I went to have a look at the federation web site and apart from other things i came across this in the ''About us'' i quote''The Federation has a committee member on the Fisheries Board and represents the interests of all MFB and MFC boat owners. Infact it is to be said that the latter category of fishing boats was accepted upon the suggestion of the federation member who sits on the Fisheries Board''
for those who missed my point the federation is boasting that the MFC (that is what most amateur clubs in Malta are all about and the majority of members of that form the federation) are represented because of the intervention of JOJO......come again.....I always thought that the amateur jew delettant is the MFC not the MFB........
No wonder when we hear about regulations and suggestions they are against the MFC and in favour of the partime or full time fisherman.....NO WONDER AT ALL.
its time we wake up, meet, speak and meet the relevant people
So according to you Granitu, we have been sleeping?
Quote from: The_Gaffer on July 13, 2014, 16:08:22 CET
So according to you Granitu, we have been sleeping?
again gaffer, someone post something and you take it to N extremen. i did not accuse u that you have been sleeping. this attitute is wrong be more positive and not overly aggressive to protect yourself.
i am of the opinion that you and the federation have been kept in the dark of some relevant matters.
people interst mean information, resources. i included, have dedicated littlr intrtest to leep updated and effectivrly its time to wake up and do my part to preserve our passion.
we mean votes for the government, i would start to make.sure to let the government know that we are a relevant no..
Hallina Granitu, what a load of hog wash. No worries, as of tomorrow, i will request a meeting with the Hon. Galdes, and hand in my resignation. I am now sick and tired of you arm chair critics, but when push comes to shove, i only see my shadow, and a few other people backing me in this quest.
Caw caw
@ Gaffer when a year ago you went to speak with PL representative and after election with Galdes and you posted the updates in this forum there were a lot of people who gave their input and thanked you for your hard work that you were doing. Some even offered their help. These armchair critics all thanked you and put their input in this http://maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,4748.0.html
You maybe have phoned some people for help and they refused but you never posted in the Forum that you needed help. I am sure that a few people would have found the time to help you. So you can not say that 'when push comes to shove, I only see my shadow' you never asked for help in the Forum. From last July of last year there is no post posted by you that the Fisheries are doing what they want and never consult you, that for a whole year the board never met, that you are getting annoyed with the way the fisheries are doing things. We only got to know about these things today from your last 2 posts.
You cannot blame people if they start asking questions when they hear these things. When you were in the same situation last year when you found out about the proposed new regulations you went all out against the bad things and argued a lot so that the MFF would have a say in these proposed regulations. So now that you are in a better position to make our voice heard you are going to keep silent by resigning. . A captain does not abandon his ship during a storm.
You are absolutely right buzz, i came out with all guns blazing last year, to ensure that the dirt being discussed behind pur backs was stopped. When people really need something, or need to contact me, they send me a PM. This time instead of using the PM to request updates, people logged onto the public forum and demanded an update, asked a lot of questions, put forward what should have been done...blablabla.....
Faced with this, as i have already explained...i get nothing out of this....anzi...i forfiet my own leave to attend meetings, my own fuel to get me to meetings, my very own time...and above all, i do not recieve a remuneration as a fisheries board member. Unlike most of the fisheries board members, i do not have a vested interest in fishing activities, my bread and butter comes from somewhere else. Until recently, inwas prepared to go along with this...however, when i am faced with uncalled for comments, ungrateful behaviour, and what not...then the time comes to take stock of the situation, and turn my back on all this, because frankly speaking, there is not even one of you guys, (except Nick) who knows how much time and effort i put into all this, and then, this is the thank you i recieve...well guys, bhal ma jghid il malti, hbieb konna u mija nibqaw...imma thanks, but not hanks.
You are right that it takes a lot of sacrifice to go at these meetings and nobody said otherwise.
The people you are referring to logged onto the MALTA FISHING FORUM to ask questions to the representative of the MALTA FISHING FORUM and not on another public forum that has nothing to do with MALTA FISHING FORUM. What was happening should have been updated on the MALTA FISHING FORUM and not someone sends a PM for an update. What is wrong with getting updates on MALTA FISHING FORUM.
like you said a year ago
" Appreciate the acknowledgement. I have nothing to hide, I have always made myself perfectly clear on this matter. I was, and still am against people who by being in authority think they can bulldoze their ideas and thoughts on others. There is nothing being done behind anyone's back.
