Ghaddiet sena min mindu il-malta fishing forum hatar rapprezentat fuq il-board tal-fisheries,u min dakinhar ma smajna xejn,hemm xi update,vis-a-vis ir-regolamenti l-godda?
Qieghda ssir xi konsultazzjoni mal membri tal-Malta Fishing Forum rigward dan il-punt?
Sewwa qed tghid Caldaland, qatt ma smajna xejn, la dwar konsultazzjoni u wisq u wisq aktar dwar regolamenti godda. Nahseb li ghandi dritt inkun naf x'qed jigri.
Quote from: ganni on July 01, 2014, 12:53:48 CET
Sewwa qed tghid Caldaland, qatt ma smajna xejn, la dwar konsultazzjoni u wisq u wisq aktar dwar regolamenti godda. Nahseb li ghandi dritt inkun naf x'qed jigri.
Nappogja l Caldaland u lil ganni, nhoss li nistghu ninghataw update u informazzjoni adekwata.
Kieku inkunu nafu x ligijit qedin jigu proponuti inkunu f pozizjoni ahjar biex kulhadd jaghti l opinjoni tieghu biex dawn ma jafetwawnix hafna hazin. minn hafna ideat forsi ikun hemm xi ftit li ikunu tajbin ghalina.
Ma nahsibx li huwa 'fair comment' li tghidu li qatt ma hadtu update. Jien constantament tajthom update hawn fuq l-items kollha li jigu diskussi fil 'board tas-sajd' li ghandhom impatt fuq recreational fishing. Miniex ser noqod nghati rendikont hawn, pero jekk idduru l-posts tieghi, taraw l-updates kollha. Nerga nghid, ma kienx 'fair comment minghadkom li ktibtu hawn li mhux qed tiehdu update fuq l-items li qed jigu diskussi. Regward il-ligijiet il-godda, ma gie diskuss xejn, ghax kull darba li qed nitolbu li tigi diskussa bhala item fl-agenda, qed tigi posposta. Pero, fuq il-sajd ghat tonn mis-sajjieda rekreazzjonali, kont il-hin kollu intikhom update. Nerga nghid, u qed nghid specifikament ghal dawk il-membri li ghogobhom jiktbu hawn, ma kienx fair comment, u ma stennejtx certu kummenti.
Quote from: busumark on July 02, 2014, 07:55:24 CET
Kieku inkunu nafu x ligijit qedin jigu proponuti inkunu f pozizjoni ahjar biex kulhadd jaghti l opinjoni tieghu biex dawn ma jafetwawnix hafna hazin. minn hafna ideat forsi ikun hemm xi ftit li ikunu tajbin ghalina.
Mark, dak li qed jigi propost, ilu fuq il-forum available ghal qari iktar minn 18 il-xahar. Kont jien l-ewwel wiehed li gbidt l-attenzjoni ta kullhadd li kien hemm klawsoli limhux accetabli. Bizzejjed taghmel search fuq il-forum u issib diskussjoni shiha fuq il-proposti li gew ipprezzentati.
Opps Jew Jien qbizt xi qabda posts Jew xi haga ohra. Joe fejn huma dawn il posts li avzajtna bijghhom. Jekk kin tat tonn.....Konna nafuu wara li harget igifieri ma stajniex nissugerixxi xi haga. Dak li jkun lest insiru nafu bih anki mill fisheries.
Mort lura ftit u sibt post tieghek fejn semmejt li regolamenti ma humiex xi haga barra minn ghawn u li ma tantx jaffetwawna.....mela diga hemm xi haga? Imma Ahna ma nafux x'inhuma. Suppost hemm il forum ghax it tabib qadd ma iddiskuta mad dilettant, Issa ha nispiccaw listess??
Konna issugerejna li issir laqgha mal membri tal forum, wara sengha ma intqajna qatt.
Tithux Ghalik, ma hemx ghalfejn, meta tkun f'posizzjoni trid toqod ghal kritika. Jekk tkun distruttiva hazin, imma meta tkun gusta allura trid toghod 10.
Ha Nerga immur infittex, pero nahseb jekk ikun hemm post fejn hemm dawn l'update kolla flimkien. Fejn wiehed ma jistax jikkumenta imma jaqraghhom biss, ikun ahjar. Ghax mhux tajjeb trid toghod idur mal forum biex issib xi haga.
Ic-cuccata hi li kullhadd irrid kollox pronto. Taghmel search fil forum, issib pataflun ta diskussjonijiet li kollha huma relatati. Dik hi ir-realta.
Ghamilt search malajr malajr ha nara jekk dak li qed tghidu intom, specjalment Granitu u gianni, hux minnu. B'dispjacir nghid li jew ghandkom dak li jien nghidlu 'selective memory' jew qed tkunu economical with the truth, jew it tejn, jew hemm xi malizja fin nofs. Ghax sibt diskussjonijiet fejn intom it tnejn ipparteccipajtu sew, u jien hadt nota ta dak kollu li issugerejtu, u dawn gew diskussi fil-board.
Mhux sew tigu hawn u titfaw posts malizjuzi.
X'agenda ghandkom mela?
Caldaland nifhima, ghax dak dejjem ghaddej...u l-emmozjonijiet u l-entuzjazmu jahkmuh sew, li xi kultant jitlef il-kontroll assolut...Mark, ammetta hu stess li jiddejjaq iffittex. Imma intom, specjalment ganni, meta taf inti stess kemm ghaddew posts bejnitna, sa hadt is-suggerimenti tieghek...u tigi hwan titfa dawk il-posts hekk!.....mela ghandek xi mottiv iehor jew?
Wara kollox, dawn il-laqghat nattendijom mill-leave tieghi, mill-hin privat tieghi, u spejjezz tieghi, ghax wara kollox, jien ma nahdimx mal-gvern....u bhala membru tal board, ma tiehu xejn, ghajr paroli fil vojt minn nies li mohhom biss biex ikissru, u izzekzku kontra dak u l-iehor
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 11:37:26 CET
Quote from: busumark on July 02, 2014, 07:55:24 CET
Kieku inkunu nafu x ligijit qedin jigu proponuti inkunu f pozizjoni ahjar biex kulhadd jaghti l opinjoni tieghu biex dawn ma jafetwawnix hafna hazin. minn hafna ideat forsi ikun hemm xi ftit li ikunu tajbin ghalina.
Mark, dak li qed jigi propost, ilu fuq il-forum available ghal qari iktar minn 18 il-xahar. Kont jien l-ewwel wiehed li gbidt l-attenzjoni ta kullhadd li kien hemm klawsoli limhux accetabli. Bizzejjed taghmel search fuq il-forum u issib diskussjoni shiha fuq il-proposti li gew ipprezzentati.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 12:06:28 CET
Ic-cuccata hi li kullhadd irrid kollox pronto. Taghmel search fil forum, issib pataflun ta diskussjonijiet li kollha huma relatati. Dik hi ir-realta.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 12:23:21 CET
Ghamilt search malajr malajr ha nara jekk dak li qed tghidu intom, specjalment Granitu u gianni, hux minnu. B'dispjacir nghid li jew ghandkom dak li jien nghidlu 'selective memory' jew qed tkunu economical with the truth, jew it tejn, jew hemm xi malizja fin nofs. Ghax sibt diskussjonijiet fejn intom it tnejn ipparteccipajtu sew, u jien hadt nota ta dak kollu li issugerejtu, u dawn gew diskussi fil-board.
Mhux sew tigu hawn u titfaw posts malizjuzi.
X'agenda ghandkom mela?
Caldaland nifhima, ghax dak dejjem ghaddej...u l-emmozjonijiet u l-entuzjazmu jahkmuh sew, li xi kultant jitlef il-kontroll assolut...Mark, ammetta hu stess li jiddejjaq iffittex. Imma intom, specjalment ganni, meta taf inti stess kemm ghaddew posts bejnitna, sa hadt is-suggerimenti tieghek...u tigi hwan titfa dawk il-posts hekk!.....mela ghandek xi mottiv iehor jew?
