Hi guys, I'm in the process of buying my first boat and I'm a bit confused, maybe your insight may help me in making a good decision. I've been looking for a boat for the past year now. I believe that my shortlist has been narrowed to either a buccaneer 150 (15ft) or a petecraft 16 open. I've spoken to both manufactures throughout the past months.
The specifications of the boats list the petecraft to be 100kg lighter than the buccaneer. What is your take on this? Does this make the boat less seaworthy? Or you find that as an advantage? Being lighter I assume it would plane easier?
Any pros and cons on the different boats would be appreciated. I'm new to boating but on the other hand I don't want to rush. Also not sure yet whether to go for a new one or a second hand, altough to be honest I'have not come across any second hand petecraft 16 boats.
Thanks a lot for your assistance ;)
NOT going to go into which is best or whatever. On the sea if a boat is a bit on the heavy side it is better to hold the waves, so heavier means better on the sea. Regarding planning that comes mostly with the design of the hull, If it is well designed then it will plane better. A lighter boat of course doesnt need as much power to move than a heavy one. Seaworthiness again is a matter of design, to know if its seaworthy or not you have to take test drives in weather conditions that have some wave crests (about 4/5 knots wind should do). some boats are designed for speed that is they have a narrow beam,they are very good in speed but when stationery or at slower speeds, they roll like hell.
Pros and cons of new to used.....if you can afford it buy new, if not then have the engine checked by a mechanic and the hull for any cracks and osmosis by one of the boat manufacturers.
There are other manufacturers out there, I am not going to mention any since you didnt ask, but both locally and foreign imports are worth looking into.
I think since you mentioned those two, the best to answer you would be the owners of such boats.
good luck and happy boating.
I'm open to consider other boats, so feel free to mention. As I said I'm new to boating, I restricted my choice to those based on opinions, reading and some discussions with the manufacturers.
What other boats would you recommend to have a look at in that size range? 14-16ft?
Thanks again.
Quote from: shevino on April 29, 2014, 14:40:56 CET
I'm open to consider other boats, so feel free to mention. As I said I'm new to boating, I restricted my choice to those based on opinions, reading and some discussions with the manufacturers.
What other boats would you recommend to have a look at in that size range? 14-16ft?
Thanks again.
I just bought a Petecraft 16 - powered by a Yamaha 70HP outboard. For me, its the best of breed in all departments. But of course, that's my opinion. If you like, I shall be down on the boat tomorrow morning at Senglea Creek, I'm happy to discuss anything you need to know, and maybe go out for a spin. Then you can see for yourself, the meaning of seaworthiness.
hi Shelvino since you asked then I can suggest that you go have a look at the new boat that Seabrave boats (ex kaptan boats) of birzebbugia is constructing at the moment. Cant say anything about it as a boat has to be tried on the water but the lines are very promising. When its finished you can sea trail like all the others. Also I dont have an idea about the price but these can be easily cleared if you have a chat with Either Ganni or his son Johnston. The Old 16foot Kaptan was a marvel of a boat and all those who had them know how sea worthy that boat was.
There is also Ranieri boats that are very seaworthy, but a bit on the expensive side. Also they are not real fishing boats although Mecca said that Ranieri now have a new fishing boat, coming to Malta in a few weeks time.
Also there is the quicksilver walkaround, again being an imported boat it tends to be a bit more expensive to the local production. These boats are produced in USA.
So apart from the two mentioned, i suggest you have a look at these as well. Sorry if I left someone out but this is just my opinion. I dont have any commission or close relationship with any except friendship.
I hope that you pick up Joes invitation to have a look at his boat, as I am sure he did a good job of the way he rigged his, especially having one of the best, sexy looking TTops in the world. just to see that T top is worth going to Senglea creek.
Ps @Joe....ha tqazzez lil kullhadd bdak it T top man.......anki jien irrid nigi narah ghax fuq listampa mod imma tarah u tmissu bidejk minn jaf eh. Prosit. Nahesb jekk ikollna nibdew ninportawhom insiru sinjuri LOL.
