Hudu hsieb kemm spearfishers u kemm min ghandu dghajjes li jilhqu velocita qawwija - ftit nuqqas ta hsieb, traskuragni, ksuhat jew speed zejjed bl-ingenji u l-konsekwenzi jafu jkunu kbar u koroh wisq.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120807/local/snorkellor-died-of-propellor-injuries.431923
Kondoljanzi lil familja u l-min jaf dan ir-ragel. RIP.
Ftit gimghat ilu ghadni kif bghatt e-mail lil transport Malta nbiex jedukaw lis-sidien tad-dghajjes fir-rigward tal-ballun tal-ghaddasa, u bghattilhom ukoll stampa.....jibdew xi tip ta kampanja edukattiva...
Taf x'ghamlu,,, xejn lanqas biss irrispondewni ja qatta nies irresponsabbli li huma..
Dak li gara issa......u huma jixorbu l-cafe l-ufficcju, jew iduru xi dawra jippuppaw sidirhom bid-dinghi l-gdid.....
ghandkom ragun tghidu dan u kondoljanzi lill familjari..... Ma jien qed niggustifika xejn Imma.....TABBUZAWX BIL BALLUN.
1.Jekk tkun gej kontra ix xemx go bahar naqra imcafcaf hafna drabi jista jkun tard wisq biex tinduna bil ballun (specjalment certu mudelli ta blalen)
2. zewg weekends ilu kont ha nidhol minn bejn il gzejjer ta san pawl u kien hemm il ballun fuq naha tal gzejjer u l-ghaddas fuq in naha l-ohra tax xatt
Ma jien qed niggustifika u ninsinwa xejn imma kulhadd irid joqod attent u jevita il periklu.
Ha najdlek siehbi jien nkun hafna selmun u li kieku jaghtu citazjonijiet ghal over speeding bejn il gzejjer u selmun b garanzija li mhux tnejn jixtru dingies imma mija .ghax min kull ghaxar dajjes 8 jaddu over speeding.
u haga ohra li ma nistax nifem kif jikru jetskies lil istudenti u lanqas biss ikollom licenzja.
Il problema roderick hi li tad dajsa kull ma jista jehel huwa multa imma id diver ghandu hajtu u sahhtu ghal xiex jibza!
Kem najd xi haga mela nahseb li meta tad dghajjes jaraw ballun flok jitbedu minnu aktar jaddu qrib tijaw... manafx alix.... darba kont ed nodos u smajt li kinet gejja dajsa fil qrib fortunatament kin ad baqali n nifs u qatt nistenna taddi addit erba piedi mill ballun u edt ara naqra ja muqran u tlajt biex nara x dajsa kinet tafu x kien l ahwa ?? dinghy tal pulizija b 225 addej ziffa nahlef li kiku stajt tir kont intijom....
hawn sidien ta dajjes responsabli , imma hawn hafna izjed li huma hara , l aktar meta jkunu dahna bl inbid jarawh il ballun.
Quote from: roderick on August 08, 2012, 08:58:36 CET
Ha najdlek siehbi jien nkun hafna selmun u li kieku jaghtu citazjonijiet ghal over speeding bejn il gzejjer u selmun b garanzija li mhux tnejn jixtru dingies imma mija .ghax min kull ghaxar dajjes 8 jaddu over speeding.
u haga ohra li ma nistax nifem kif jikru jetskies lil istudenti u lanqas biss ikollom licenzja.
Money siehbi
Quote from: benri on August 08, 2012, 08:31:29 CET
2. zewg weekends ilu kont ha nidhol minn bejn il gzejjer ta san pawl u kien hemm il ballun fuq naha tal gzejjer u l-ghaddas fuq in naha l-ohra tax xatt
@Benri - naqbel mija fil-mija ma li qed tghid ghax anke jien kemm-il darba nsib xi cuc jghum u jghodos f'nofs il-fliegu bejn il-ponta tal-Mistra u l-Gzejjer ta' San Pawl. U anke l-Hdud inzertajthom meta hlief dghajjes hergin ma jkunx hemm. Imbaghad hafna biki wara meta jinqala xi incident.
Quote from: roderick on August 08, 2012, 08:58:36 CET
Ha najdlek siehbi jien nkun hafna selmun u li kieku jaghtu citazjonijiet ghal over speeding bejn il gzejjer u selmun b garanzija li mhux tnejn jixtru dingies imma mija .ghax min kull ghaxar dajjes 8 jaddu over speeding.
