Hi everyone,
can anybody tell me exactly, direction and distance if possible, where are the cimi in the south, those near M Scala? Your help is appreciated.
i saw a few north of hurds bank and on hurds bank
Hemm xi cimi in naha tal free port u marsaxlokk li forsi mhux daqsekk il barra?
Dritt filfla ftit il barr hemm kemm trid - jekk ma qatawhomx.
Nies, did anyone see any Cimi outside St Pauls/Bugibba area (North East)? Or maybe even outside gozo(North)????
@ SteveGB---> i might go look for them sunday morning! Are you going to be out fishing next sunday?
Steve the area is full
thanks bigboy!
Robby might be going out for a few hours tom morning and will be in that area (out side gzejjer)...filcas we speak on VHF ta...will confirm tonight.......
bigboy how far off are the cimi from gzejjer?
around 4 miles
thanks bigboy............a bit far off for me.
what boat do you have ?
aw xi hadd qabad lampuki lum.
Kont barra minn filfla rajnihom kemm il-darba izda ma ridux. u ma ghadhomx zar ta kibru daqxejn. Kull ma qbadt 2 lampuki u 2 faffri u kavall.
Lanqas il fanfri ma riedu, jien armajtilhom xlief u sunara u bicca klamar u daqqa bicca kavall frisk, izda jduru tahtna fanfri u ma riedux lanqas.
Lampuki kelli dudu abjad u nwahhallu bicca strixxa klamar. fuq ir-rix l-iehor ma kellniex messa.
Iddispjacini ma hadtx il-kons mieghi ghax forsi kienet tmiss. Hemm hafna cimi ghadhom bla palm, trid taqbez il-filfla sew minn hiereg mis south.
Fkieren rajna 2, pixxispad, u rajna bhall speci ta shark zghir xi 2 metri, xhin wasalna mieghi niezel, kellu fin xi pied il fuq mill ilma.
Ghandkom xi rixa partikulari li hadmet ilum fuqhom lampuki?
Nsellmilkhom
Placebo qabad zgur hemm ritratt tal-qabda(prosit).
iva mort tajjeb qbadt 35 ...... lucky!
xejn specjali metalla zghira ta Strike Pro fuq naha u ohra Abu Garcia fuq naha ohra.
Prosit placebo!!!
was out yesterday up north, lots of activity round the first FAD, had 3 strikes on the first cima i went round but no hook ups, finally one got hooked but whilst bringing it in, in its acrobacy, it managed to unhook itself. >:( the b**** !!!
Later, whilst trolling in open water, hooked a nice tumbrell on a 9cm Ghost rapala X Rap that i was trolling some 250 feet away from the boat. (Finally some exitement)
Later met SteveGB as we both approached the same FAD out of channel between Comino and Gozo, and after a quick chat, continued to troll around the FAD, no strikes! Decide to check for fanfri, but all there were was circa 20 cervjol and a hanzir. Whilst i was about to start engine and untie myself from the FAD, i heard splashes behind me, i turned and so a huge shoal of lampuki coming towards me with around 20 at a time leaping out of the water, and they were not small, i'd say, 700g each easy. Tried spinning but no strikes, they seemed to be more interested in some poor bait fish.
After the spectacle was over, underneath the boat was full of lampuki, and i mean loads of them.:o Tried trolling the area for 30 - 45 min but no more action. Headed back at trolling speed towards land, but no further strikes. :-\
Finally decided to call it a day at around 11 am and sped in to land, had a good swim and dive then settled on the boat under the canopy eating freshly caught rizzi and hobz biz zejt with really great company..... Agh yes, thats the life......... :D
Did you see a lot of FADs up north? Where were they?
in the sea benri!!!!!! lol there isn't alot, but there's enuf to have some fun around.... most are low and black so keep a good look out...
Good one Robby017! The reason I'm asking is that I've heard that lots of FADs up north/northeast were cut off by the authorities last week.
maybe, but i don't think so..... nahseb iktar adu irejxu maghom huma...