Thanks for pointing that out shanook. Wasn't aware of this new 16ft boat, will definitely pop by to have a chat with them. On their website they advertise the seabrave 14 which I deem a bit small for my likes. Will definitely speak to them though in the coming days.
Unfortunately due to work commitments couldn't take up Joe's offer today but would definitely take it up if he's kind enough to offer me a second chance :)
Mecca do also have available a 16ft boat branded Olympic. Does somebody has experience with such boat please? Are they seaworthy? Unfortunately Mecca told me that it is not possible to have a sea trial on such boat >:(
Thanks again
Andre
Yep u are right shelvino, that Olympic also looks good with a front cabin, forgot to mention it. I hate it that you cannot do a sea trial, it's not very promising. The least that Mecca can do is try to get one of his clients to give you a sea trial.
I am more than sure that Joe will fix a different day to see his boat.
Give seabrave a call as I don't know what stage the 16" is at. So better make sure that at least you see something worthwhile. I saw the building of the mould.
Good luck
Found this on youtube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TzHznDBW1aY
seen this several times :) thanks though.
With all these choices around, I'm just wondering why hundreds of people (including me) opted for the Petecraft 16 Open. Ask yourself this question. Petecraft 16 Open owners will surely give you the answer.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on May 02, 2014, 07:25:43 CET
With all these choices around, I'm just wondering why hundreds of people (including me) opted for the Petecraft 16 Open. Ask yourself this question. Petecraft 16 Open owners will surely give you the answer.
It is by far not the cheapest of options, but Petecraft is truly a quality boat guys. The workmanship on this boat is impressive, and I think that it is the only Malta boat builder that exports boats from Malta.
so from what you guys are saying, a petecraft competes much better to a buccaneer 150? Am I correct in stating that? I've never experienced a petecraft although based on esthetics, layout and what you're saying my preference is leaning towards it. On the other hand I've been on a buccaneer 150 and I would say that it didn't fair badly.
Quote from: shevino on May 02, 2014, 10:57:10 CET
so from what you guys are saying, a petecraft competes much better to a buccaneer 150? Am I correct in stating that? I've never experienced a petecraft although based on esthetics, layout and what you're saying my preference is leaning towards it. On the other hand I've been on a buccaneer 150 and I would say that it didn't fair badly.
In my opinion - Petecraft to my belief have a nicer look than buccaneer but I believe there is a price difference between the boats. Sea wise both good boats with the Buccaneer heavier at sea.
Having said this, do not ignore Sea Brave boats - I was told that they really got it right with their new hull design.
In any case, I am sure you will purchase a very nice boat.
Agree with Granitu. In my opinion they are the best 3 local manufactured boats and aftersales.
What nearly everyone is telling you, is to look at (and I am putting them in alphabetical order so no preference):
..........Bucanner.........................Petecraft.......................Seabrave....
I also suggested the foreign make as (always in my opinion) a Ranieri is one of the best boats.
No matter what we might say, this is your boat.
1: Ask in general (which you have done)
2: look and listen to manufacturers (boat builders)
3: ask pertinent questions (like aftersales etc ) I assure you all three will back their product.
4: have a sea trial keeping in mind that the sea is not always calm. So try in calm and choppy water
5: make sure you have the final cost of boat as you want it, ask if there are extras.
6: ENJOY YOUR boat, have fun and dont abuse the sea.
A friend of mine always said how stable and safe his boat was, we always went out with both boats (different manufacturer) for alungi. We were going fishing for Lampuki so around september/october, it was a bit choppy force 4 to 5 and as we came out of birzebbugia port (it is always a bit more rough there), he turned round and went back in while I kept going. this does not prove anything, as I might be more daring in a choppy sea, or maybe I know my boat can take it. Whichever, the prove of the pudding is in the eating. So you better start tasting my friend.
The petecraft 16 open is a tried and tested boat. Its not the looks that count, but more importantly its how it handles in different sea conditions. There is no match to the Petecraft 16. If there was, i would have went for it.