@Roderick - inti anke ragun ukoll mija fil-mija ghax veru li qed tghid. Izda min ghandu x'jitlef l-aktar - min qieghed jghum jew min qieghed fuq id-dghajsa? Tad-dghajsa jista' jehel ikla habs jew multa, izda min qieghed jghum jista' jitlef hajtu, li nahseb aktar hija importanti!!!
Jien ma mmurx nghodos (kemm kemm naf nifflowtja) imma allura ghax spearfisher ghandu hafna aktar x'jitlef ma jistax jmurx jghaddi siegha zmien bil kwiet? Dan kollu ghax ma jridux jew ma jistawx jikkontrollaw il-hafna qziez isuqu dghajjes veloci?
Ovvjament li l-bughaddas irid jiehu l-prekawzjonijiet kollha - Izda jekk ghandu l-affarijiet kollha sewwa (ballun skond il-ligi, hu qed jghum vicin il ballun etc) ghandu dritt ghal passatemp tieghu u d-dghajjes iridu jirrispetaw dan id-dritt - ghandekx ix-xemx f'wiccek jew il-bahar huwiex imcafcaf irrelevanti u mhux skuza jekk tolqot lil xi hadd - jekk ma intix qed tara sew trid issuq bil-mod hafna!!
Jekk allura taghtuni soluzzjoni mhux ahjar?
L-ahjar kieku taghmel sajf ma tinzilx bahar ghax kullimkien periklu. U min irid jaqbad huta fejn tirdu jmur gol-blat jew??
Ahna la jkollna ballun ma hemmx projbizzjonijiet fejn immorru hlief riservi u swimmers zones... Tad-dghajjes iridu jaqilghu xebgha tahrik u sikkatura rigwardanti overspeeding....
Wara kollox hekk ikollna naghmlu ta'' sajf tinqaleb gol-blat u tirringrazzja l-bambin malli jasal ottubru u jtellaw id-dghajjes....
ara ma tahsbux li m'ghadkomx ragun imma nahseb kieku kelli intikom soluzzjoni ta malajr tkun
1 uzaw l-ikbar ballun possibli,
2 tmmorrux fejn hemm hafna traffiku u passaggi (u qziez) ta dghajjes
3 u itolbu biex l-imgienen li hawn li ma nafx kif gabu il-licenzja tal bahar jikkonvertu!
Imbaghad m'hemmx x'taghmel izjed hlief dak li ghidt qabel, tad daghjsa multa jew habs jehel.... imma intom hajjitkom u sahhitkom!
jien darba dinghi tal pulizija adda minfuq il ballun u xhin tlajt armajt nofendieh rega dar u qalli li jien ma nistax nowm il barra u jien edlu biex qabel ma jitkellem ikun jaf xinhu jejd ax ma kienx jaf xinhu jejd ax jekk trid towm fuq reck bil fors trid tohrog il barra u sa fejn naf jien mem lebda ligi li tedlek ma tistax tods fuq reck bin nifs ir rapurtajt u xorta mamlu xejn ax gima wara ergajt rajtu adej rih minn l-istess post
Soluzzjoni tezisti. Fil-postijiet kollha fejn jingemghu id-dghajjes ghandu jkun hemm l-ghassa u anke fil-bajjiet fejn ikun hemm hafna nies. Is-swimmer zones tad-dahk. Ghaliex minn bajja enormi nofs tuzzana metri ghall-ghawwiema u l-bqija ghad-dghajjes? Id-dghajjes jistghu jankraw il-barra m'hemmx ghalfejn jidhlu sa gol blat! Kont Lapsi mimli tfal u kien il-hadd, tifel ta mhux iktar minn 15-il sena dahal isuq sppedboat b'250 b'kemm jimxi. M'hemmx swimmer zone immarkata allura deherlu li jista jibqa diehel bi speed sa gewwa. Kif tkellmu malajr tara gejja speed boat ohra ha jiehdu r-ragun.
U Benri fejn trid tmur biex ma ssibx min jitqazzez bid-dghajsa? Jekk issibli post nibda mmur hemm basta jistghu jinzlu t-tfal.
GHal min qal li trid taghmel ballun kbir ,jien ballun b bandiere fieha metru twila u gimgha ilu san giljan kont qed nozz u x hin tlajt min qieh rajt jetskie gej ghal fuqi li ma tellajtx il harpoon u puntajtu ghall go fieh ma kienx jieqaf.