I simply stated that I'll post the full text of our meeting from home as I am busy at work. Unlike others, here at the Malta Fishing Forum we always did things openly, in full view of everybody, and with the involvment of all. "
Buzz, i wasn't referring to that kind of information sharing. The point is nothing is happening. Qed tifhem issa!
I cannot understand why i keep being asked things, when i posted in the beginning, NOTHING IS HAPPENiNG.
I am aware that the federation requested the MFC & S registration issue to be discussed during the next board meeting.
The fisheries board meeting has been rescheduled 3 times in the past month.
Issa xbajt, tqzzizt, u iddejjaqt. And since some of you seem to know much mor then i do how things should be done, then why not....i will step down and allow you guys to take over. Its not a question of the captain leaving a sinking ship, however i must turn my back on an ungrateful attitude and people who just join here to criticize without taking heed of the consequences.
And another thing buzz, where were you when people here were asking for my resignation....now you have it. Good luck!
Whenever anybody asks me a question....I will answer it without being offended or try to insult anybody.....................................If,on the other hand,someone is offended,just because I ask a question,TOUGH LUCK!
You are not even worth the trouble calda
Good to know..............But,come to think of it,I created all the trouble by asking two simple questions.
Quote from: caldaland on July 14, 2014, 00:43:30 CET
Good to know..............But,come to think of it,I created all the trouble by asking two simple questions.
Hanqa ta hmar, qatt ma telghet is-sema
Il-hmar il-maghkus idur ghalih id-dubbien!
To begin with I don't know the_Gaffer personally but for all of you who are taking it all out with the_Gaffer and keep asking him what is happening ? and his replies are always '' at this stage there is nothing happening'' and with this kind of replies you are not satisfied.
So why not taking his offer then and take his post or you're all full of energy just to criticize instead of taking action and start sacrificing your time like the Gaffer was doing. If one of you take this advice it all stops here and as you are saying things will get in progress right !
U biex inkompli ma ta fuq Caldaland tidher li ghandek il potenzjalita ghal post li ghandu l Gaffer !
Thank you imma no thank you Galea.
U biex inkompli ma ta fuq Galea,biex tkun fuq il-board,irid jahtrek l-hon.Galdes,u nehhieha min rasek li ser jahtar lili.
Joe you went to speak in the name of the Forum and with the help of the Forum you were appointed on the board. At that time nobody asked any questions how this happened. Everybody thanked you for this and maybe they thought that you were the best person for this job, you had a lot of energy and determination. You made arguments and convinced everyone that things were going to change. Now a year after everything is the same or maybe worse. You should vent your frustration on those people that a year ago promised you that the way how things are done were going to change for the better and not on someone who asks questions on something that he was promised a year ago and has not seen any results yet.
If now after a year on the board you lost hope that things will ever change it is a different thing.
No worries buzz, if you want my place, i will support you
Gaffer,
If the Prim Minister resigned every time he receives criticism then we would have an election every ten seconds. However I must agree that here you received some very unconstructive criticism that must really hurt. Especially when you are facing a wall on the fisheries board. If you resign I can understand that. But I wouldn't. You tend to take criticism badly because you put a lot of effort in it and feel betrayed by your comrades. Well personally I never heard any one calling for you to resign and personally I think that if you resign we will lose an asset in our fight to safeguard our hobby. Your energy is more than welcome.
I agree with redhead 100%. I don't know Gaffer personally (and neither do I know other forum members involved in this issue) but from what I read here, I think much of the criticism directed at the Gaffer is unfounded and unfair - from what I read here some people are finding it difficult to accept the simple fact that not much that concerns the amateur fisherman has been discussed at the Fisheries board and therefore Gaffer doesn't really have much to update us about.
When a real issue cropped up, namely the fact that permits for fads for amateur clubs have been refused, Gaffer directly contacted the minister about this issue, To be honest I can't see what more we can expect from our representative when after all, this is all being done on a voluntary basis with no personal gain.
unfortunately I am not very good when it comes to to push forward an argument during these meetings. You need to have a very persuasive way when you make your arguments and convince the others that what you are saying is good. I can help in other ways but not as a representative on the board.
I do hope that they don't just push through the pervious set of draft regulations without first discussing them again. Whilst the sub-committee worked hard on the proposals, as can be seen from our objections there were still several issues which either didn't make sense, needed clarification or were felt to be unfair on recreational fishermen.