My boat can do 28knots with the Yamaha 70hp. Imagine, 3 people on board, sea conditions choppy, wide open throttle, (28knts) and all of a sudden i pull the boat hard to starboard, and then again hard to port. No boat slipping, no leaning, no skimming or aqua planning, just turning....but best of all, not even one drop of water inside. Show me a 16 footer that can do that!
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!
I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!
And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.
If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters .... ;)
I would be very undecided about what to buy.....
I liked very much the style of the quicksilver activ 470 cruiser since that they managed to do a small cabin, and a nice sized deck for the size being. And everything is removable. A live well is easily done at the back. And there is little loss of space on the transom, since that the rear seats are backwards as much as possible. It does not need a large outboard to push...
I just saw them, and cannot compare to locals since that i did not go to see them. Maybe there is also a price gap....
i would like to know how it behaves in rough sea..... since that it does not have such a deep vee bottom.
It is very difficult for me since that my rib has the best vee bottom i have ever seen on a 16 footer..
Regarding the video here uploaded, i am sorry but it did not impress.
Regarding petecraft, i also think they have one of the best aestetics, along with some others..... i cannot comment about performance..
Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
... quicksilver activ 470 cruiser ... small cabin ... nice sized deck ... live well
Are you serious Silv ??? And of all the people you like a Quicksilver when you have one hell of a dinghy.
Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
It does not need a large outboard to push...
Maybe it's built of toilet paper that's why it's so light. No wonder prices are so low compared to local manufactured ones!!!
I agree with you shanook about what you said on Seabrave. The new design of the 16ft looks very promising and looking into detail you can easily see the difference between other brands of boats (material and performance). Seabrave (former Kaptan) have made new designs and their performance is outstanding! If you check on the new Seabrave 18ft launched last year on their site you can make your own decision.
BUT please, always check and TRY the boats for yourself, it is you in the end who's gonna pay!
Quote from: redhead on May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!
I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!
And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.
If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters .... ;)
If I may ask, what boat do you own now?
Quote from: redhead on May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!
I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!
And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.
If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters .... ;)
I stand by what i said. Still, it was very irrisponsible of you to put such words in the same sentence like quality, strength and durability while talking about Petecraft boats. Are you insinuating or even attributing your comments to Petecraft 16 open boats?
To answer everyones question, redhead owns a 15 year old kaptan sway 18 footer, modified to 20 feet, they took out the diesel engines and fitted in a 225HP outboard!.
This is what redhead wrote about his boat......
Hello my friends. I would like to add my 2 cent to this topic. I own a 15 year old Kaptan Sway which out of the factory was 18 feet long. This year we decided to rebuild this boat and all the work was carred out by the same manufacturer. The boat was modified to accomodate an outboard motor. We removed the 2 diesel inboards and placed a 225 e-tec at the back. The hull is now 20feet long including the new bracket which is practicaly part of the hull. Top speed is now 42knts and we can run indefinitly with speeds of over 30knts. The hull even at these speeds is rock solid and manuvrability is at it's best. It's true that the boat is old and it does not have the looks of a newer boat but I wouldn't change it for anything else in it's category. As far as fuel consumption we where pleasently surprised. The motor burns 40liters and hour at a speed of 30knts, 30lts and hour at a speed of 24knts and 4ltrs an hour at 6knts. We are very happy with the investment we made in this old lady which now can outperform most of it's more modern competitors. And if you want to know how a Kaptan Sway performes in force 3 winds than you can ask who ever owns or has owned one of these boats. And the good news is that now, the same boat builder is working on, and building a new 18ft model.
So his boat is second to none...the best of breed, rock solid.....
Of couse, redhead can say what he likes, its an open forum, but i cannot say that my petecraft is second to none.....
Now, a few months ago on this forum, we had a great example of responsibility by local boatmakers, shooting down each other on build quality and so forth. I do not recall, neither found evidence of, you Redhead, intervening here and telling the boat builders to exercise more caution especially because of newbees! I Wonder why?