Be carefull dont let the owner of the fads see you on his fads because they wont be happy. I know i wont
....especially when you tie your boat to them and make yourself at home!
Perhaps some of you guys who are into commercial fishing or have relatives that own commercial fishing boats can comment on this. Cimi that are located quite close to the coast say up to 10nm seem to have much smaller palms like just a branch and then the further you go out the bigger they get. Presumably this has been done to keep the fish offshore, and not make it easy for people to just rob your cimi.
However it would be great if we could arrange with different commercial fishermen to pay them a fee and use their cimi that are located within the first 10-20nm in various locations around Malta. A couple of lines in the south, some on the East Coast, some off Gnejna and some off Xlendi, Gozo.
Everyone knows there is a cost involved, but I also think that it might be beneficial for some commercial fishermen to lease out their cimi that are closer to shore to the recreational guys or to the forum. For example they would say you can use Cimi 1-35 on these co-ordinates against payment of a fee.
As the forum we could centralise this fee based on location.....at least the commercial fishermen will be recovering some of their costs. Whilst it's illegal we all see many people fishing on Cimi that don't belong to them, so perhaps like this some kind of midway could be reached.
I know some clubs lay their own......the other option is to arrange to have cimi lines layed for us on payment.
i bet how much is this possible! the idea is great but the few people left working lampuki will not let you ruin their stock as they want the lampuki settled to catch via nets.
others who does not work so regularly may lend us a place but they will ask for good money for sure!
laying FADs is not a joke it costs money and time.
I think its a good idea and worth discussing Skip. Commercial fisherman usually only use the far out Cimi where there is abundance of fish so I think that some of them might be interested to cooperate. Let us know.
@benri - I've been in the area today and can confirm that many Cimi are without Palms. Dont know if they were cur or maybe the palms were not installed yet.
Did not have much success with lampuki today. We had some action around one Cima and managed to land a small lampuka.
They leave them without palms till Santa maria so then they have less work to do when the season starts. Like this it is legal.
I would like to comment on what Skip said.
This year is my first year I am not operating cimi but I still consider myself part of the fishermen who utilise this technique.
Being from Mellieha we are allocated a spot in the East of the island that is (unforyunately for us) easily accessible from San Paul, Xemxija, Ghadira, and the rest of the east coast.
We use a double palm system on the propper fads. i.e. a group of 3 palms at the -3 phatoms and an other set of 3 palms either at -6 pkatoms or at the surface. We have not yet found the right mixture.
With this being said, the inner most fads are very spaced out and equiped with 2 palms at -3 phatoms.
For our mishap we have discovered that the best to catch lampuki is when they are still 'vergine' (i.e. no boat has gone round the fad.) The lampuki are in the spot waiting for you but as soon as you make one turn they change position either go deeper or go away from the fad. Sometimes one turn is enough to ruin that fad. Lampuki most often than not do not attck the bait but they still follow it. They are pulled out of the fad and when one gives gas to go to the next fad the lampuki lost the fad and bye bye fishing with the net.
I for one dislike the idea of someone renting the fads even if the one's near me. We know what we do, we change fads easily with total disrespect for the fisherman who has put loads of work and money in them.
Last year costings where Euro 4.50 of line per fad, stone's were free of charge, 2 swivels each .75 each, 3 to 4 hrs work per fad to prepare lines and the fad itself, and a tonn of obligations to people who let us use their palm trees. I can let all of you imagine the amount of diesel one spend to do all the laying etc. I am not adding the issue of the net and the amount of daily repair it requires as every fisherman has to buy and service his equipment.
I am sorry but this system will only work if the recreational fisherman stay only on those fads they paid for, but it is like saying to a person working at a candy store not to eat candy.
5/6 seasons ago we were unfortunate to be allocated a spot exactly before the San Paul committee. It was incredible all of them, all not even one stayed only on the one's he contibuted towards. It was a terrible season for us and we only managed because we worked night but this increases the risk for us. Its a pitty.
I am sure their are some people on this forum who fish on fads they have not asked permission for. Kindly respect the fisherman who puts effort into them. I am sure you would not like if one jeopardises your lively hood or your part time work.