Anzi dawk tal yellow fun ta porto maso suppost jafu li jkun hemm kemm divers u kemm snorklers u xorta johorgu ghal alla li halaqom,allura bi qziez.
Mbad ghanna is sajjieda li kif jaraw ballun flok jaddu l hemm aktar jigu vicin biex jaraw xghandek imdendell mal ballun.jekk mhux se jirrangaw il ligijiet kif ahna se nibqaw hbieb.
I doubt reckless boat drivers have are much aware or concerned for themselves, their passengers or the skier dangling behind.at high speed if they hit a mooring line, or piece of wood, net etc even they can get badly hurt on the boat.
On our roads, education,signs & posters made no difference with reckless drivers. The only results to be witnessed are in front of the islands speed cameras, where i can safely say without exageration that everyone obeys the speed limit.
Close by in italy, they have the barcavelox , the speed camera for boats. It is the best solution for everyone, as if you want to speed, simply go offshore till you are out of range of the camera & accellerate as much as you want. It also economically pressures boat renters to be more careful who they rent out boats & jetskis to.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scasiso/7735619016/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/scasiso/7735619016/)
http://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/notizie/cronaca/2011/11-luglio-2011/barcavelox-vigili-dell-unita-marenovita-arrivo-la-sicurezza-mare-1901064162252.shtml
sinjal ta konz mmarkat bil gps tmur alih ma tkunx adej bxi speed ma jkunx bahar zejt tasal mijaw u gili jhabtek biex tarah.. mhux bil fors tkun daqshekk safe ax bil ballun .meta taghzel il post fejn ha tghum ara li tkun safe meta tamel pjan li ha tmur tghum skond il gurnata nhar ta hadd tevita li tghum il barra tnaqas ic cans u tevita li tghum ma ponot u li kullhadd idur mijak
Jien mhux dilettant ta l ghadds imma nhobb nghum l aktar. immur nghum il qajjenza bizebbuga u l aktar haga li tbezzani huma d daghajjes. minhabba l problema ta freeport tnehhew xi mazzri u zdiedu d dghajjes l qajjenza tant li kullimkien mazzri fejn suppost tista tghum. allura hemm mhux swimming zone. ghax ftit iehor ma jkunx hemm fejn tghum. u jien allura biex nghum biss irrid ngorr ballun! ghax kull daghjsa li tigi lura mill gurnata divertiment li jkun ha sidha jidhol sparat qrib l-kosta. u ohra jien nghum irrid u mhux kemm ninzel nxarrab saqajja jekk ma nsibx xi habel mal blat li jista iwaqqak!
fejn nista ncempel please biex nistaqsi jistawx jorbtu dawn id dghajjes ghax darba qalu ha nnehulhom kollox minn hemm u baqa ma sar xejn.
Quote from: octo hunter on August 08, 2012, 17:12:42 CET
Ghaliex minn bajja enormi nofs tuzzana metri ghall-ghawwiema u l-bqija ghad-dghajjes?
@Octo hunter – hemm l-eccezzjonijiet ghalkemm nahseb fejn se nsemmi hija l-eccezzjoni f'Malta u Ghawdex kollu. Ejja sal-Barracudas, San Pawl il-Bahar, u tara swimming enormi biex kulma juzaw minnha hija parti z-zghira madwar il-pitch tal-waterpolol. Ghamlu ohra ferm izghar taht l-ghar tal-Vecca. Ftit hallewlna spazju fejn inzommu d-dghajjes u kulhadd go xulxin. U bil-wicc vili kollu ssib xi erba' ghawwiema jghumu barra s-swimming zone fl-uniku post fejn tista' titrakka dghajsa. Ghax lanqas fejn nitrakkaw sura ta' nies m'ghandna hlief ma' ponta kollha blat ippuntant. U biex tkompli tghaxxaqha imorru jixxemxulek fuqha wkoll halli lanqas tkun tista' tnizzel l-affarijiet minn fuq id-dghajsa jew tghabbi lil xi hadd. U dan meta ghandhom moll kbir bis-siment u lixx. L-ardita tirrenja f'dan il-pajjiz.