Gaffer, you said no match, not second to none.
No match means it is above all others. It means this boat is way above the others.
Second to none means it is not inferior.
And yes we own the old lady. And after 3 years from the rebuild, I can confirm it was a great investment.
And no, I did not say that a Petercraft is a low quality boat (please point exactly where I said this). I owned one. But not being low quality does not mean being the best or no match to others.
And yes, saying that you can run WOT with any boat in high seas is irresponsible.
And no, I do not have any affiliation with any boat builder
And please cool down guys. Our boats are built for fishing and relaxing. We are not comparing HMS Hood to KMS Bismarck.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on May 04, 2014, 07:36:52 CET
Quote from: redhead on May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!
I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!
And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.
If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters .... ;)
I stand by what i said. Still, it was very irrisponsible of you to put such words in the same sentence like quality, strength and durability while talking about Petecraft boats. Are you insinuating or even attributing your comments to Petecraft 16 open boats?
To answer everyones question, redhead owns a 15 year old kaptan sway 18 footer, modified to 20 feet, they took out the diesel engines and fitted in a 225HP outboard!.
This is what redhead wrote about his boat......
Hello my friends. I would like to add my 2 cent to this topic. I own a 15 year old Kaptan Sway which out of the factory was 18 feet long. This year we decided to rebuild this boat and all the work was carred out by the same manufacturer. The boat was modified to accomodate an outboard motor. We removed the 2 diesel inboards and placed a 225 e-tec at the back. The hull is now 20feet long including the new bracket which is practicaly part of the hull. Top speed is now 42knts and we can run indefinitly with speeds of over 30knts. The hull even at these speeds is rock solid and manuvrability is at it's best. It's true that the boat is old and it does not have the looks of a newer boat but I wouldn't change it for anything else in it's category. As far as fuel consumption we where pleasently surprised. The motor burns 40liters and hour at a speed of 30knts, 30lts and hour at a speed of 24knts and 4ltrs an hour at 6knts. We are very happy with the investment we made in this old lady which now can outperform most of it's more modern competitors. And if you want to know how a Kaptan Sway performes in force 3 winds than you can ask who ever owns or has owned one of these boats. And the good news is that now, the same boat builder is working on, and building a new 18ft model.
So his boat is second to none...the best of breed, rock solid.....
Of couse, redhead can say what he likes, its an open forum, but i cannot say that my petecraft is second to none.....
Now, a few months ago on this forum, we had a great example of responsibility by local boatmakers, shooting down each other on build quality and so forth. I do not recall, neither found evidence of, you Redhead, intervening here and telling the boat builders to exercise more caution especially because of newbees! I Wonder why?
Definitely very good boats, but I think that the consumption is too high. My opinion
Quote from: redhead on May 04, 2014, 13:58:37 CET
Gaffer, you said no match, not second to none.
No match means it is above all others. It means this boat is way above the others.
Second to none means it is not inferior.
And yes we own the old lady. And after 3 years from the rebuild, I can confirm it was a great investment.
And no, I did not say that a Petercraft is a low quality boat (please point exactly where I said this). I owned one. But not being low quality does not mean being the best or no match to others.
And yes, saying that you can run WOT with any boat in high seas is irresponsible.
And no, I do not have any affiliation with any boat builder
And please cool down guys. Our boats are built for fishing and relaxing. We are not comparing HMS Hood to KMS Bismarck.
As i said, i stand by what i said. As a 16 footer, there is no match. That is my opinion, i do hope you will allow my that entitlement.
Please do point out where in all my posts did i mention high seas...i said choppy waters...look, read again...CHOPPY WATERS.....nothing compared to high seas......forsi tifhem bil Malti...imcafcaf
If there is anyone who should be doing the chilling...it is you mate...you and your condesending comments on responsibility!
Just so you don't miss out again....choppy waters is NOT high seas.