Mellieha
I agree with mellieha 100%.
Guys you should organize between yourselves and get out a fee each to pay and haul some fads.
Use a black marker and make it very small, mark it with the gps so the commercial fisherman wont surround them with nets. Its quite expensive and time consuming to lay fads! Everyone would like to catch lampuki so everyone should lay some fads.
Im not telling you not to pass near a cima if you see it but not pass trough a whole row of them and turn round them. It's not fair.
@Mellieha - Sorry for asking a stupid question but I'm quite ignorant on this topic. What do you mean by
Quote from: mellieha on August 11, 2009, 12:18:58 CET
The lampuki are in the spot waiting for you but as soon as you make one turn they change position either go deeper or go away from the fad. Sometimes one turn is enough to ruin that fad.
Thanks for the info Mellieha. You raised an interesting point Lapsi where you said use a small marker to stop the commercial fishermen from surrounding them with nets!!! I guess what goes around comes around...and if one did put FADs down, some commercial fishermen would surely net them at night, and loads of recreational guys would use them.
I was just trying to find a happy median for everyone, seeing how amateurs will fish on Cimi no matter what...and the owner of the cimi cannot be in every place at once. Nowadays everyone and his brother goes out in some kind of boat to fish for Lampuki....I remember seeing a 12 foot boat around 25nm out fishing for lampuki. It was crazy.
Something in general to add is a comment I have seen highlighted before. Loads of people are interested in places, techniques and equipment but very few people disclose theirs. It is always the same 50 who contribute to the knowledge of the rest, the others just pump in info without giving in return.
I could have just written my disagreement to the idea but no I expained the fishing technique from this aspect.
Hope more share their techniques
@ benri.
there is a spot depending on the sun and current where the lampuki are present. it is difficult to explain and even seeing it do is difficult to understand.
This is the place where fisherman place their nets to catch them. IN Maltese known as dawra bil maghluq, i.e. surrounding the fad with the net. Whilst there is another form much simpler less productive know as dara fil miftuh, where one surronds fish in open water.
I remember going to Hurds Bank on a 30 foot boat for Lampuki and I wanted to fish near the anchored ships. Being the good skipper that I am! I radioed the vessel to ask for permission to run alongside and fish. Some said No with valid reasons like they were performing works on the side of the ship, some said yes with a surprised tone and a couple found it very amusing that I had asked for permission and whilst appreciating the request, pointed out that they had never come across another boat that had radioed for permission to approach.
I might add we had the crew out on the deck to watch, but FYI to all you are not allowed to approach close to an anchored vessel without permission...probably they don't say anything about the small boats but would be well within their right to report your registration number to the MMA. Given the distance from land, all boats out there should have a VHF and depending on what part of hurds bank you're under, vessels under 6m might even be breaking the law.
Cheers Mellieha - much appreciated and I totally agree to your comments that it's always the same few genuine people who contribute to the knowledge of the rest!
I don't expect everyone to be knowledgeable on each and every type of fishing but even if so one can still post his experiences so tha others can learn from their mistakes.
For me any my cousin to learn the technique associated with netting fads it took us loads of time around 3 seasons to master it well. And loads of lost fish. One has to factor surface wind, surface current, sun position or moon, the palm etc. Only experience can teach things as their is no totally right way as even the most experienced get it wrong sometimes.
Just imagine some pro's have nets as long as 400 phatoms to minimise risk and added to this they add rope to increase the circle's diameter. All this is done not to disturbe the fish as much as possible.
@Skip. I fully admire your action prior to trolling next to a big ship. Do you mind me asking if it was channel 12 that you called on .. and obviously the name of the ship i guess?
Thanks for your help.