I'm sure there is pressure from various entities including the EU for Malta to put something in place ASAP and this is where my concerns would be as it's easy to just put something in place where the work has already been done.
I trust that the Hon. Galdes will put his foot down where it is clearly needed, as Fisheries have gone through a difficult time of the past 12 months or so.
In view that I know Gaffer personally, I must say that we have been through this passion of fishing for years now. I remember when years ago we used to be alone fishing for albacore and searching for fish for several days at sea (few boats around). I think that such people need to think and evaluate before spreading anything here on the forum, as in this field we need people who have experience on all related criteria, and not only know the basics of how the fishing regulations were issued to MFC & S in particular. As Shanook stated before, in the first message of this discussion, he made a very relevant point were NO ONE pointed out this issue. Nowadays with the increase of recreational fishermen around, I am afraid that not every comment is appropriately used based on past experiences, and we are hitting the nail on its head, as the repercussions are getting worse to us. We need people who are the same scale as us (recreational), who support us in the meetings and federation, as this is a group for MFC & S. Otherwise if this not happens I am afraid that the laws and methods we are used to fish with will get more worse as every individual who is not in our category, for sure will work in favour of other catagerories. What I can say is that in result of this certain laws which are being abided by us are getting worse and worse each day with no meaning at all. Also we have to keep in mind that at the moment certain winch rooms around the island have difficulties, and cannot be used appropriately after investigations by the institutions. From experience once again I have to say that we need experienced recreational fisherman, both here on this channel forum, and at the fisheries. This forum was aimed to adhere MFC & S, so lets support it.
If you look into what law we have to abide and adhere, us MFC and S, is rather unbelievable. Starting from the catching of Atlantic Blue Fin Tuna Law for us recreational (controlled by ICCAT), to several more. We are loaded with extremes that its more viable to put the boat aside on shore and change our hobby, than going fishing anymore. These laws were imposed by people responsible for the what' so called Controlled fishing. If one looks deeply inside these laws one can see that some off are out of point, and indirectly imposed and created for us to adhere other categories. If you look at the brighter side, both MFA and MFB have a red carpet on their feet, including also the government scheme on fuel expense, and all that they managed to get in favour of them through the years with the help of the co-operatives - everyone knows how they control the industry. If you look at our federation and small clubs, there's a huge volume of people who speaks without basics, in view that we need to be as one to bring again what has been taken from us through these past 10 years. In view of all this, this week fisheries department have issued notifications re the Lampuki season with the exact distance to keep from the kannizati and related (heavy laws). Can I ask a question if the employees working at the Fisheries department have a basic knowledge on what is happening, and who they really support and listen to.......
No fisheries don't have an idea about the sea or fishing. What they are stating in the new rules about fads is that if you are around Gozo and want to go to hurds bank you cannot take a straight line as you would cross the fads, you do not have enough space to pass in between them. If you are in any port for that matter and want to go deep sea fishing you cannot go straight to your fishing spot......what a load of bull....and all this to safeguard the commercial. Close to shore lampuki are not that abundant except for a few fads that have a favorable seabed. The fish are usually caught offshore where the recreational does not venture out, or at least just a few do.
I'd like to see how this will apply to commercial traffic on the East Coast. If they are going to impose these regulations, then Cimi should be layed from 12nm out to allow those free movement within territorial waters.
The weak and vulnerable have lost the land......the sea........space is next!
well at least i cannot complain of being constipated......
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Ma nafx jekk nidhakx jew ninfaqa nibki......Ma niftakarni qatt li konna hekk fil passat !!!
MA NISTAX NIFHEM GHALFEJN DAWN IL BSATEN FIR ROTI KOLLHA GHLINA D-DILETTANTI......MINFLOKK NPARLAW FIL VOJT F'HAFNA TOPICS GHAWN GEJ AHJAR NARAW XSER NGHAMLU BIEX NERGAW LURA GHAL DAK LI KELNA FIL PASSAT, GHAX EMNUNI RESQIN GHAL GOL HAJT !!
ILNA SNIN NISTADU BHALA DILETTANTI MAC CIMI LI JITFAW L-GHAQDIET (LI SUPPOST JISSEJHU HEKK)....KIENET TA TRADIZZJONI GO PAJJIZNA...NIFTAHRU TANT BIJHA....XQED JIGRI ?? MIN HUMA IN NIES LI QED JIRAPREZENTAW LGHAQDIET !!...HUMA KATEGORIJI TA 'MFC' JEW 'S', JEW XI FORMA TA KATEGORIJI LI JKUNU JAPPARTJENU IL KATEGORIJI LOHRAJN KOLLHA MINBARRA DAK LI HUWA TGHANA....