BTW - second to none means exactly that...it is the best or there is nothing better than it. Go look it up if you don't believe me.
Easy does it guys. We have over the years seen countless posts from very proud boat owners feeling they have the best boat, and that's great to read and smile. A boat good for me , might not be good for you, so follow Shanook's advice and go try them out.
Locally built boats have proud owners. Plenty of Kaptan owners have posted accordingly over the years, and same goes for the Petecraft and Bucaneer owners, Tar-Ratal etc.
Count yourselves very lucky that you have a great choice of both locally built and foreign boats, but do remember that the views of a member are subjective and his own. They contain passion and all associated emotions.
Do your research well, hear what others have to say, but above all go and meet with the builders, see what works for you and if possible, try them out.
Joe just for English sake. "No match" means it's the best, number 1....."second to none" means it can have an equal. Not exactly the same is it.
Having said that, yes one can express an opinion that whatever one has is the best in the world, it's a free country and all our opinions are subjective.
Thanks shanook for understanding exactly what I mean.
Gaffer there is obviosly nothing personal in what I have written. I just happen to have a different opinion from yours when it comes to boats. We can both live and go along with that. You are obviously entitled to have any opinion.
I will not go into the merit of what choppy waters means. But if it means force 1 to 2 seas than ANY 16footer mentioned in this topic can handle that comfortably. I just happen to fish more in the winter season when rarely we are blessed with good weather on these windy islands.
Personally,the boat I like best is the gravy boat!
Amen to that Max AMEN.........
@granitu...when you have a wider beam boat, it means more friction, when the boat is heavier it sits more in water so in both cases you need more power to move the boat, so more consumption of fuel. I think I indicated this in an above post in this thread.
Its a matter of what you want in a boat thats why a boat is subjective to ones needs. If you want to go to blue lagoon and spend a day on the boat, its better to have a wide beam, heavy boat so it wont roll about so much, apart from having a bit of more space. If you need to get to blue lagoon FAST then a narrow beam and a lighter boat will be the ideal. Its according to ones needs. If I want to troll with live bait a heavy, wide beam boat is better so it can go down to slower speeds like .75Knots, fishing for alungi well anarrow lighter boat will get me to 8 knots with less fuel consumption. So please GUYS we all know there isnt a boat that can satisfy every need in the world (especially a smaller 16').
Every boat is the best in the world for its owner, the important thing is for the owner to make his choice wisely before committing himself. know what you want and try to match the boat for your specific needs. Good luck to all new buyers.
Quote from: shanook on May 04, 2014, 18:17:42 CET
Amen to that Max AMEN.........
@granitu...when you have a wider beam boat, it means more friction, when the boat is heavier it sits more in water so in both cases you need more power to move the boat, so more consumption of fuel. I think I indicated this in an above post in this thread.
Its a matter of what you want in a boat thats why a boat is subjective to ones needs. If you want to go to blue lagoon and spend a day on the boat, its better to have a wide beam, heavy boat so it wont roll about so much, apart from having a bit of more space. If you need to get to blue lagoon FAST then a narrow beam and a lighter boat will be the ideal. Its according to ones needs. If I want to troll with live bait a heavy, wide beam boat is better so it can go down to slower speeds like .75Knots, fishing for alungi well anarrow lighter boat will get me to 8 knots with less fuel consumption. So please GUYS we all know there isnt a boat that can satisfy every need in the world (especially a smaller 16').
Every boat is the best in the world for its owner, the important thing is for the owner to make his choice wisely before committing himself. know what you want and try to match the boat for your specific needs. Good luck to all new buyers.
I do know that shanook. But one needs to compromise as we do not use a boat for trolling for alungi only or go to blue lagoon. Indeed, this is a personal opinion and I do agree that the kaptan sways are very strong boats and handle rough seas easily... and in my opinion better than petecrafts.
Having said this, I still believe that in today's and future boating fuel consumption is a determining factor to consider when buying a boat as fuel costs just keep rising every year. Im sure that it is still a great boat though!
