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Marine => General => Topic started by: Shaftbomb on August 29, 2009, 17:36:17 CET

Title: MFB Registration
Post by: Shaftbomb on August 29, 2009, 17:36:17 CET
Do MFB registered boats require MMA license to be driven?
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: joe on August 29, 2009, 19:24:44 CET
for shure mfc you need the license and ones it is more then houndried i think you needid
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: busumark on August 30, 2009, 19:15:09 CET
for mfc you dont need the lisence because they dont give you mfc if you have more than 100 hp. mfb dont need the lisence
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Shaftbomb on August 30, 2009, 20:28:45 CET
So any size boat and any size engine as long as the boat is registered MFB does not the MMA lisence to drive it?
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: skip on August 30, 2009, 21:13:02 CET
Busu are you sure? Any vessel that has more than 100hp needs the MMA nautical license course done at MCAST. I seem to remember there being some fishermen doing this course, unless they have some kind of exception?
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: joe on August 30, 2009, 23:52:40 CET
 sory busumark you wrong my is mfc and they send me to do the lice
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: busumark on August 31, 2009, 07:23:03 CET
JOE but maybe you have inboards that are more than 100 hp. i forgot the inboards for mfc i think they can be more than 100hp. i think mfa and mfb dont need lisence but better check with fisheries
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: baghira on August 31, 2009, 10:52:39 CET
In October me and some others are going to apply at MCAST for the Basic Seamanship and safe boathandling. Cost is 130euro and is on a part time  8 days evening.
With this course we can then apply for the personal license to drive 100hp boats. (license for 10 years 23.29euro)

Whoever is interested just posts, or send me an sms.
It would be nice to do it alltogether.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: joe on August 31, 2009, 22:48:00 CET
sory for mfb and mfa i dont no you beter cheec fisheries
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: bigboy on August 31, 2009, 23:54:15 CET
as far as i know mfa and mfb do not need any licence. Ours has a 135hp engine and nor i (skipper) and neither the owner have a license. Although top speed is maybe 12knots lol
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Shaftbomb on September 04, 2009, 01:56:18 CET
Ok just to confirm - yesterday I went personally to talk to Teddy at MMA Gozo - YES YOU NEED AN MMA LICENSE TO DRIVE AN MFB BOAT - it is illegal to drive without a license no matter what engine power you have.
Another question here - does anybody know if there is any horsepower restrictions when registering a boat as MFC?  An can a boat with outboard be registered as MFC?
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: fishfinder on September 04, 2009, 07:58:43 CET
Shaftbomb MFC restricted the outboards up to 100hp.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Shaftbomb on September 04, 2009, 16:44:28 CET
This really doesn't make sense.  So what happens to those who have MFB already with engines of more than 100hp and don't sell the required amount of fish in three years, there MFB number is confiscated, and then what happens??  Given an S number?  It's really a big box of confusion only found and made in Malta.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: bigboy on September 04, 2009, 18:42:45 CET
Shaftbomb you will be given an mfc number if you do not reach the quota. To move back up to mfb you will need to pay lm 1000. No offese i agree with this!!! Mela aw miljhun dajsa bl MFB u tkun xi dajsa li dak li jkun juzahha biex jmur irejjex jew johrog mal familja :/
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: skip on September 04, 2009, 19:29:47 CET
I can't find any documentation anywhere that states that max hp for an MFC is 100hp and frankly it makes no sense at all. If MFC is supposed to be for recreational fishers then a 100hp is not correct and probably inherited from the PTF days and therefore easily challenged. I would like to see where it states you cannot be MFC with more than 100hp outboard. If anyone has any docs would be most interesting.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: busumark on September 04, 2009, 20:12:41 CET
the 100 hp for the mfc is true. i read it on a government website but i cant find it again
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Destination Sea on September 04, 2009, 20:18:31 CET
For MFC max is 99Hp for outboards. I would have gone for the 115hp.
regulations  regarding fishing vessels  legal notice 407 of 2004 L.S425.07 dated 14/09/2004 as per my documents.

http://docs.justice.gov.mt/lom/legislation/maltese/subLeg/425/07.PDF

http://docs.justice.gov.mt/lom/Legislation/English/SubLeg/425/07.PDF
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: skip on September 05, 2009, 19:43:21 CET
Had a look in there Ian and didn't find it.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Destination Sea on September 05, 2009, 19:45:06 CET
hi skip I copied it from the documents of MFC registraion I have. as stated is 99hp for combined outboards. and the link is as printed on the papers checked again.
i checked the site apparently it doesnt mention it. it seems that it was introduced somwhere in between.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Shaftbomb on September 05, 2009, 20:30:10 CET
Destination Sea - these are legal notices from 2004.  I dont know what you mean by "it seems it has been included somewhere in between"??????  Is there a later legal notice mentioning the limit of 100hp for MFC?  Can we possibly verify this 100%??
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: joe on September 05, 2009, 20:55:07 CET
Shaftbomb for mfc there is no limit of power
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: busumark on September 05, 2009, 21:26:06 CET
i always was given the impression that for MFC with outboards the maximun hp is 99. i also read it somewhere but i cant remember where. the best thing to do is that on Monday we phone to fisheries and tell us in which legal notice it is written
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: joe on September 06, 2009, 09:23:55 CET
sorry i do not no for outboards but for inboard no limite
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: shanook on September 06, 2009, 10:53:05 CET
Bigboy the MFB (and MFC situation) is only doing harm to the sea. Let me explain: if u are MFB u have to bring a certain amount of fish at Pixkerija or else u are downsized to MFC (which means u cannot sell fish). Now if u are MFB u make ur utmost to catch fish and the best way to do it is by Parit (it is cheaper to use and more productive). Now we all know the effects of Parit on the Maltese waters.
If they left it as it was (ptf) or else join the MFC and MFB into one category where one can sell fish (without having a quota to reach), But this new category u cannot use Parit and do exatly the opposite that is if u are in this category (MFB+MFC) u cannot take to Pixkerija OVER a certain amount of fish.
This way if u catch u can sell the extra fish and it wont effect the MFA who make a living out of selling fish.
this is a better solution to what we have now where those in MFB have to catch fish, thus depleting the sea.
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: skip on September 18, 2009, 18:50:32 CET
MFC - Max combined outboards 100hp (Confirmed by Fisheries)
Inboards don't seem to have a restriction.

No idea why outboards are restricted.

Also confirmed once and for all:

MFC and S are both classified as recreational/sports fishing vessels, that is that they can fish with a rod, rod and reel or hand line they may also set a bottom longline.

They cannot sell fish, set surface long-lines or nets
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: 148148 on September 18, 2009, 20:20:00 CET
What are the limits MFB can catch and sell
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Perla 165 on September 18, 2009, 21:34:40 CET
it depends on the boat size...
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: 148148 on September 18, 2009, 21:41:59 CET
The boat I have I must catch 500 Maltese per year to keep the license, but is there a maximum I can catch an sell
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: bigboy on September 18, 2009, 21:58:12 CET
Finally skip you confirmed something that many people told me it cannot be. I had checked with fisheries about an s registration. They had told me you can fish with all methods of mfc.

Bert nistaw inkalawwwww !!!!! :P
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Perla 165 on September 19, 2009, 15:10:41 CET
lol mela ejja ha wadbuwlu  ;) lool  :P   ha naraw xgej bro.  
Title: Re: MFB Registration
Post by: Perla 165 on September 19, 2009, 15:15:13 CET
@ 148148  i dont think theres a limit to catch... you have to confirmd with fisheries ;)