Wara kollox, dawn il-laqghat nattendijom mill-leave tieghi, mill-hin privat tieghi, u spejjezz tieghi, ghax wara kollox, jien ma nahdimx mal-gvern....u bhala membru tal board, ma tiehu xejn, ghajr paroli fil vojt minn nies li mohhom biss biex ikissru, u izzekzku kontra dak u l-iehor
Gaffer, jien bniedem li qabel ppostjajt ccekjajt u mis searches li ghamilt dawn huma l ahhar updates utilissimi li saru fuq regoli (mhux regoli tat tonn). Naf x diskussjonijiet saru pero ikkoregini jekk jin zbaljat jew nsejt xi haga.
http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4638.315.html (http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4638.315.html)
http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4689.msg50917/topicseen.html#new (http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4689.msg50917/topicseen.html#new)
Gaffer update tlabt bl edukazzjoni kollha - m hemm l ebda malizzja - tista ez tghidli ma sarux updates ohra, xejn iktar u xejn inqas.
Issa naqa matematika semplici, ghaddew kwazi sena u nofs, in the process inbidel gvern u nhatru nies godda fuq l board, kif dejjem jigri f dal kazijiet.
Billi nitolobu update fuq dawn r regoli wara sena u nofs, ma nahsibx li sar xi haga hazina jew ghax ma rridux nfittxu. Sena u nofs hu hafna zmien gaffer.
Igifieri f dan iz-zmien ma saret l-ebda laqgha ohra Joe?
Saru diveri laqghat tal board. Dak li kien propost huwa dak li gie sanctioned mill federation u l-MFF. Hemm proposta tas sajjieda professjonali ghal bag limits fuq certu tipi ta hut, bhal ma hemm proposti minn naha taghna fuq tfih ta pariti. Pero, din l-item qed tkun prezenti dejjem fuq l-agenda, imma mhux qed tigi diskussa minhabba li tigi posposta ghal laqgha ohra.
Dak kollox, kieku kien hemm update, kont nigi hawn, u nghidilkom, bhal ma zammetkom infumati fuq tat tonn.
Quote from: shanook on July 02, 2014, 11:45:42 CET
Opps Jew Jien qbizt xi qabda posts Jew xi haga ohra. Joe fejn huma dawn il posts li avzajtna bijghhom. Jekk kin tat tonn.....Konna nafuu wara li harget igifieri ma stajniex nissugerixxi xi haga. Dak li jkun lest insiru nafu bih anki mill fisheries.
Mort lura ftit u sibt post tieghek fejn semmejt li regolamenti ma humiex xi haga barra minn ghawn u li ma tantx jaffetwawna.....mela diga hemm xi haga? Imma Ahna ma nafux x'inhuma. Suppost hemm il forum ghax it tabib qadd ma iddiskuta mad dilettant, Issa ha nispiccaw listess??
Konna issugerejna li issir laqgha mal membri tal forum, wara sengha ma intqajna qatt.
Tithux Ghalik, ma hemx ghalfejn, meta tkun f'posizzjoni trid toqod ghal kritika. Jekk tkun distruttiva hazin, imma meta tkun gusta allura trid toghod 10.
Ton organiza il-laqgha, u jien nghati rendikont ta dak kollu li hemm relevanti ghal kullhadd.
Ok grazzi.
Ili nghid imma, f'diversi posts relatati, li xejn ghadu ma gie diskuss. Minn attenda il laqgha generali tal-Federation, nahseb ha update ukoll, li ghadu kollox kif kien, ghax ma gara xejn ghadu. Tridu tiftakru minn xiex ghadda id-dipartiment dan l-ahhar, li ovjament tefu id-diskussjoni fil-genb
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 12:41:10 CET
Hemm proposta tas sajjieda professjonali ghal bag limits fuq certu tipi ta hut, bhal ma hemm proposti minn naha taghna fuq tfih ta pariti.
Fuq limea tipi ta' hut Gaffer?
Sorry guys ma tantx nippartecipa imma noqghod insegwi bil-kwiet
nista nsaqsikhom xi haga?
xi kultant ma nkunx nista nsegwi chats li jkunu ghaddejjin ghax is-sistema ma tippermettiliex.
ezempju alungi 2014 rajta minn fuq ta habib tieghi.
jista jaghti l-kaz li mhux kullhadd jista jara dawn l-updates?
nirringrazzjakhom u nheggigkom tkomplu dan il-forum ghax kullhadd jhossu iktar infurmat
u nghiduha kif inhi xi hint l'hemm u l'hawn hadt anke jien
il-position tieghi fuq forum huwa mff
Quote from: drmartin on July 02, 2014, 13:16:05 CET
Sorry guys ma tantx nippartecipa imma noqghod insegwi bil-kwiet
nista nsaqsikhom xi haga?
xi kultant ma nkunx nista nsegwi chats li jkunu ghaddejjin ghax is-sistema ma tippermettiliex.
ezempju alungi 2014 rajta minn fuq ta habib tieghi.
jista jaghti l-kaz li mhux kullhadd jista jara dawn l-updates?
nirringrazzjakhom u nheggigkom tkomplu dan il-forum ghax kullhadd jhossu iktar infurmat
u nghiduha kif inhi xi hint l'hemm u l'hawn hadt anke jien
il-position tieghi fuq forum huwa mff
Please note my post was updated
Hi DrMartin,
See below
Updated links were weird and incorrect
http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4638.315.html (http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4638.315.html)
http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4689.msg50917/topicseen.html#new (http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4689.msg50917/topicseen.html#new)
"Caldaland nifhima, ghax dak dejjem ghaddej...u l-emmozjonijiet u l-entuzjazmu jahkmuh sew, li xi kultant jitlef il-kontroll assolut"........hahahah tajba,gibtni qisni HULK HOGAN! lol. Mela ha nitkellem b'certu logika u niccara dak li ridt nghid.
Jekk sar xi qbil,fuq xi regolament, bejn ir-rapprezentanti tad-dilettanti u l-board tal-fisheries,nesigu li nkunu nfurmati immedjatament.
Jekk fi 18 il-xaghar ma sar xejn,kif qed tghid inti,allura hemm xi haga li mhux qed tiffunzjona,u trid titranga immedjatament.
@ Gaffer jekk tajdilna l affarijit li jopponu lizjed l commercial ghalina d delettanti inkunu nistaw niduskutuhom bejnitna biex forsi kif ghidt qabel nohorgu proposti ghalijhom. izjed ma jidiskutu nies izjed ikun hemm ideat differenti. jekk mhux hawn x himkien iehor
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 12:41:10 CET
............... Dak li kien propost huwa dak li gie sanctioned mill federation u l-MFF...............
tista tejdilna xinhuma dawn il proposti ghax fittixt imma ma sibthomx, la gew sanctioned mil MFF jigifieri li jien naqbel maghhom (pero ma nafx x'inhuma).
@Joe issa ma tarax li jien ma nistax naghmel laqgha jekk ma nkunx naf meta tkun tista inti. Mhux inti flimkien mal federation tistaw tlaqqu lin nies biex tinfurmaghhom x qied jigri. Jekk minn naha lohra ma hemm xejn allura ma tantx hemm ghalfejn issir laqgha. pero tista kif edtlek iftah post fejn tinforma biss u ma jsirux kummenti hemm, imma minn irid jikkumenta juza topic iehor
Kull ma hemm bag limits. Dawn qed jipproponu,mli jieqaf darba ghal dejjem il-bejh ta hut minn sajjieda dilettanti. Wahda mill-mizuri li proponu hija li ikun hemm bag limits fuq certu tip ta hut, mhux kollha. Ezempju minn dak li niftakar jissemmew il-bazug, pagri, u xi tipi ohra. L-argument tal-professjonisti huwa li la darba ahna nohorgu nistadu bhala dilizzju, u kif nghidu ahna biex induqu huta, mghandiex ghalfejn naqbdu hut bil-kwantita goffa.