If I could, it would have been a Grady White, but i couldn't. So i settled for a Petecraft.
Shanook: just for english and the meaning of second to none. The phrase is derived from a old shakespear times. Second to none means exactly that, that it is second to no one, nobody, nothing...so, it is 1st. You can only have one 1st. Check all the online dictionaries, they all provide the same explaination.
http://t.answers.com/answers/#!/entry/what-is-the-meaning-of-second-to-none,4ff3262a7af68a84dce35445/1
However, you are entitled to your opinion...for all its worth ;)
Quote from: malvizzu on May 03, 2014, 19:04:28 CET
Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
... quicksilver activ 470 cruiser ... small cabin ... nice sized deck ... live well
Are you serious Silv ??? And of all the people you like a Quicksilver when you have one hell of a dinghy.
Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
It does not need a large outboard to push...
Maybe it's built of toilet paper that's why it's so light. No wonder prices are so low compared to local manufactured ones!!!
Yes malvizz.. i went to have a look at them and they really look nice (the model I mentioned for my particular needs).... But I did not go to local manufacturers to see if they manufacture a similair boat...
But are you talking form personal experience as regards these boats or what?? cause I would like to know how they behave at sea.....
as regards the price, I do not know why you are imagining such a low price, cause they are not I believe compared to locals........
And how can you say made of toilet paper? Isn't it an american boat?
Whatever
Quote from: baghira on May 04, 2014, 20:22:26 CET
Quote from: malvizzu on May 03, 2014, 19:04:28 CET
Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
... quicksilver activ 470 cruiser ... small cabin ... nice sized deck ... live well
Are you serious Silv ??? And of all the people you like a Quicksilver when you have one hell of a dinghy.
Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
It does not need a large outboard to push...
Maybe it's built of toilet paper that's why it's so light. No wonder prices are so low compared to local manufactured ones!!!
Yes malvizz.. i went to have a look at them and they really look nice (the model I mentioned for my particular needs).... But I did not go to local manufacturers to see if they manufacture a similair boat...
But and you talking form personal experience as regards these boats or what?? cause I would like to know how they behave at sea.....
as regards the price, I do not know why you are imagining such a low price, cause they are not I believe compared to locals........
And how can you say made of toilet paper? Isn't it an american boat?
Quicksilver are an american product and yes, they do have a thinner fibreglass, as americans do not use the conventional fibreglass process but add woven roving fibreglass. this fibreglass manages to achieve the same strenght at thinner diameters and lighter material.
There are also obvious cost advantages as the amount of resin used is lower.
Emm Granitu.....what do we use a boat for......I thought it was for pleasure or sports fishing.......is there any other use for a boat??????? I gave examples of both sports fishing and leisure what did I miss out?????
Quote from: shanook on May 04, 2014, 20:58:28 CET
Emm Granitu.....what do we use a boat for......I thought it was for pleasure or sports fishing.......is there any other use for a boat??????? I gave examples of both sports fishing and leisure what did I miss out?????
Yes got your point and I agree. What I meant is that we need all rounder boats but you cannot have everything.
Thank you Granitu for your explanation.
@Baghira - have you never searched the internet for the boat packages provided on these boats? A Quicksilver Active 430 powered by a 25HP or the Active 470 powered by a 50HP ???
I have tested a Petecraft 16 Open powered by a 50HP. The engine certainly moves the boat, even with a 6HP but at what cost? At least you need a 70 or 75HP to have fuel economy. So to have smaller engines on bigger boats something have to give way. And that's certainly in the fiber manufacture.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on May 04, 2014, 20:08:46 CET
However, you are entitled to your opinion...for all its worth ;)
I am assuming you dont know the implication of what you wrote..........at least I am hoping that you dont?
Malvizz....
Quicksilver 470 cruiser + trailer = 10999
How does the same size (16 foot) local breed costs???? I assume less..... So where is the low price of these you mentioned...
