Hi,
I was thinking about buying a new sea brave 14', can anyone give me some personal views about this matter? Is it a good boat? I already have a 25hp 4 stroke outboard.
Thanks in advance
Chris
Tista tmur tixtrija bghajnejk maghluqa. Pero il mutur naqra zghir, kienu xi 40 ahjar.
Thanks a lot. Sorry i've sent you a private message by mistake. :)
very sea worthy boats. I have owned one of there boats for years and am very satisfied with it's performance
Thanks redhead. Actually i was a little bit confused whether to go for the fast fisher 14 or the sea brave 14.
Very promising boat
Plenty on the water, get in touch with the two builders and see if they can arrange you having a sea trial. Then see what matches up best with your requirements (budget, availability, customisation etc)
Both very capable boats
I own a Fastfisher 14 and have a 50HP on it. As Shanook commented, 25HP is far to small. My boat alone weighs 300kg and you have to take into consideration all fishing gear and equipment besides number of people on the boat. Don't know the weight of Seabrave but I think that using the 25HP is going to strain the engine a lot and also consumes more fuel. Just my thoughts.
u hit it on the head Malvizzu,
I own a Sea Brave 14 with a 50Hp Etec. Great boat for fishing, and definitely would not recommend a 25hp for it. With the 50 Hp the boat planes very easily with 5 persons on board (Or 50 alungi of 7 kg each :) ). The only problem with large engines on a 14 ft boat is when you are alone, most of the weight is at the back. You need to find the perfect setting of Motor Height / Tilt / Prop Dimensions and possibly also some Trim Tabs. It will also help a lot to distribute any weight mostly on the front. However when you have 2 persons with you, then it's a different story and the boat performs very well even with the worst configuration I started with. I am still continuing to improve on the boat, hopefully I will find the best fit.
As regards to the Jonnie of Kaptan, very helpful people.
I think that a 25 hp engine would be adequate if you normally fish one or two people and your fishing is relatively inshore - bottom fishing, trolling for kahli, kubtit, lizz etc, klamari. I was considering buying one a few years ago (I ended up getting a car instead) and Johnnie had actually suggested a 25 hp for that type of fishing.
However if you intend to be 3-4 persons or intend going further out (alungi, lampuki etc) I guess you would do well to follow the suggestions given above by people who own and have experience of such boats
I think it will be good I had one with a honda bf 20, 4 stroke W O T make 20 knots and my weight is 110 kg and 2 people and some fishing gear 17/16 knots @ W O T and with 4 pp the boat did not plane and maked 10/11 knots I had to make an upgrade to a 50 hp and the boat is overpower W O T 35 / 36 knots . the bast outboard for the boat is 30/40 hp but if you can grab a deal for a 50 hp will be good use 3/4 of the trotil like I do and with 4 "persons that the weight is aprx 60/70kg" on board the boat planes good.
Hi, have you take a look to the commander 450 by TRMC Boats ?. I went to try it out . IT WAS STUNNING .No slapping on water ,very dry Smooth to run as well . the boat accommodate 5 persons easily . When we tried it out , we were 3 on it , with 40hp evinrude and it plains as a bullet .
go and take a look on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/TRMCBOATS?ref=ts&fref=ts
Actually I'm a little bit worried whether to go fot the seabrave 14 or the commander.
Quote from: Chris1982 on November 02, 2013, 21:46:43 CET
Actually I'm a little bit worried whether to go fot the seabrave 14 or the commander.
Try them in some bad weater and then you can have a better idea
There is also Petecraft. Malvizzu has a petecraft 14 powered by Evinrude. He would be in a better position to comment on the seaworthiness of the boat.
in my opinion i would go for the commander .if you make them side to side . The shipside of the seabrave 14 lower than the commander . This means it's more safer on seas . even if you compare them for the width , the commander is wider ( 6ft10').
I don't know if you can see this video . But this person has got one ( a commander ) . if you can see the video , there s 3 persons on one side . the boat didn't go on side way .
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=640411025986699&set=p.640411025986699&type=2&theater
siri21 kindly identify yourself when critisizing and posting such comments. With your kind of reasoning, the higher the shipside the safer the boat, which is truly a false idea. The height of the boat has to be equivalent to the dimensions of the boat as in the case of the seabrave 14. The only spec which is effected by the height of the boat is, the tendency of the boat to rolling -(the higher the boat the more tendency to roll )
When it comes to safety, there can be no other comparison to the seabrave 14, being the only 14 foot boat foam filled with structural foam and more than 500 boats of 14feet built by the same manufacturer cannot be proven wrong. Boats of 20 years are still being sold at the price tag that were bought at the time.