Quote from: shanook on July 02, 2014, 16:21:47 CET
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 12:41:10 CET
............... Dak li kien propost huwa dak li gie sanctioned mill federation u l-MFF...............
tista tejdilna xinhuma dawn il proposti ghax fittixt imma ma sibthomx, la gew sanctioned mil MFF jigifieri li jien naqbel maghhom (pero ma nafx x'inhuma).
@Joe issa ma tarax li jien ma nistax naghmel laqgha jekk ma nkunx naf meta tkun tista inti. Mhux inti flimkien mal federation tistaw tlaqqu lin nies biex tinfurmaghhom x qied jigri. Jekk minn naha lohra ma hemm xejn allura ma tantx hemm ghalfejn issir laqgha. pero tista kif edtlek iftah post fejn tinforma biss u ma jsirux kummenti hemm, imma minn irid jikkumenta juza topic iehor
Naqbel Toni. Ha niftiehem ma nick, biex jinfettah topic bhala read only. Thanks tas-suggeriment.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 16:21:54 CET
Kull ma hemm bag limits. Dawn qed jipproponu,mli jieqaf darba ghal dejjem il-bejh ta hut minn sajjieda dilettanti. Wahda mill-mizuri li proponu hija li ikun hemm bag limits fuq certu tip ta hut, mhux kollha. Ezempju minn dak li niftakar jissemmew il-bazug, pagri, u xi tipi ohra. L-argument tal-professjonisti huwa li la darba ahna nohorgu nistadu bhala dilizzju, u kif nghidu ahna biex induqu huta, mghandiex ghalfejn naqbdu hut bil-kwantita goffa.
li ma inbihhux hut ma tantx hemm x tiddiskuti sa fejn naf jien dik diga qeda hemm, ma hijix problema taghna. ghalfejn iridu bag limit, biex jippreservaw il bahar jew bhala pika. gejja mil Eu? jew mill commercials?
Din tal bag limit naqbel maghha jekk issir mal commercial ukoll it tunellati ta acciol u bazut huma idahhluh u jeqirdu il gieh mhux ahna. kemm niekol hut ma hi affari ta hadd. Jekk issir ghal preservazjoni tal ispeci allura il limit isir ghal kulhadd bhal ma sar ghat Tonn. imma ghax iridu huma dik troppu, issa hekk imiss jindahlu f'sor.i, ma jisthux dejjem hekk kienu il commercials il bahar taghhom.
issa listand tal MFF xihini? jien personali ma naqbilx assolutament xejn ma din....sakemm ma tkunx ghal preservazzjoni tal ispeci allura laffarijiet jinbidlu ghal KULHADD.
u liema huma '' xi speci ohra''
il-bag limits naqbel maghhom u kif... imma jridu jsiru fuq dak li jaghmel il-hsara u mhux fuq dak li ftit li xejn ghandu impatt. x'sens fiha li tirregola il-ftit kilos li jaqbad delettant ma dawk it-tunellati li jaqbad sajjied kummercjali?
Bag limit issir biex insalvaw il-bahar....allura issir lil dawk li qed jeqirdu l-bahar......li huma l-kummercjanti biss!!!! Mela bag limit ghalina ddilettanti,OUT OF THE QUESTION! Ma taghmilx sens. Nistghu inkunu nafu xi pproponew ir-rapprezentanti taghna rigward regolamenti lil kummercjanti......ghax min hemm irridu nibdew!
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 16:21:54 CET
Kull ma hemm bag limits. Dawn qed jipproponu,mli jieqaf darba ghal dejjem il-bejh ta hut minn sajjieda dilettanti. Wahda mill-mizuri li proponu hija li ikun hemm bag limits fuq certu tip ta hut, mhux kollha. Ezempju minn dak li niftakar jissemmew il-bazug, pagri, u xi tipi ohra. L-argument tal-professjonisti huwa li la darba ahna nohorgu nistadu bhala dilizzju, u kif nghidu ahna biex induqu huta, mghandiex ghalfejn naqbdu hut bil-kwantita goffa.
l kummercjali nies tosti. jekk trid nurik x nies huma, jghaddu lin nies u l gvern minn ghajn l labra...
Quote from: shanook on July 02, 2014, 16:36:21 CET
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 02, 2014, 16:21:54 CET
Kull ma hemm bag limits. Dawn qed jipproponu,mli jieqaf darba ghal dejjem il-bejh ta hut minn sajjieda dilettanti. Wahda mill-mizuri li proponu hija li ikun hemm bag limits fuq certu tip ta hut, mhux kollha. Ezempju minn dak li niftakar jissemmew il-bazug, pagri, u xi tipi ohra. L-argument tal-professjonisti huwa li la darba ahna nohorgu nistadu bhala dilizzju, u kif nghidu ahna biex induqu huta, mghandiex ghalfejn naqbdu hut bil-kwantita goffa.
li ma inbihhux hut ma tantx hemm x tiddiskuti sa fejn naf jien dik diga qeda hemm, ma hijix problema taghna. ghalfejn iridu bag limit, biex jippreservaw il bahar jew bhala pika. gejja mil Eu? jew mill commercials?
Din tal bag limit naqbel maghha jekk issir mal commercial ukoll it tunellati ta acciol u bazut huma idahhluh u jeqirdu il gieh mhux ahna. kemm niekol hut ma hi affari ta hadd. Jekk issir ghal preservazjoni tal ispeci allura il limit isir ghal kulhadd bhal ma sar ghat Tonn. imma ghax iridu huma dik troppu, issa hekk imiss jindahlu f'sor.i, ma jisthux dejjem hekk kienu il commercials il bahar taghhom.
issa listand tal MFF xihini? jien personali ma naqbilx assolutament xejn ma din....sakemm ma tkunx ghal preservazzjoni tal ispeci allura laffarijiet jinbidlu ghal KULHADD.
u liema huma '' xi speci ohra''
Ton, ma tixtax tahsel idejk u tghid mhux problema taghna. Hija problema taghna. La hemm id-dilettant involut. Kull ma hemm proposta. Din ghada lanqas biss giet diskussa. Minn naha taghna l-proposti saru, min ghalija qedin hawn fuq il-forum, jekk le, nerga naghmel post bijhom. Huma proposti li ghamiltu intom stess, u jien ipprezzentajthom. Dawn il-proposti ilhom li saru aktar minn sena ilu. Joddispjacini, mghandiex hin noqod infittex.
Quote from: caldaland on July 02, 2014, 17:06:40 CET
Bag limit issir biex insalvaw il-bahar....allura issir lil dawk li qed jeqirdu l-bahar......li huma l-kummercjanti biss!!!! Mela bag limit ghalina ddilettanti,OUT OF THE QUESTION! Ma taghmilx sens. Nistghu inkunu nafu xi pproponew ir-rapprezentanti taghna rigward regolamenti lil kummercjanti......ghax min hemm irridu nibdew!
Dan ma kienx ezzercizju fuq id dilettanti u kummercjali. Dan kien working committee iffurmat minn numru ta stakeholders, fosthom, armata, mta, fisheries, mepa, federation li kellhom l-inkarigu jipprezzentaw set ta proposti ghal regolamentazjoni tas sajd tad dillettanti. Ma kien hemm xejn minn naha tal-kummerjali. Dan huwa biss in line mal regolamenti tal-EU, i li malta ma ghandha xejn biex tirregolizza is-sajd minn naha tad-dilettant.