And, how can you assume when you did not try.... I have been on some boats now :-), maybe I go fishing all year round, with mine and with many other boats who have the pleasure to invite me onboard...!!!!!!.. so I can say something.... I have also been in rough seas believe me.... But I have never tried the quicksilver, and before I try it, I cannot comment.....
As granitu pointed out, same strength, different production technique = less weight (better economy) and less stable (assuming only) which is a drawback, and this is what I want answered......
And by the way, I am not promoting any seller, since that I have my doubts after hearing various feedbacks.... we just happened to mention the quicksilver since that i liked the aesthetics, and it fits my needs.
I lately just popped by my 1st time at petecraft, and they were very helpful. I saw Gaffers boat (16 foot), which had a wonderful Stryker T-Top.... amazing...... but then the interior design, and spacing was not according to my needs.. The t top left few space around, and the live well is in the front, Rear storage space is limited due to the amount of wiring, boat was a bit on the narrow side.... Finish was divine and the attention given by the manufacturer was fantastic..and I have a friend of mine who also owns a 16 footer, which until today I have never been on, which says very good things about the hull design..
As regards the Seabrave, I do not think that they manufacture the 16 foot.. although the finish I saw last time I have been there was amazing, and the passion in boat building was evident as he showed me through the garage as he was still doing the mold.
And I have space limitations in the garage, and I want a boat that is towed on trailer easily, since that my fishing is majorly in winter....
And I was just wondering around, since that lately my diving is less and less due to health problems, and I switched heavily to fishing.... but till today I still have my fantastic rib, towed by my lovely landie....
The boat we 1st mentioned, has a small lockable cabin, which is very good for the size of the boat... and can go well with a 50hp which is good for consumption and license.... Rear space is great, and is also good for a family outing (removable table)... wide enough.... has 2 storage compartments at the back, (one easily turned to a live well), In winter driving will be sheltered from the cold due to the small cabin, and if it rains, quick shelter.... The rods will be close to the driver whilst fishing and I could reel whilst driving, and on the event of a hookup, the seat turns 360 degrees. There is no loss of space between the rear seats and the motor.
Good to hear if any local manufacturer has something on these lines...
If only that (xxxxxx) would let you have a seatrial grrrrrrrrrrr then your question will be answered eh Baggs.
in about 2 weeks seabrave will have the 16' out of mould.
Depends whom that XXXXX is??? You are leaving me perplexed :-)
Several individuals are running in my mind whom you might be referring to.....
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Quote from: shanook on May 04, 2014, 21:20:19 CET
Quote from: The_Gaffer on May 04, 2014, 20:08:46 CET
However, you are entitled to your opinion...for all its worth ;)
I am assuming you dont know the implication of what you wrote..........at least I am hoping that you dont?
Ma fhimtx ta !
@Baghira - what I always find strange and odd is that how come bigger boats than mine (especially imported ones) tend to have smaller engines compared to my size and engine. That's all. I know you have much more knowledge than me on boats and accept the fact that you have been on many more boats than me. I know the hull plays a very important part, but than the weight of a boat does not come from the hull but from the thickness of the fiber. Well at least that's my opinion. Apologies for my ignorance in this expertly forum!!!
So I assumed, right let me write in other words what you wrote.
"However you are entitled to your opinion......for what it's worth"
Means
"However you are entitled to your opinion.....not that it has any value"
That's why I asked, since I didn't believe you would state something like that.
Quote from: shanook on May 05, 2014, 13:44:07 CET
So I assumed, right let me write in other words what you wrote.
"However you are entitled to your opinion......for what it's worth"
Means
"However you are entitled to your opinion.....not that it has any value"
That's why I asked, since I didn't believe you would state something like that.
Tony, thats not what i meant with the phrase. I guess i better explain myself here. You know perfectly well Tony, that i come from an english speaking family. When i write in english, i think in english, and just write as like i was having s conversation....so....here it comes Tony -
For all its worth, what i meant is that when one expresses an opinion, those who heed that opinion get their money's worth (so to speak).. So Tony, please, don't interpret what I wrote as your opinion not having any value whatsoever.