For questioning and comparison on our boats, SEABRAVE BOATS would like to invite all customers and people involved in this thread to try the boat out preferably in more than force 5 so we can identify which boat handles such seas with ease and compare safety. Consider it as an open challenge to compare our model to any other model of same size.
Looking forward to see you for the challenge :)
Wow, well the proof is in the pudding as they say. I totally agree that one has to try out the boat in order determine if it meets ones needs and that is an inherent advantage to buying a locally built boat.
@Gaffer, any way you can organise this via Fish On as a well organised and impartial test of locally built 14 footers? It would be a fantastic opportunity for the builders to showcase their boats on the water, the engine dealers to do the same and for the end user customers to try them out.
I never saw a seabrave boat on maltapark yet.
But commander were lots.
History can speak by itself.
My Kaptan 18years old is low on sea, but we never has water in with force 4.
Try them out in bad weather and you'll guess which is your choice .... don't see the space but seaworthiness my friend.
I owned a Buccaneer 130 , but when i experienced the 18 year old kaptan, i sold the buccaneer only 2years old and bought the new kaptan ( seabrave)
Ive new experienced a petercraft can't tell about them.
It is very incorrect to say that the higher the safer....
I have a kaptan twin and in 2012 I got caught in Force 7 with gusts of 8-9, no joke, hava a look at this link: http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5318
Luckily I had and still have a 40hp, and when i got really close (or rather they got close to me) to some water spouts, I had to push the throttle down to full only to get 6kts... the kaptan proved itself on that day ;)
The technical term is freeboard which is the distance from teh waterline to the upper deck level. It does tend to be relative to the over design and dimensions of the boat.
The hull design of the TRMC and the Seabrave are very different with the TRMC having a stepped hull and an almost trimaran design on some models.
I too have looked at the Kaptan 14 at the time and the seabrave and thought the feeboard appears to be quite low, but I have always seen owners write of them being a very dry boat and safe in bad weather, which is a testament to their overall tried and proven design.
@ skip - If we about to speak in techincal matters, boat design is far more complex than just jotting down some lines on a board and then test them out as soon as the boat is out of the mold. When a good boat is designed, nowadays with the help of computer aided programs one can also calculate the exact volume displaced by the boat at a certain draft ( which is quite limited on a small craft )etc. All this leads to buoyancy and gravitational centers which are further calculated to derive the actual metacentre of the boat ( which is the most important term of the crafts stability _ due to the complexity of the terms i just related freeboard directly to the dimensions of the boat ). It is actually the metacentre of any craft that determines how stable it is and its tendency to rolling.
In Malta we tend to overcome all these specs and just speak our minds as if someone has not done his homeworks. On our behalf, we back up all our work by calculations and measures to ensure our boat designs do not just please the eye but handle as good as they look. it is this homework that gives us confidence to say that our boats are one of the safest boats in rougher seas.
Computer aided ?????? The sea brave EX kAPTAN is cloned from another brand from the company ELAN 401. The ex Kaptan Sea Brave model has been adapted from the ELAN 401 model with adjoining anjd changing different parts at the aft part during the mold process. The upper part is copied from Commander 13.6 including the railing and fittings. Answering those which stated that there are more commander 13.6 or 450 for sale on Maltapark, they either did not explain themselves well, since if you compare the Kaptan models found on Maltapark and the Commander models; the commander models are uploaded by the manufacturer to promote this model, and not to sell the boat to buy another boat from another local company, for various reasons about which include: example that they are low in water.
The Commander model, and also past models are all manually sketched as the initiary study to form a new model. As nowadays, technology is improving, we use the 3D CAD in order to design the model and present the client with a better image of future models. The named programme is ONLY used to design and NOT to change any proportions shown in the pictures as stated in the previous comments. Also, the model is made to scale in a fibreglass form according to its size and weight, in order to test the performance, stability, fuel efficiency planing development, and on loading and carrying items, which will affect the actual size model. So TESTING is very important prior to the actual development of the boat.
Also, the company has over 60 years of experience as this is inherited from my father Joseph Aquilina who was well known for his wooden work in boats around Malta. Models have evolved from the wooden era from the 1950's to the nowadays more efficient, less time consuming and economical fibreglass boats.
For all those liable members and customers await more surprises for another three models in our collection 2014/ 2015.
All talk which leads nowhere..this is better than that and that is better than this...one is copied (as stated only) the other is manually or cad sketched who cares....We care which boat is the best and there was a challenge launched. Has this been taken up
I know a lot of friends who had both boats and I know what their comments were and their complaints.
As skip said the prove of the cake is in the eating.
It would be interesting to see how these small boats would perform in rough weather
We accept your interesting suggestion whenever anyone willing to put his boat on test (Sea Brave 14) in rough weather. Truth will prove and speak up for its self. Maybe a video can later be uploaded on this saying 'challenge' for further discussion.