Gaffer, ghaliex fuq issues dwar ligijiet fuq qbid ta hut mid-dilettant l-armata u l-mta huma meqjusa stakeholders? Li jkunu nvoluti l-fisheries, il Federation u l-MEPA (minhabba issues ta konservazzjoni) nifimha imma l-mta u l-armata? X'jifmhu fil hut u s-sajd tad-dilettanti? L-armata nifhem li xogholha tghin fil harsien tal-ligijiet u mhux li tipproponi ligijiet.
dan it topic vera interessanti, pero il kliem li qed jinghad huwa hafna tekniku jew qasir
Nerga nirrepeti. I'd dilettant ma jistax ibih hut, il ligi diga qeda hemm. Jaqaw ha niddiskutu Jew qed isir proposal li nistaw??? Ma nahsibx hux!! Mela dik ma nistawx nargumentawa lanqas nistaw niddiskutuwa. Kif isir ir reinforcement taghna mhux affari tieghi. Jien jinpurtani dak li ma hemmx xejn dwaru u ha jigi diskuss bhal din ta bag limit.
Kien hemm proposti ohra minn naha ta TM, Jew tal armata, Jew fisheries??
Mela illum mort nistad.
Qbadt 10 hutiet ghall liska.
xtrajt qasba u rukkell godda u diversi jigs etc din il gimgha.
Ghamilt 7 sieghat inrejjex.
Ma qbadt xejn.
Il liska tlaqta kolla lura l bahar hajja,anke dik li uzajt.
Dik ir realta. Kemm qallajt jien flus lil kummercanti tal hwienet maltin?
I sajjieda kummercali jimpurtaw kollox huma normalment.
X impatt ghamilt fuq l ambjent marittimu? Anke il liska tlaqt hajja.
U ma qbadt xejn.....
Tafu il kummercali kemm il tunnellata erezijiet tellaw mill bahar? U bliema metodi?
u tafu kemm tefghu lura l bahar hut? Kollu mejjet imma..
U jekk xahar iehor imbghad naqbad 2 dnieci, u it tnejn itellghu il buzzieqa u jmutu. Irrid narmi wiehed minnhom jekk hemm bag limit jghid hekk hux?
u lkummercali jaghmel 'by catch' ta accol bit tunnellati..
Halluna.
http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4748.msg51116.html#msg51116
Nahseb dan huwa t-topic li qed jirreferi ghalih il gaffer - niftakar sewwa ghax jien kont ghamilt diversi suggerimenti.
Thanks lazyfisherman ergajt qrajthom kollha......
Quote from: lazyfisherman on July 02, 2014, 22:27:55 CET
http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4748.msg51116.html#msg51116
Nahseb dan huwa t-topic li qed jirreferi ghalih il gaffer - niftakar sewwa ghax jien kont ghamilt diversi suggerimenti.
Dawk huma. Prosit lazyfisherman. Grazzi.
''I have compiled all your suggestions into one document, and submitted to the Fisheries board for discussion. BTW, I did leave out some comments, like Joholmu, Indahqu, l-imhatra, etc. Smiley''
can you please post this document that you submitted to fisheries, you can put it in the read only post
Thanks
Ippermettuli ftit l-ahwa,ha nara hux qieghed nifhem sewwa jien..............Jigifieri,dawn li "stakeholders" kollha qed jiltaqghu sabiex jghamlu regolamenti lis sajjieda dilettanti,u regolamenti lil kummercjali le.......Gaffer,qieghed nifhem sew jien jew zbaljat?
Zbaljat. Dawn gew mahtura bhala working committee mill-gvern precedenti f'ottubru tal-2012, tiftakar? Sabiex jaghmlu set ta proposti habba il-management of fisheries activities for recreational fishermen. Dan sar ghax Malta, sal llum, m'ghandha xejn. Regolamenti ghas-sajjieda kummercjali hemm, imma ghad dilettant m'hemmx. Toqodx iddahhal il-kummercjali fin-nofs, ghax assolutament m'ghandhomx jaqsmu. Aqra sewwa il-posts li bil gentilizza kollha tefa link tahhom lazyfisherman, u tista issegwi minn hemm. Jien issottomottejt il-proposti taghna, f'Lulju tat 2013. Minn dak inhar, ma gie diskuss xejn. Il-proposti huma gabra tas-suggerimenti taghkom li saru fit-topic. Meta jkolli cans, infittex l-email li bghatt bil proposti, u ntellaha hawn.
Jekk miniex sejjer zball, il-proposti tad-dilettanti saru joint mill Federation u l-MFF.
"Zbaljat. Dawn gew mahtura bhala working committee mill-gvern precedenti f'ottubru tal-2012, tiftakar? Sabiex jaghmlu set ta proposti habba il-management of fisheries activities for recreational fishermen" Mela allura la rregolamenti ha jsiru ghad dilettant biss, mhux talli ma zbaljatx izda kont ezatt! U min qal li regolamenti ghad dilettant ma hemmx............HEMM HAFNA U HAFNA IZJED MILLI GHANDU IL-KUMMERCJANTI............DA ZGUR LI GHANDU X'JAQSAM IL-KUMMERCJANTI,ANZI HUWA L-QOFOL TA KOLLOX!.
L proposti fil link li ghamel lazyfisherman huma dawk li saru qabel Marzu 2013. Dawk ma baqawx joddu u ghalxejn noqodu nidiskutu fuqhom. Meta inhatar board gdid wara Marzu 2013 gew mibawta proposti godda fuq dawn irridu nidiskutu. Kif ikolna dawn l proposti inkunu nistaw nidiskutuhom bejnitna. Avolja biex nidiskutuhom irridu inkunu nafu l kontro proposti li ghamel l board dwarhom u peress li ghada ma saritx laqgha minn wara li intbatu dawn l propsoti ghandna ma nafux kif ha jigu approvati, skartati jew emendati.
Gifiri jekk jien u l familja tieghi iddecidejna li nibdew niklu hut kuljum...... dan ma nistax namlu izjed ax issa se jkolli bag limit fuq il pagri ?????
Mark, aqra il-posts kollha fit-topic, hemm 7 pagni. Ghandek issib il-proposti taghna hemm. Dawn saru f'Lulju tat-2013.
Issa, biex id-diskors ikun car ghal kullhadd. Hemm ammont sostanzjali ta kooperazjoni bejn l-MFF u il-Federation. Imma, peress li l-MFF mhix membru tal Federation, ma nafux dak kollu li jigi diskuss. ( li ahna mhux membri mhux l-ghazla tieghi kienet, imma taghkhom). Nafu biss dak li jien nigi mistieden ghalih, jew li jghogob lil Federation tinfurmani bih. Ma ghandi l-ebda kontrol u informazzjoni fuq laqghat li jsiru bejn il-federation u l-awtoritajiet tal fisheries. Il-Federation tigbor fija numru kbir ta clubs tas-sajjieda dilletanti madwar Malta, li hafna mill-membri ta dawn il-clubs huma ukoll membri fl-MFF.
Hawwadtni Joe..... Mela fdik il post hemm li il proposti tal gvern ta qabel ma joddhux, hemm ukoll li Hon Galdes assigura li l'MFF ha tkun ikun ikkonsultata u presenti fkull laqgha.
Hemm ukoll li ghaqqadt il proposti u baghathom, pero mhumiex ippostjati.
Issa f'daqqa wahda l' MFF mhux parti mill bord???
Jien qtajt qalbi mela nerga nibda il glida mal federation ma hemx x'taghmel, ghax hawn qed nahli il hin u energija
Pero fdik il post f'page 5 hemm miktub li inti tifforma parti mill bord u xogholok hu li tirrapresenta lid dilettanti.
Ara mela ha mmur nitfa Harira ghat tonn, ghax hemm ma nsibx kontradizzjonijiet.
Back to square one!