ISSA KIEKU TIFTEMU U TWADBU NAQA CIMI INTKOM FORSI THALLU LIL SIDOM U MIN QAD IBATI JABBI L GEBEL JIEHU NAQA PJACIR. XI KULTANT TARA KULL DAGHJSA DAQSIEX MIN JAFF KEMM TISWA UMBAD BIEX MA JONFONQX 5 T RKIEKEL NYLOM JIGI JOQOD IDDUR GO RASEK . BILL WICC TOST KOLLU AWN MIN U NAQQA AMBAQRU, TEHILLU RIXXA MA CIMMA U JAQTA IC CIMA AX EHFEF. XTAHSBU ?????? KIEKU KULHADD IWADDAB IMQAR 3 CIMMI
Quote from: polidmar on August 11, 2009, 14:41:08 CET
@Skip. I fully admire your action prior to trolling next to a big ship. Do you mind me asking if it was channel 12 that you called on .. and obviously the name of the ship i guess?
Thanks for your help.
I called the vessel on Ch. 16 the hailing channel and then moved over straight away to a working channel. However 99% they would be monitoring channel 12 being anchored on Hurds Bank so worth calling them on Channel 12 first.
Basically I called them identifying myself and once established contact, informed them the direction from where I was approaching and the nature of my request.
I think we spoke about fads last year,we were thinking of laying our own fads as a forum!Remember skip?I think we should discuss it further and think about it for next year!By the way i have a couple of palm trees ;)
Guys as you know we are part time commercial fishermen but have never worked for lampuki, though i have friends of mine who lay fads and it comsumes alot of their prescious time to prepare all the gear and then to work on the cimi.
Respect should be done always as it is their money which they will earn to feed their families. As many thougbt that this year less boats will be laying fads then many of you are wrong!! As some might know the swordfish season will close on the 30th september and open back on the 30th of november so many of those who usually keep fishing for swordfish are now going to turn onto laying fads.
Grazza tal fhimt il punt tijaj BIG BOY . anke jekk ic cimmi ikunu bhal dawn tal bikri issib hafna nies irridu issibu kollox lest u ftit uma dawk li jajdu ha nitfa ftit cimmi u jkollhom fuq xiex jiehdu pjacir jekk ma jaqtowhomx iffimni......adhom ma jafux kemm trid tibla pirmli meta titnigez palma looll.. :D
Ejdilom naqa :P
Ahna dejjem irrispettajna lil dawk li jkunu qedin jahdmu al lampuki malteser. Bhal daz zmien inkunu al pixxispad ahna u hafna jafu li bic cimi daqxejn difficli tahdem al pixxispad. Pero qatt ma amilna hsara lil hadd (sakemm jkun fi zmienom mhux jigu jarmulek qabel l istagun). Kull meta waqajna ma cima dejjem qlajna l lett bil prudenza u fej kin hemm zbonn qtajna l lett tana biex ma namlux hsara lil haddihor.
kieku tkun taf bijom tista tirbot kaxxa mahhom ( ikollok naqa brim ) imma jekk issibhom go rasek naf kemm tibda thokk mohhok u tvexvex. Il punt u li awn skoss delletanti ima mux delletanti ta veru ax ma jriddux ibattu ,il lest sabih wisq. By d way prosit ta dan il forum keep it up boyz
I agree with Skip and I think that his idea is good, there is no harm in trying.
My family have been going out fishing for lampuki for the past 30 years or so using the standard technique. My suggestion if we had to apply a permit with the authorities in the name of the forum we will be happy to prepare the cimi ourselfves, our only problem is that with our boat is are unable to take the stones out however if any of you guys have a Skuna or a strong boat that can take stones out at sea with no problems we can put them down together. we know how to as we used to do it in the past. GPS co-ordinates will only be given out to people who contributes to the manufacturing, sponsering and laying down the cimi!
Infatti malteser issa gili hekk namlu. Niskandaljaw il kurrent u nkalaw skond il kurrent. Insibu cima u nidhlu bilmod maghha, nollu l kannizzata u l palma u norbtu xiekel mal lett li jku8n sejjer al qih. natu 50 qama kurlin u f nofsu namlu mazrella zejra halli jereq u l ewwel zewg brazzoli ma namlulomx voltiggi umbad inkalaw mal kurrent. B hekk jekk dak li jahdem il lampuki jkun irid jdawwar ma jsibx xkiel u jkun jista jdawwara bla problemi.
