa fuq il yamaha gietni lapsi.

u mhux li l mekkaniks jithallsu bic cejca. infatti naghmel kollox jien
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Destination Sea on June 17, 2009, 19:10:47 CET
to Lapsi.. Check the impeller and that the air bleed hole is open and check passages reverse flush if possible  and thermostat.  power centre near montebello the car dealer has salt away

Msell.... when u switch it off does it start after some time. could it be that the stop switch is sticking thus preventing the engine from stating than when fiddleing around it get loose and than starts.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: camkev on June 17, 2009, 22:27:35 CET
Jien nahseb li meta jibqa gej ilma shun ax ikun fadallu il-melh fil-pipes.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 23:42:46 CET
Issa Nicekjah naqa, jekk filkas naqbad u nibdilu il passagi ghax impeller ghadni nibdlu u allura zgur mhux impeller.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 18, 2009, 07:31:34 CET
bdiltlu l impeller lapsi u ma ccekjalekx u naddaflek il passagi? aqtali l kurzita kemm hallastiu dak li tak s service... service ifisser li tiftah l outboard u zzarmah ghajdlu....

ma nafx ma nafx din malta ukoll.... darb ohra qabel tiehdu ara li int kuntent u qijed sewwa bih.... la m intix sodisfatt bih lapsi
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: fisheye on June 18, 2009, 10:06:07 CET
Sfortunatament ghal hafna hawn Malta service ifisser bdil ta zejt, impeller u spark plug u "40 ewro please" mentri fil-fatt service ghandu ikun hafna iktar min hekk. 
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: LapsiBoy on June 18, 2009, 13:18:28 CET
Le Granitu fil bidu kelli xi naqa problemi bil gas u hatu and xi hadd biex jara xkellu u qali kien qieghed jilijka mil gasket il kalburatur u bidili il gaskets.
Umbad gibtu u bdejt ninota li qighed itela ftit ilma u bidiltu limpeller jin u missieri, u xorta baqa fjak...
Umbad hatu and dak ta tax biex u startjah u beda hireg ftit ilma u skond hu kien ijad tajjeb imma veru hireg ftit....
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 18, 2009, 13:38:43 CET
aqbad bicca virga tal bronz mela jew imqar bicca wire irqiq u flesssibli u naddaf ftit.

tih l uzu ukol ghax s shana ddewweb l melh u tikklerja l passagi. jekk hemm xi problema ghandek tahdem hekk. dment li l ilma li jitla mux taqtir imma qisek ftaht vit ftit, anke jekk m hemmx pressa tajjeb ta