Mela tajjeb hafna....Problem solved. Insibu lil xi hadd li jista jirrapprezentana fuq dan il-board u nitolbu lil hon.Galdes biex izomm il-wieghda hu jaccettah. H'hekk ikollna rapprezentat taghna. Taqblu l-ahwa.........FEEDBACK PLEASE!
Mahniex niftehmu ta. Jien membru tal-bord tal-fisheries. Fuq l-istess board, hemm stakeholders ohra, fosthom il-Federation. Jien mghandiex kontroll fuq il-Federation, u x'laqghat tista taghmel mal-Fisheries. Il-Federation titkellem f'isem il-membri tahha.
Ahna bhala MFF inkunu prezenti f'kull laqgha tal-board, imma ma nistawx inkunu prezenti jekk il-Federation titlob laqgha hi lil fisheries. Huwa biss bil-bona volonta tal-Federation li nista nkun przenti jien!
Ma nistax nifhem dan kollu jien, specjalment l-outbursts ta shanook u caldaland, ma nistx nifhem.
Dawn mhux "outbursts" Joe,izda ahna rridu nkunu nafu fejn qedin. Ahna ma naqblux li ghandhom jivvintaw regoli lid dilettant,ghax id-dilettant mhu jghamel l-ebda hsara lil hadd.....la lil bahar u l-anqas lil kummercjant...........Anzi ahna naqblu li ir-regoli ghandhom jorbtu lil kummercjant,ghax hu qed jghamel il-hsara kemm lil bahar u kemm lilna! Jigifieri kull regola li tigi proponuta ghalina,inti xoghlok dejjem LE! U jekk xi hadd isemmi xi ligi ta E.U.,ghidlu jtihielek bil-miktub u jtik ir-riferenza tal-ligi,imbaghad niddiskutuha.
Quote from: caldaland on July 04, 2014, 16:37:11 CET
Dawn mhux "outbursts" Joe,izda ahna rridu nkunu nafu fejn qedin. Ahna ma naqblux li ghandhom jivvintaw regoli lid dilettant,ghax id-dilettant mhu jghamel l-ebda hsara lil hadd.....la lil bahar u l-anqas lil kummercjant...........Anzi ahna naqblu li ir-regoli ghandhom jorbtu lil kummercjant,ghax hu qed jghamel il-hsara kemm lil bahar u kemm lilna! Jigifieri kull regola li tigi proponuta ghalina,inti xoghlok dejjem LE! U jekk xi hadd isemmi xi ligi ta E.U.,ghidlu jtihielek bil-miktub u jtik ir-riferenza tal-ligi,imbaghad niddiskutuha.
Yesssssssss bosssssssssss
Tajjeb wisq.
Outburst ha!! mela ma tafniex Joe.......
1. Qedin Imnizzlin ximkien il proposti li inti baghat lil board
2. Inti Jew mintix membri fil board biex jirregola is sajd tad dilettanti.
3. Jekk in numru 2 ir risposta hija Iva... allura le ma jistawx il federation titkellem fuq is suggett minghajr ma tkun avzat u presenti.
4. Din tal bag limit giet acetata Jew michuda minnek
5. Kieku ma staqsiex Caldaland kieku ma Konna nkun nafu xejn fuq din il kwistjoni
6. Barra il bag limit hemm xi affarijiet ohra li ghadna ma nafux bijhom.
7. Wara tliet ijiem u erba pages ta posts ghadhekk ma tfajtx post bil proposti li baghat lil board tal fisheries.
Kieku il pozizjonijiet taghna jinqalbu, Kieku minn jaf xtaqlali Joe, u jkollok ragun.
Issa jekk qied tieghu ghalik ejdli halli nieqaf. Jien ghandi 62 u taghmlux bag limit, Jew regolamenti ohra ma tantx ha jaffetwawni. Imma ma nihux pjacir Nara il hobby ta tant zaghzagh jigi meqrud.
Quote from: shanook on July 04, 2014, 21:25:16 CET
Outburst ha!! mela ma tafniex Joe.......
1. Qedin Imnizzlin ximkien il proposti li inti baghat lil board
2. Inti Jew mintix membri fil board biex jirregola is sajd tad dilettanti.
3. Jekk in numru 2 ir risposta hija Iva... allura le ma jistawx il federation titkellem fuq is suggett minghajr ma tkun avzat u presenti.
4. Din tal bag limit giet acetata Jew michuda minnek
5. Kieku ma staqsiex Caldaland kieku ma Konna nkun nafu xejn fuq din il kwistjoni
6. Barra il bag limit hemm xi affarijiet ohra li ghadna ma nafux bijhom.
7. Wara tliet ijiem u erba pages ta posts ghadhekk ma tfajtx post bil proposti li baghat lil board tal fisheries.
Kieku il pozizjonijiet taghna jinqalbu, Kieku minn jaf xtaqlali Joe, u jkollok ragun.
Issa jekk qied tieghu ghalik ejdli halli nieqaf. Jien ghandi 62 u taghmlux bag limit, Jew regolamenti ohra ma tantx ha jaffetwawni. Imma ma nihux pjacir Nara il hobby ta tant zaghzagh jigi meqrud.
Iggifieri inti tahseb li ghandek ragun?
Maaaaaaaaa, alla hares la nirtira insir bhalkhom.....
Mela, b'naqa pacenzja u sforz....
Ahjar nidhaq naqa......
Sibt l-email li bghat lil fisheries bis-suggerimenti tal_MFF.
Hawn hi......nispera li dawk li ikkrittikaw, habqu, tambru fuq sidirhom, u werzqu u ghajtu, jieqfu naqa issa, u jgawdu id-delizju propju tas-sajd.
Dawn huma l-proposti li bghatt permezz ta email lis-segretarja tal-bord tas-sajd, f'isem il-MALTA FISHING FORUM - ikkuppjat kull membru tal-board. id- data hija 16 ta Lulju, 2013
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Suggerimenti ghal regolamenti (suggerimenti) ghas0sajjieda dillettanti
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Ghaziza Ms Said,
Wara li kunsulatjat ma diversi ghaqdiet fuq livel nazzjonali rigard is-sajd rekreazzjonali, nixtieq nipprezzenta dawn is-suggerimenti ghad-diskussjoni:
1. Irkaptu
a. Konz ma jistax jintefa f'aktar minn 100 qama. X'inhi ir-raguni ekologika wara din il-proposta? Billi jintefghu 200 sunnara biex forsi jinqabdu xi bazuga, xi xabla jew xi merluzz ma fiha xejn hazin.
b. Konz tal-lizzijiet ghadni irrid nara wiehed. Minn fejn giet din l-ideja?
c. In-nassi tal-qarnit kalati individwalment jew flimkien x'taffetwa? Listess impatt ghandhom.
d. Sajd bl-imrejkba sa massimu ta 300 qama tul? Ma tafux li l-ikaptu tal-imrejkba huwa konz? Konz tkejlu bl-ammont ta' snanar u mhux mit-tul. Din trid tigi irrangata ghal nghidu ahna 100 sunnara.
e. Drifting bil-lixka qas biss hu msemmi. Jekk inharsu ftit lejn il-girien taghna it-taljani din hija wahda mil-aktar sajdiet prattikati. Ghanda tigi nkluza wkoll, issa specjalment li qed tinhareg il-licenzja ghat-tonn. Imma ukoll ghax f'malta din hija wahda mis-sajdiet l-iktar ippratikata ukoll. ma nistax nifhem kif din thalliet barra!
f. U Hemm imnizzel li rixa tat-tonn ma tistax tuza? Jekk ghandek il permess allura x'taghmel bih?
g. Xolfa bil-qasab u anka dawk fuq l-idejn nahseb li kollox ghandu jkun permess.
2. Naqbel ma dak li gie diskuss. Ghalkemm irid inzid dak li ftehmna fuqu fil-board, li ghad trid issir diskussjoni fuq yachts, very small craft idendlu mitlaq, etc.