Swimming zones ma humiex hemm biex taghlaq in-nies gewwa fihom. Kulhadd ghandu dritt jghum fejn irid u barra min dawn is-swimming zones (imbarra xi postijiet fejn il-bahar mhux tajjeb, go marinas etc) u ghandu dritt li jkun protett minn dawn il-hafna keshin isuqu bl-addocc - ovvjament imbaghad tidhol is-sens komun - ma jistax ikun li toqghod tghum hdejn xi slipway u mbaghad tgerger ghax ser jolqtuk l-ingenji!
Izda l-ligi cara daqs il kristall - jekk qed isuq dghajsa eqreb min 200 metru lejn ix-xatt (jew 300 lejn ramla) ma tistax taqbez 10 knots - u dan il-maximum - jekk qed tara nies jghumu jew hemm hafna ingenji etc trid tnaqqas - din suppost jafha kull min qed isuq dghajsa. Mela kull min isuq b' velocita akbar (u hemm hafna u hafna min dawn) qed jikser il-ligi u aktar min hekk qed jipperikola il-hajja ta haddiehor. Hemm bzonn hafna u hafna aktar enforcement u pieni aktar horox.
Veru eccezzjoni ta ta' san pawl il bahar. Biex tghum go toqba mmur go swimming pool jonqos. Speed cameras fuq il bahar bomba kieku pero nippreferi kieku tad dghajjes jitghallmu jirrispettaw il ligi minghajr infurzar zejjed li jdejjaq il kulhadd. Biex immur ghal huta fix xitwa biss sirt ninzel ghalkemm anke hawn problema ghax hlief pariti ma ssibx. Soluzzjoni iebsa f dal pajjiz fejn kulhadd jaghmel li jrid.
Kondoljanzi al familja tijaw. Ma nafx x hinijiet kien qed jowm, pero is sikka ta zonqor hija wahda mil iktar traffikuza u dawk linhawi bhal dan iz zmien huma xi ftit iktar ta min jwarrabom. Mhux qed nati tord lil din il persuna, anzi la kienet bil ballun skond il ligi (anke dil ta l EU) kellu kull dritt li jowm. Jien nowm ukoll u nixtieq li kieku jkun hemm nies li jzommu il boghod mil float imma kawza mitlufa.
Meta nkun bid dajsa jien nowm b 2 floats tondi ax dawn l iktar li hawn jidru, u xorta f certu sitwazjonijiet difficli tarahhom tkun fuq dajsa. Nbad meta nmur mil art l unika haga li sibt tider hija il plancetta bil bandiera kbira. Xi ftit iktar ingombranti, pero tara id differenza.
Ftakru li ahna nkunu min taht, jigri x jigri
Naqbel mal-kumment ta Emic hawn fuq. Il-Bierah kont gej mid-direzzjoni tal-hofriet ghal port, u fuq-is sikka tal Munxar xi 300mtr il-barra mill kosta kien hemm wiehed jodos, bill-ballun bil-kemm jidher minhabba ic-cafciefa tal bahar!. jien nahlef li rajtu ghax dak il-hin kont qed insuq mill-flybridge. Nahseb li kieku kont isfel kien ikolli difficulta biex narah!. jien ghax familjari mas-sikka, u naf li dejjem ikun hemm l-ghaddasa, nuza l-prudenza u nsuq b -attenzjoni kbira. Imma minn mhux familjari?, ikun 300mtr il-barra minn max xatt (allura qed issegwi l-ligi) u ghaddej xi 30kts, u hemm ic-cafcifa?...x'ser jigri l-ahwa? - Dejjem qed nitkellem fuq is-sikka tal-munxar hawn OK, ghax din hija 800mtr l-barra mill kosta. Ghax bnadi ohra, iva, gieli nara speedboats ghaddejjin ghal alla tahhom mal-ghaddasa!.
dalghodu stess kont ghaddej mix-xghajra u qisu 50m il-barra kien emm wiehed jghodos minghajr ballun. kull ma kellu l-ahhar 5cm tal-pipe bil highlighter, imma fic-cafcifa bilkemm kien jidher
Quote from: rodfar on August 11, 2012, 10:09:59 CET
dalghodu stess kont ghaddej mix-xghajra u qisu 50m il-barra kien emm wiehed jghodos minghajr ballun. kull ma kellu l-ahhar 5cm tal-pipe bil highlighter, imma fic-cafcifa bilkemm kien jidher
nahseb ma tanc dam hemm barra ax wahdu johoda it talima