This is EAGLE1 EAGLE1 approaching the BIG SHIP. Can I turn around you please? LOL!
Actually it was aboard 'Never Say Die' my dads boat.....probably they would have less of a 'problem' with Eagle One being alot smaller!!
I always try and abide by the rules....getting frustrated when people like Malta VTS or Valletta VTS don't answer even though you're supposed to contact them. Last time we were out we had a large container ship that was going to cross our path and I thought let me call him and ask for his speed to estimate whether or not I needed to change course as he was coming from the right and I needed to pass astern of him. So we call him on Ch. 16, vessel in approx position xxx and of course got not answer!! lol
The problem with the forum for laying fads is that we come from different parts of the island. We can overcome this if we had to group into areas like the north, centre and south being: St Pauls, Msida and B,Bugia.
Regarding laying and transporting stones it can be done if the boats participating carry 2 stones each we will have more than enough. the Palms and rigging can be easily done by those who know and the others can participate so they will learn what it is all about.
all it takes is a bit of good will. Regarding permits we can apply as a forum like the amateur fishing clubs get their areas.
I agree with you shanook ;)
I agree to what you are saying but always remember to respect the other fad owners.
I know some will but I doubt of some also.
I think if we vwill have our own fads we will minimize the risk of people going on other peopls fads.
Just joking Skip :)
Having forum fads is a good idea but the other idea about "renting" professional fads should be given a try too. I dont know why professional fisherman wouldn't want to rent the first 20 or so fads since the bulk of the fish is ususlly from 20 fads outwards.
So if all have their fads what the need to lay them as a forum?
This is the point. You can apply on your own throw 10 -15 and you will have enough to enjoy.
Let me put this scenario lets imagine an other member is before you on the fads and see to them all, what will one do?
Will he turn back? or will he turn to fads he has not contributed towards?
This is the issue how to regulate the use of the fads.
@moonwalker don't generalise. Sometimes it is onlt the first couple of fads with fish and believe me.
The issue some pros might have is giving waypoints. How much people will continue even after the 20th fad?
Well if you dont rent them ppl will come on your Fads anyway so as we all know. If you rent them you get some of the expenses back. Laying fads is quite dangerous if you dont have experience, so you must be carefull to ask everyone to lay their own fads.
I personally may be more willing to pay say ?15 rent for 20 fads than lay my own.
Yes I appreciate that it is a very dangerous procedure.
But renting fads with other people only gives you a right to go to an area.
After giving it a tought it might simply be that some who want to rent or lay down fads only want so, to have an excuse to be out there were the other fads are. And utilise the work of others. (I am not addressing anyone) But worth giving it a tought.
Somethink legal now to consider. If I remember well (but I do not have this years rules) the waypoint of fads is subject to terms and conditions. One has to check what these are when we mention clubs.
oh dear, sorry but here i go again, what is cimi and fads, thanks.
Quote from: mike.d. on August 12, 2009, 13:15:36 CET
oh dear, sorry but here i go again, what is cimi and fads, thanks.
Mike this question has been asked several times before. Please everyone do use the forum search function. Click on Home and then top right hand side of the page enter your query and hit search.
FAD is the international name for (Cimi), Fish Aggregating Devices
mike we place the fads (cimi) as Lampuki (dolphin fish) stay near them. Its a floating device usually jabloo in bags and held in place by anchoring them with a stone slab. They also have a Palm or two attached about a metre deep. these are layed in a row about a quarter to half mile in between. the first one is usually about 7 miles offshore. the location is distributed by the fisheries dept.
wow tecnology is a wonderfull thing, no wonder i never catch much with a pole, thanks for info tony, it has explaned it, i think.
if u can manage a 7 mile pole than i presume u have a good chance of catching lampuki
Shanook, actually if he has a rod and reel some line and a spinner and wait till mid september im sure he can catch a couple from land
thanks for replies, think i will try the spinning, and put the 7 mile pole on hold, at least till i can get a superman outfit, ;D ;D ;D