3. Naqbel li m'ghandux jkun hemm zoni ristretti aktar minn dawk diga msemmija habba ir-ragunijiet li inghataw fl-istess punt.
4. Naqbel ma dak li gie diskuss
5. Naqbel ma dak li gie diskuss
6. Naqbel ma dak li gie diskuss
7. Ma nara xejn hazin billi dghajsa S tkun tista tistad. Imma billi jkollok naqra tifel jew/u titfa bi xlief minn dghajsa S x'fiha hazin? Nispera ma nigux f'din l estremita.
8. Naqbel ma dak li gie diskuss
Obbligazzoni li kull dghajsa jkollha installata fiha tip ta' tracking system.
Liema pajjiz ta l-E.U. ghandu din is-sistema? Qas hadd ghadu ma holom biha fuq id-dghajjes tad-dilettanti... umbad Malta irridu nghamluwha? U x'inku l vantagg ta din is sistema? Ghax jien ma nara l-ebda skop validu biex tidhol ghal dawk l-ispejjez ghal dghajsa li probabbli hlief naqra fit-tlett xhur tas-sajf ma tintuzax. U x'titrackja jekk xebgha dghajjes qas johorgu aktar minn mil il-barra, tista toqghod tarhom bit tromba jekk trid. Hawn hafna dghajjes li qas biss power supply mghandhom. U fuq dghajsa ta 10 piedi tracking device ikun jonqsok, mhux bizzejjed l flares, life jackets u l obligazzjonijiet kollha tas-sigurta.
Limitazzjoni bil-jiem matul is-sena
L-ebda pajjiz ta' l-E.U. ghadu ma holom biha. Ha naghmlu stagun ghal brieqex issa jew? Mela ma tafux li is-sajd ivarja skond it- temp u l-istaguni. Qas il-full timers ma jirregolaw bil-jiem tas sajd u tridu jirregolaw lielna? U dan kollu ghalxiex? Nassigurakom li mid-dipartiment ghadu qatt ma sar studju fuq is-sajd rikreazzjonali u l-impatt li jhalli.
Il-Bag Limit
Trid tinqata darba ghal dejjem l-ideja li il-bahar huwa ta xi hadd partikolari, bhal ma trid tispicca l-ideja li is-sajjieda rekreazzjonali qed nisirqu l-hut jekk immorru bil-qasba naqbdu huta. Mela immur ghaxar darbiet f'sena u ghax tigini darba tajba ma nistax niehu zewg hutiet sbieh id-dar? Mas-size limit tal-hut naqbel mija fil mija u nemmen li ghandu jigi inforzat b'sahha, pero il-bag limit jaghmel sens biss fuq xi huta bhat tonn. Il-Bag limits huma ghodda ghal konservazzjoni u ghandhom l-uzu taghhom imma dawn ghandhom jintuzaw biss fejn hemm bzonn. Ma taghmilx sens li taghmel bag limit fuq id-dilettant imbaghad il-commercial fishermen jaqbdu kemm iridu.
Ezempju
Ara kif l-Irlanda inqdew bil bag limit biex jikkonservaw l-ispnott. L-ispnott kien naqas hafna minhabba overfishing. Min 1990 l-hawn is-sajd kummercjali ghal-ispnott twaqqaf kompletament izda d-dilettant thalla jistad - hemm bag limit ta zewg hutiet kuljum u minimum landing size ta 40 cm. B'dawn il-mizuri l-istocks tal-ispnott hadu r-ruh. Mur ghamel xi haga hekk hawn Malta!
Suggerimenti
Bhal issa fl-Italja qed tizdied hafna il popolarita tas-sajd bil kayak (bil kenura). Hemm ghaqdiet, filmati fuq Youtube u forums dwar din is-sajda - per ezempju din
http://kayakfishingitalia.forumfree.it/.
F' Malta din is-sistema ghadha ma qabdietx - imma l-kayak qed isir dejjem aktar popolari. Din is-sajda ser naqtghula rasha qabel ma tista titwieled? Kif qed jigu proposti l-ligijiet nistghu nistadu minn fuq kayak?
Grazzi,
Joe Baldacchino
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hafna minn dawn is-suggerimenti, huma cut and paste ta suggerimenti taghkom. Jien nemmen hekk, why change a winning horse.
Isa tistu taghymlu naqa chill out please!
U hbieb tieghi, id-diskussjoni waqfet hemm. Ghax umbghadd, wara dawn il-proposti tal-MFF, hrigna naqa fuq l-attakk, fejn dahalna fid-diskussjoni l-pariti, sajd bil-bomba, tkarkir, u sajd bil-gangmu.
Minn hemm, faqqet il-krizi tal-fisheries, b'hafna inkjesti u pulizija fin-nofs, u m sar kwazi xejn izzjed.
Issa intom tahsbu li jien iblah, cuc, whatever, li ser niffirma ghal xi regolamentazzjoni li naf li intom kontiha!!!!
Ja qabda nies ta fidi baxxa!!!!
Quote from: shanook on July 04, 2014, 21:25:16 CET
Outburst ha!! mela ma tafniex Joe.......
1. Qedin Imnizzlin ximkien il proposti li inti baghat lil board
2. Inti Jew mintix membri fil board biex jirregola is sajd tad dilettanti.
3. Jekk in numru 2 ir risposta hija Iva... allura le ma jistawx il federation titkellem fuq is suggett minghajr ma tkun avzat u presenti.
4. Din tal bag limit giet acetata Jew michuda minnek
5. Kieku ma staqsiex Caldaland kieku ma Konna nkun nafu xejn fuq din il kwistjoni
6. Barra il bag limit hemm xi affarijiet ohra li ghadna ma nafux bijhom.
7. Wara tliet ijiem u erba pages ta posts ghadhekk ma tfajtx post bil proposti li baghat lil board tal fisheries.
Kieku il pozizjonijiet taghna jinqalbu, Kieku minn jaf xtaqlali Joe, u jkollok ragun.
Issa jekk qied tieghu ghalik ejdli halli nieqaf. Jien ghandi 62 u taghmlux bag limit, Jew regolamenti ohra ma tantx ha jaffetwawni. Imma ma nihux pjacir Nara il hobby ta tant zaghzagh jigi meqrud.
Ha nghid tal-ahhar u daqshekk minn naha tieghi.....
1. Qed taqrom issa.....jekk trid ibghatli l-email tieghek, u I forward
2. Ovja li iva
3. Il-federation titkellem hi ghaliha. Jien ga ktibt x'nahseb jien.
4. Aqra sew x'ghedt jien...li huwa cut and paste x'qalu il-membri tal-MFF
5. Gidba fahxija....kontu intom stess li issugerejtu, jien xoghli biss kien lio naqqad, u nipprezzenta....ghax qbilt, u ma stajtx nghidu jew niktbu ahjar...allura, cut and paste
6. jekk taf xi haga ohra, ghidli....what you see in my last post, is what I know
7. I do not take orders from anybody...ghedtilkom, ghandi x'naghmel, kif ikolli cans, nippostja....illum xghelt il-PC, minflokk it-tablet, sibthom, u bhal me qed taraw....hemm huma
hmmmm....tidher ta li ghandek 62 sena...ghax sirt tghaggibhom bi kbir.....
paroli fil vojt is soltu timbru tieghek Gaffer........
1 minn il Qah.....qal li ma ghandnix fiducja, dik assumejta inti (mela ghandek xi dubju fik innifsek)???? meta ma jkollix fiducha fik mill ewwel nidlek (mhux minn wara daghrek, imma fwiccek) u naghmel minn kollox biex titlaq minn hemm.
2 inti stess flahhar post tajt rendikont ta dak li gara sa issa ghax ma ghamiltix fil bidu tal post? U din mhix ordni imma sens komun.