I have a fair habit of using the phrase "for all its worth", however i never use it as interpreted by you Shanook. I hope that clears things.
Thing cleared. That's why I was amazed since you come from an English speaking family.
It's not my interpretation, it's the way we use it when we speak, so better be careful in its usage.
Exact meaning is and I quote" whether or not this has any value or use"
Or "when you are giving a piece of information and you are not certain whether that information is useful or important"
Or " even though it may not be important or valuable"
When you are using the phrase before or after you give advice it is ok to use it....but when you refer to someone else's opinion you are stating exactly what I said.
Good Example: ""for what it's worth, this is my opinion"".........meaning here is my opinion, now whether to use or not up to you. This is being used wisely.
Bad example: you are entitled to your opinion....for what it's worth. Meaning your opinion is of no value. This is used in a rude manner.
Enough said this is a thing of the past lets move on.
Quote from: shanook on May 05, 2014, 18:52:55 CET
Thing cleared. That's why I was amazed since you come from an English speaking family.
It's not my interpretation, it's the way we use it when we speak, so better be careful in its usage.
Exact meaning is and I quote" whether or not this has any value or use"
Or "when you are giving a piece of information and you are not certain whether that information is useful or important"
Or " even though it may not be important or valuable"
When you are using the phrase before or after you give advice it is ok to use it....but when you refer to someone else's opinion you are stating exactly what I said.
Good Example: ""for what it's worth, this is my opinion"".........meaning here is my opinion, now whether to use or not up to you. This is being used wisely.
Bad example: you are entitled to your opinion....for what it's worth. Meaning your opinion is of no value. This is used in a rude manner.
Enough said this is a thing of the past lets move on.
Ha ncedijielek ghax nemmen 'age before beauty'
:)
yep you are right on this one ''Experience always supersedes looks'' ;)PPP
guys, thanks a lot for your feedback even though at the end it turned out to be more of an english session :)
One other thing please if I may ask. If I happen to come across a second hand boat which I would be really interested in, would you know of any good contact whom I can ask to inspect the engine and confirm that is in good working order? And maybe also help me in identifying boat osmosis and other defects?
Any contacts would be highly appreciated, you can private message them to me as well. Typically how much would they charge for such service? So as to have an idea and not get ripped off in the eventuality.
Thanks again :)
dont think one person can give you both services. A mechanic for the engine and a boat manufacturer for the body. Dont know about surveyors ho they work. I just got a surveyor as my boat is 14 years old and he checked it out (never checked for osmosis).
Hope someone can give you phone numbers who to call. Good luck Shevino....is that lady Wine??? SHEvino=lady sheVINO= wine
This week I have been with my friend Shanook to see the new Seabrave 16 footer.
This boat is not ready yet, I saw the hull and the deck put together but unfinished, but for sure this boat needs to be considered as well. It is very large for its size, since that the transom is 6 foot wide, and it is designed to take 2 outboards without a bracket for an auxillary.... A twin motor setup is also a possibility. The front compartment is a large cooler with drain, and the double bottom is filled with foam.
The hull has a nice 19 degree inclination and made of a nice thickness of fibreglass with a robust skeleton, and the seat can be turned into a livewell or a storage box.
The console is a centre one with ample storage underneath. The boat will have some nice runaround space, and the one which will be finished soon is an open setup, but in the future they said that they will make a half cabin.
Johnston was very nice to show us and explain to us some technical aspects, and he said that he will take us for a sea trial which for me is a very important factor before commenting on stability...
I cannot comment about the aesthetics since that the boat is unfinished,,, will wait...
I am still waiting for a day when local manufacturers/importers would meet with their category boats and have them tested on a TV program. And it must be in the open water not in ports. But it must be on the same day and possibly running side by side (each with a camera on board) because an F3 sea today can be quite different from an F3 sea of tomorrow. A little swell makes all the difference including the handling and the consumption.
@shevino - I still have the Kaptan Trend 16ft for sale if interested.