s salt away jghin hafna imbad imma mhux irhis lanqas
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: msell on June 20, 2009, 14:42:26 CET
illum bdiltlu l spark plugs u naddaftlu l karburatur imma ma jrid jaqbad b xejn dan l m...
Ma nafx x ha naqbad nammillu. Issa lanqas mhu jaqbad xejn dizastru.Ara veru xi kultant l affarajiet tal bahar biex jidghu jamluhom nahseb
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: camkev on June 20, 2009, 14:49:40 CET
Ghid lili siehbi!!Imma xinu jamillek?
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: reuben485 on June 20, 2009, 14:56:21 CET
To msell
Prova itfalu naqa easy start gol kolbulatur ha tara jekk hux problema fis sistema tal petrol.
jekk jistartja hmieg andek mal petrol.
jekk ma jistartjax ara jekk hux gej spark ax probabli xi haga fl electric system andek.
U meta jkollok dawk it tip ta hsarat jiswew hafna flus il parts.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: msell on June 20, 2009, 15:02:15 CET
qabel kien jistartja mal ewwel imma x hin nitfieh ma tqabbdu b xejn l ada jamel l istess. Issa bdiltlu l spark plugs u ma jrid jaqbad b xejn.easy start x ikun bhal wd40?u nisprenjalu f dik qisha l labra tal hadid li tahta hemm l bowl tal petrol
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Perla 165 on June 20, 2009, 15:39:34 CET
lapsi boy..  jien ezat ma nafx xinu jamilek il mutur u l kwantita ta ilma li qed itela..
izda nara 1 il mistra.. andu mutur antik ukol yamaha xi 5 hp illi ilma qas itela !!!( jew jek itela ftit !)  johrog steam qisu u ghadu jahdem .. ga ijli ninutah 2 staguni ( u jaqlawlu ix xol dal mutur ta ! lol ) imma sisa ma waqafx. min banda naqbel and min hatu il mutur dak ta hdejn il black pearl.. izda jek mintix tafdah jew ibdilu is sistema ta lilma jew inkella.... (1+1=?!?!) hehe. li kien tijej ma noqodx indeffes xi firdiferu jew ek ax habib tijej kien taqab pipe min gewwa u fottih izjed! kelu jibdel issitema kolla xorta.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Granitu on June 20, 2009, 16:18:25 CET
perla dik s sistema tal virga tal bronz bniedem mekkanik ta l outboards kien amilieli. int jekk ddahal virga qis li ma jkolliex ponot u truf jaqtaw
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: fabrizioviper on June 20, 2009, 16:35:05 CET
oqod attent lapsi boy ax jista jkun qed tinkwieta alxejn , jien kullmeta kelli mariner taht 10hp , ma jtellax ilma lhin kollu ax andom speci ta thermostat , l kbar storja ohra meta kelli 90 itajru sew l ilma. jekk trid dal mob ta ray mechanic ma ta l mariner 79461345, cempilu u ara x jejdlek , dan h attard ikun l fabrika.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Perla 165 on June 20, 2009, 18:56:19 CET
@ granitu. oki boss 10x m8 ;) talimt xi haga ohra ux :). @ msell, habib, icekja il magnito king... dak xhin jishon u titfih jaqta lispark u jkollok itih ic cans jiksah bix jerga jibat il current ( l-isparks). icekjalu dak ... qed nedlek ek ax ana magna antika JAP u ek qijad dik is sistema
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: reuben485 on June 20, 2009, 19:28:07 CET
Imsell
Probabli mhux gej spark. provalu lis spark billi taqlalu lis spart plugs u wahhalhom mal wire tahhom u missilhom isfel tahhom mal body tal magna u dawwar il magna. Oqod attent min fejn tmisshom ax ituk shock zghir. Jekk ma jibdewx jisparkjaw andek il hsara fil coil jew magnito.
L easy start mhux wd40. u trid tisprajjah fuq l intake tal magna (min fejn jixbed larja).
Probabli problema ta spark andek la meta jkun shun ma jistartjax.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: Destination Sea on June 20, 2009, 20:18:48 CET
jekk ha tipprova ghal spark use labra ta  linxir biex izzommhu  w usa earth tajjeb il boghod mill petrol etc.
Title: Re: outboard problems
Post by: blueskip on June 20, 2009, 21:07:05 CET
Quote from: LapsiBoy on June 17, 2009, 12:17:57 CET
I have a Mariner 4hp Auxiliary Engine, It wasnt pulling in any water so i changed the impeller, It still didn't want to pull any water. So i took it to a guy who has a garage at ta xbiex near the black pearl and he cleaned out all the pipelines from salt.
Now its just spraying a small amount of water and that small amount that is coming out is quiete warm water...
Is there anything i can do because im starting to give up.
This is the model i have :
(http://www.postimage.org/PqURtGr.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)
It sounds as if the water jacket is clogged with solidified salt, do you flush it through with fresh water after use? If you dont flush it, then your best action will be to get some "SaltX" solution from the chandlers, mix that with fresh water in a drum, & run the engine in it according to the instructions, (you will need to run it until the engine gets hot then stop, then run again when it cools down) after several cycles it will remove the salt from inside the water jacket & you will get full force from the "tell tale".
If you have problems getting SaltX in Malta, you can pour several bottles of vinegar into fresh water in a drum & run the engine in that until it clears, maybe not as effective as SaltX but a damn site cheaper!
blueskip