3 ''I dont take orders from anybody'' kliem tat tfal iz zghar.....minn qed itik xi ordnijiet min hawn??
4 ''ikkrittikaw, habqu, tambru fuq sidirhom, u werzqu u ghajtu,jiqfu naqa issa''. Hekk jonqos issa ukoll ghax tistaqsi lil minn jippresentak ghal informazzjoni tigi ittimbrat, tajba din, u hallina niexu.
5 vera bicca xoghol kbira li tixel il PC flok it tablet heqq il pc hafna itqal mit tablet.........SIC
6 ''ggifieri inti tahseb li ghandek ragun? Maaaaaaaaa, alla hares la nirtira insir bhalkhom.....'' Minn iz z... qied jipprova jiehu ragun meta bniedem jistaqsi ma jkunx irid ragun imma risposti maaaaaaaaaa u ghadek ma wasaltx ghas 60
Issa jekk trid iftah dik il post (read only) u meta ikollok cans infurmana, dejjem fidejk ma tmurx tahseb li qied nordnalek ta.....
Skuzawni, imma dal paroli kollu mhux ahjar thalluh meta tiltaqaw ras m bras.
Hawn tpaxxu nies qeghdin ta. mhux post ta dawn l argumenti. Mhemmx ghalfejn boiling point ta wara kollox fuq delizzju qed tirreferu. vera li hu ta nteress taghna imma l-ewwel iccaraw l punti mhux taghtu idejat hziena.
dejjem flopinjioni tieghi tnejn rgiel nafkhom.
Nkun onest ghanki jien kont nahsibkom aktar kawti. Lanqas jien ma kont nghamilkom hekk ta inthom it tnejn ! Anyway nistaw minn hawn l' hemm nibdew nidiskuttu b'direzzjoni li nifthemu flok nisvijaw.
Grazzi ( u miniex nordna, staqsejt biss :P )
"Re: 2014 Bluefin Tuna Licence / Applikazzjonijiet għas-sajd rikreazzjonali tat-tonn
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2014, 23:08:58 CET »
Max, u l-qbija tal-membri hawn. Huwa veru li hemm regolamenti fil-pipeline ghas-sajjieda dilettanti. Pero huwa verissimu li tibdil ftit li xejn hemm. Hemm iktar klarifika fuq regolamenti, defenizzjoni iktar cara ta regolamenti li kienu ga jezistu, imma mhux infurzati. imma nista nassigurakhom li m'hemm xejn ta barra minn hawn. Ir-regolamenti l-godda jkopru is-sajd minn fuq opri tal-bahar. Ma hemm xejn rigward sajd bil qasba minn fuq l-art. "
Gaffer,din ta fuq kont ktibta inti anqas min xaghrejn ilu,fejn assigurajtna li mhu ha jsir xejn ta barra min hawn. Il-bag limit hija xi haga ta barra min hawn u tmur kontra dak li hawn miktub hawn fuq.....tista ticcara dan il-punt?
Haga ohra,hawnhekk qieghed ittina l-impressjoni li rregolamenti waslu biex johorgu u f'din it-tread kont ktibt li min sena l-hawn kwazi ma sar xejn ghax kieku kont ittina update..............tista tispjegalna ahjar halli nkunu nafu b'ezattezza fejn ninsabu?
Il kelma Bag Limit x tinkluwdi? U fuq liema speci tinkludijom?
Jina li ninkwieta jekk hergin regolamenti li ha jmissu sew is-sajd tad dilettanti bl-opri tal bahar. Ghax tkun hasra wara daqs dawk eluf kbar li nonfqu fuq il-qoxra u l-irkaptu...
U l-flus li nohorgu,mil but taghna johorgu u mhux ittihomna l-E.U.
Quote from: caldaland on July 05, 2014, 13:18:50 CET
"Re: 2014 Bluefin Tuna Licence / Applikazzjonijiet għas-sajd rikreazzjonali tat-tonn
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2014, 23:08:58 CET »
Max, u l-qbija tal-membri hawn. Huwa veru li hemm regolamenti fil-pipeline ghas-sajjieda dilettanti. Pero huwa verissimu li tibdil ftit li xejn hemm. Hemm iktar klarifika fuq regolamenti, defenizzjoni iktar cara ta regolamenti li kienu ga jezistu, imma mhux infurzati. imma nista nassigurakhom li m'hemm xejn ta barra minn hawn. Ir-regolamenti l-godda jkopru is-sajd minn fuq opri tal-bahar. Ma hemm xejn rigward sajd bil qasba minn fuq l-art. "
Gaffer,din ta fuq kont ktibta inti anqas min xaghrejn ilu,fejn assigurajtna li mhu ha jsir xejn ta barra min hawn. Il-bag limit hija xi haga ta barra min hawn u tmur kontra dak li hawn miktub hawn fuq.....tista ticcara dan il-punt?
Haga ohra,hawnhekk qieghed ittina l-impressjoni li rregolamenti waslu biex johorgu u f'din it-tread kont ktibt li min sena l-hawn kwazi ma sar xejn ghax kieku kont ittina update..............tista tispjegalna ahjar halli nkunu nafu b'ezattezza fejn ninsabu?
Ghal ahhar darba, forsi iddahhala fir ras ibsa l-ghandek. Kien hemm proposta biex issir bag limit. Jien resaqt il-kontra proposti f-Lulju 2013. Minn dak inhar ma gie DISKUSS XEJN. Ilna ix-xhur nitolbu li tigi diskussa fl-agenda, u dejjem tigi posposta. DAQSHEKK.
Quote from: shanook on July 05, 2014, 10:29:16 CET
paroli fil vojt is soltu timbru tieghek Gaffer........
1 minn il Qah.....qal li ma ghandnix fiducja, dik assumejta inti (mela ghandek xi dubju fik innifsek)???? meta ma jkollix fiducha fik mill ewwel nidlek (mhux minn wara daghrek, imma fwiccek) u naghmel minn kollox biex titlaq minn hemm.
2 inti stess flahhar post tajt rendikont ta dak li gara sa issa ghax ma ghamiltix fil bidu tal post? U din mhix ordni imma sens komun.
3 ''I dont take orders from anybody'' kliem tat tfal iz zghar.....minn qed itik xi ordnijiet min hawn??
4 ''ikkrittikaw, habqu, tambru fuq sidirhom, u werzqu u ghajtu,jiqfu naqa issa''. Hekk jonqos issa ukoll ghax tistaqsi lil minn jippresentak ghal informazzjoni tigi ittimbrat, tajba din, u hallina niexu.
5 vera bicca xoghol kbira li tixel il PC flok it tablet heqq il pc hafna itqal mit tablet.........SIC
6 ''ggifieri inti tahseb li ghandek ragun? Maaaaaaaaa, alla hares la nirtira insir bhalkhom.....'' Minn iz z... qied jipprova jiehu ragun meta bniedem jistaqsi ma jkunx irid ragun imma risposti maaaaaaaaaa u ghadek ma wasaltx ghas 60
Issa jekk trid iftah dik il post (read only) u meta ikollok cans infurmana, dejjem fidejk ma tmurx tahseb li qied nordnalek ta.....
WHATEVER.........il-kontenut tal-email ghamiltu fil post. Int li ghandek oppinjoni fuq kollox u kullhadd ghandek dritt issa tikrita jew tofri oppinjoni. Dak li gie diskuss fil board fl-Lulju 2013 ghadu hemm sissa, ghax ma kienx hemm progress. Kif ikun hemm xi haga, nigi hawn u nghidilkom kif sejrin l-affarijiet. Sa ISSA MA HEMM XEJN, gHax qatt ma gie diskuss xejn minn Lulju tat-2013. Dan l-ahhar il-federation qed titlob li l-item fuq l-agenda rigward ir-regolamanti ghad-dilettanti tas sajd minn fuq il-bahar jigi diskuss. Sa hemm nista nghidlek, ghax sa hemm wasalna.