Who is in for this challenge?
I was only referring to commander 2nd hand boats not new ones.
When seeing a new model of about 2 yrs, being sold after 2/3 years (2nd hand) is frustrating, and not only commander, there are also marino etc..
Something wrong with the model is the first suspect, when one sells the boat only after 2 years half price.
By the way, marketing a new boat on maltapark (free advert) , shows lack of brandishing skills and marketing,
''Bhall meta jkollok ogett fuq zaqqek''
Maltapark is more for the individuals (mostly 2nd hand market) than for companies and brands.
hafna paroli fil vojt aww ahjar tofrulu jiprova id dajsa forsi jintriga pxi wahda mux mijn jiftahar liktar pha tfal ,
Meta jrid siehbi , jista jigi u jipprovaha . Jekk trid tikkuntatjana , cempel fuq 99828745 . Mario Aquilina Grazzi .
ekk ix xol isa cempilu u mur pruva Commander 13.6
u mur prva seabrave 14 u idecidi .iktar min ek xi trid eeeee.ihaluilek al sena lew lol
We have installed several MERCURY 30Hp 4 Stroke EFI engines on TRMC Commander 13.6 and the performance is simply impressive! As a competitor to us at MECCA MARINE, since we also import the new MARINO EGLE 400 and COMPASS 400GT, which are in a direct competition in this field, I still confirm that the Commander 13.6 is a great boat and the width, layout and high draft offers a very good combination in such a small boat. Space on board is important and TRMC have very well designed and developed this model.
Construction is solid and thorough. I am confident that it can surely perform well also in rough seas even when powered with smaller Mercury 25Hp 4 Stroke EFI although the 30Hp we do recommend for optimum performance. Just well done Mario @ TRMC.
Please explain yourself well on which boat you are complaining about.
@chris1982........ Meta taghazel ejdilna xi xtrajt. Ghax saret interesanti ghal punto di vista tal marketing... Jien naf lahjar wahda lima hi. Imma irrid nara kif wasalt ghal ghazla tieghek.
Jekk ma tridx tikteb ghawn ibatli SMS u dik tibqa privata bejnitna.
sorry my mistake, I posted in Maltese when thread was started in English.
@chris1982..... Can you let us know when you make your choice. It has become quite interesting from a marketing point of view. But I would like to know what influenced your choice. There is no need to post here you can SMS and I assure you that will be private between you and me ONLY.
To be honest I wouldn't really give too much weight to the opinions of the manufacturers themselves or the dealers which supply their boats with engines since these have obvious vested interests. On the other hand it is good that the manufacturers have such faith in their products.
I think that anybody interested in a 14 foot boat should see both these models, take note of what people who own or have owned these boats have to say, try them out and see for himself which is best or most suited for him.
Well said lazyfisherman the threaad started out as an opinion whereas with vague discussion it ended up as a personal affair between boat builders.. Everyone supports his work so on our behalf we decided not to post any more and let the client decide.. After all, insane discussion result nowhere..
Don't Argue With Idiots.
http://vitaminl.tv/video/885
Quote from: Seabrave Boats on November 08, 2013, 19:11:13 CET
Well said lazyfisherman the threaad started out as an opinion whereas with vague discussion it ended up as a personal affair between boat builders.. Everyone supports his work so on our behalf we decided not to post any more and let the client decide.. After all, insane discussion result nowhere..
Yes, in fact i didn't think that it was ending up so personal.
Another eye catching boat is Charlie Aquilina's 14.5 footer the boat builder in qajjenza.
True, but I've already made my decision after considering several aspects. Thanks for all of those who gave me their views.
And your decision was?????? Whatever you bought, hope she gives plenty of enjoyment, safety and good catches. Tight lines.
My decision was a Sea brave. I went to test one of these boats and its performance was stunning. This however does not mean that all the others are not good, but it was the best boat for my needs.
awguri man
good decision' enjoy.
Thanks a lot :). Hopefully it will be ready in the coming weeks. I would also like to thank Johnny and his son for their excellent service and great advises. Much appreciated.
good decision christ
All the best with your new boat and wish you loads of catches and enjoyable time :) Stay safe!
Mhux a jiddispjacik habib. Aftersales service ta Veru.
Ir RISQ
Finally ready, tested and used!!! Excellent boat with a very dry hull even in very choppy waters. It planes like hell and does also have a very stable ride.
A big thanks goes to all the seabrave team for all of their excellent services.
Jaf iltqajna Chris ghax inzilt Nara tas Sittax u kien hemm tieghek fuq in Naha ta barra mela.......