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 07, 2014, 07:26:31 CET
WHATEVER.........il-kontenut tal-email ghamiltu fil post. Int li ghandek oppinjoni fuq kollox u kullhadd ghandek dritt issa tikrita jew tofri oppinjoni.
GRRRRRR..............UFFFFFFFFF............MAAAAAAAAAA
Quote from: EmicMalta on July 05, 2014, 16:25:04 CET
Il kelma Bag Limit x tinkluwdi? U fuq liema speci tinkludijom?
nista nerga nsaqsija din il mistoqsija?
Quote from: EmicMalta on July 07, 2014, 12:45:28 CET
Quote from: EmicMalta on July 05, 2014, 16:25:04 CET
Il kelma Bag Limit x tinkluwdi? U fuq liema speci tinkludijom?
nista nerga nsaqsija din il mistoqsija?
Edward, ma hemm xejn specifiku. L-item bag limit kienet proposta mill working group ta qabel. Jien ipprezzntant il-proposta tal MFF. Imma ma gie xejn specifiku.
mela allura la fi zmien sena ma ntqal xejn u ma sar xejn ta xejn,ghandu jaqa u jxolji kollox,{bhal ma darba gejna mwieghda},u nibdew nitkellmu fuq regoli li ghandhom isiru lil dawk li qed jghamlu hsara lil bahar u lilhom infusom..............IL-KUMMERCJANTI!
Quote from: caldaland on July 07, 2014, 16:17:52 CET
mela allura la fi zmien sena ma ntqal xejn u ma sar xejn ta xejn,ghandu jaqa u jxolji kollox,{bhal ma darba gejna mwieghda},u nibdew nitkellmu fuq regoli li ghandhom isiru lil dawk li qed jghamlu hsara lil bahar u lilhom infusom..............IL-KUMMERCJANTI!
Ehhe...tihux hsieb....hekk ser issir. Ezatt kif qed tghid int ta!
Naf tibzax li mhux hekk ha jsir........naf tinkwetax! Fil verita,int kont ghitilna li waqa kollox,ezatt kif tlajt fil-board.............kemm inbiddlu affarijiet min dak iz-zmien l'hawn!
Ahna bnejna fuq dak li kien hemm tajjeb. E.z. MFC registration ghal opri b'outboards ta 100hp il-fuq...ma tridiex din? Fil-kaz ghidli, halli innehhuwa ukoll.
Ha nghidlek Max, biss sahha tal MFF, kieku ma tkellimtx u hanbaqt jien u ftit ohra hawn, kieku dawk ir-regolamenti gew fis sehh fi Frar tat-2013. Hekk kien il pjan. Imma irnexxilna nwaqfu kollox. Ehe, irnexxilna ukoll intajru hafna mill-affarijiet li kien hemm....pero sar xoghol tajjeb ukoll, u bnejna fuqu.
"E.z. MFC registration ghal opri b'outboards ta 100hp il-fuq...ma tridiex din? Fil-kaz ghidli, halli innehhuwa ukoll." Din ma ghanda xejn x'taqsam mas-sajd,u din kienet semplici lixka......biex il-mazzun jibla! JIEN INTIK SOLD U INT TINI XELIN! Iva Joe,naf x'kien ha jigri qabel,ghax jien kont l-ewwel wiehed li tkellimt u jien biss kont u ghadni ibbojkottjat mil-federation.
"pero sar xoghol tajjeb ukoll, u bnejna fuqu." xi bnejna Joe jekk int ghidt li f'sena ma sar xejn? Kieku nkunu anqas sarkastici u nipprovaw indahku inqas,kieku forsi nimxu ahjar............imma ghal certu nies din impossibli.
Quote from: caldaland on July 07, 2014, 17:20:23 CET
"E.z. MFC registration ghal opri b'outboards ta 100hp il-fuq...ma tridiex din? Fil-kaz ghidli, halli innehhuwa ukoll." Din ma ghanda xejn x'taqsam mas-sajd,u din kienet semplici lixka......biex il-mazzun jibla! JIEN INTIK SOLD U INT TINI XELIN! Iva Joe,naf x'kien ha jigri qabel,ghax jien kont l-ewwel wiehed li tkellimt u jien biss kont u ghadni ibbojkottjat mil-federation.
"pero sar xoghol tajjeb ukoll, u bnejna fuqu." xi bnejna Joe jekk int ghidt li f'sena ma sar xejn? Kieku nkunu anqas sarkastici u nipprovaw indahku inqas,kieku forsi nimxu ahjar............imma ghal certu nies din impossibli.
Sewwa qed tghid.....certain people need to get a life. Over and out.
ROGER...................But I prefer to be without a life...than get one at the expense of my friends!
Friend?.....with friends like you, who needs enemies
Friend? ...I was not referring to you.
Gents, please let's stick to the topic at hand which was a request for an update on what has been done over the past year.
Joe, having stumbled my way through the past 6 pages to try and get up to speed, I think it would be beneficial for all members and especially those who provided feedback to the proposed regulations last year, if you could update us on a few points.
- Has there been any tangible progress in the past year, but especially in 2014 on drafting of any new regulations.
- If there are any regulations in draft stage, are you able to post them for all to review and provide further feedback.
- When was the last time the fisheries board met to discuss recreational regulations.
- Do you know when the next meeting is and if so, have they provided you with a high level agenda.
I totally appreciate the lack of time issue and how between work and family there isn't much time left for other things, with the time spent on the fisheries board requiring extra commitment from your end, but as the sole representative of the MFF on the board, our members depend on you to keep them updated, as it's easy to miss some posts and as requested in this topic, I will work on setting up a read only area where Joe can place updates on the latest developments that affect recreational fishing in Malta, and the discussion of those updates can occur in a different post.
These should be available to view here: http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/board,65.0.html
Good idea.....weldone.
I don't know whether this is a coincidence or otherwise but the following has been posted on the Federation Website yesterday!
Quote....
The Federation would like to inform all recreational fishermen that the final draft of the suggested regulations for recreational fishermen drawn up by the sub-committee of the Fisheries Board, set up during the year 2012, were presented to the Fisheries Director in the middle of March 2013 so that it would eventually be discussed during the Fisheries Board meetings.
These draft suggested regulations were presented to the fisheries board during a meeting held at the beginning of July 2013, but inspite of the fact that the Federation's representative on the Board insisted that these regulations are put on the agenda several times, they were NEVER DISCUSSED and up to now the discussion has always been postponed to a future board meeting.
The discussion of these proposed regulations was on the Agenda of the Fisheries Board Meeting scheduled for the 2nd July 2014 but this same Fisheries Board Meeting has already been postponed four times (11th July 2014, 16th July 2014 and 23rd July 2014).
The Federation will be using this Forum to update all recreational fishermen when and if there are any new developments on these draft proposed regulations.
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July 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Where is this final draft? Can we have a copy please?
I guess the final draft the above text is referring to is one which way presented in a hurry before the election. The MFF has put forwardd its proposals countering that final draft. What is accurate is that since then, we have never had a discussion.
No news is good news.
Joe, do we still keep bombarding you or what?
After careful consideration, and considering the various comments on this thread, beginning from page 1, I have decided to resign from my position as a member of the fisheries board.
I am posting a copy of the email I sent to the Hon Parliamentary Secretary and the Director General Fisheries.
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Hon. Parliamentary Secretary Galdes, Dr. Fenech Farrugia,
Recent events, and the way these recent events developed, forced me to rethink my position as a member of the Fisheries Board.
As a consequence to this, I am forthwith resigning as a member of the Board of Fisheries with immediate effect. This decision is final, and non reversible.
Thank you,
Joseph M Baldacchino MSc, DMS, CIM, FIAP