Jigifieri,jekk qed nifhem sew jien,malta qed tipproponi dawn ir-regolamenti. U hag' ohra,dawn mhux regoli jew ligijiet,izda proponimenti,qed nghid sew jew?
Quote from: Pauline Tuna on July 23, 2014, 15:28:08 CET
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Dr. Andreina Fenech Farrugia (Director General Fisheries) .... and Ms Lucienne Cassar – bir-rispett kollu lejhom – zewg nisa fuq il-board tal-Fisheries – fejn ghandi d-dubji tieghi jekk jgharfux cawla minn denci ahsab u ara kemm jifhmu fis-sajd tradizzjonali Malti ???
Pauline Tuna, I posted this topic as on the federation site there is clearly written that it represents the MFB and that the MFC were included only after the insistence of Dr Carabott. So the fFEDERATION is PRO MFB.
I was told that these regulations/modifications/adjustments/proposals etc were proposed to the EU 2 years ago.
Now i do not care who proposed them what I care is that they are being implemented and not discarded. So far I didnt have a very positive reaction, although there is a promise that a compromise will be reached.
Personally I do not care about compromise or the benevolence of who is in power, we are out of the medieval age, what I care about and what the amateur/recreational fisherman needs, are clear cut rules that govern this category without comparison to the commercial.
I was shocked to say the least when a person in authority stated that the commercials have regulations and we recreationals DO NOT HAVE ANY.
Shanook.....you come from way back experience as an amateur fisherman...you and who understand what's behind all the agenda are right (not only lampuki..but the whole lot of topics).....Someone needs to think about the MFC's and S in particular....MFC is a category that are being referred to as doing harm to the other categories in questions...this is what is all about.....talk to an MFA and an MFB in particular and see what comes out when speaking about the recreational permit of TUNA...the first thing they come back with is ' how come does your permit is valid when ours is closed'...on another example; speak about the catching of your own lampuki, all they tell you is that they saw alot of people on their cimi, and whatsoever language related....plse people open your mind and think in relation with our MFC category and who the real people who safeguard us are !!!
Well sorry to say this but at the moment we do not have anyone who is representing the MFC and S, its all pro MFB and MFA.
the ones in a position to make a difference are either ignorant of the needs of MFC/S or are easily dissuaded by the commercials.
1. The management plan does not anywhere mention recreational fishermen and the laying of FADS
2. It is simply a proposed management plan and not a law cast in stone
3. The management plan is not designed by the EU but by fisheries. So it is pointless for fisheries to argue that the management plan does not allow for recreational fishermen to lay FADS - Fisheries came up with the plan - if the plan was designed to prohibit recreational fishermen from catching a lampuka it is fisheries that are responsible for this - they cannot blame anybody but themselves.
4. It does not make sense at all that recreational fishermen (that includes those with mfc and s boats as well as the thousands of shore fishermen) are represented by a federation that also represents the MFBs - MFBs are part of the commercial fishing fleet and are in no way recreational fishermen.
5. We had an MFF representative on the fisheries board but the way things turned out we are now not represented by anybody
I will intervene once on this, and shut my mouth for good on this subject. The management plan was drawn up by the fisheries dept 2 years ago, in a haste, as usual. They did it because Malta was lagging behind, and so needed to ensure that they were in line in case the EU started infringement proceedings. as usual, a raw pen pusher who could not tell the difference between a fishing rod and a barge pole, was commissioned to draw up the management plan. The whole saga of the management plan is just a decoy. What actually happened is this. The commercial fishermen complained to the PL government ministry that recreational fishermen were selling their lampuki catch at the fish market (pixkerijja)....the chief of staff together with the Parliamentary Secretary told me that this practice was not right, and had to stop. I challenged them both to admit that the law was being broken inside the Pixkerija as a sale needs to be registered by VAT receipt.....they fell silent. They said the recreational FADs were a source of income to the recreTional fishermen, as these were allowing recreational fishermen to increase their catch of Lampuki, and so theycould also sell it at the pixkerija. This is the true version...mela the management plan. I fear thst the whole fisheries has been hijacked by incompetent people who are basically pen pushers and bench heaters...quoting text and laws as it suits them. i could never allow myself to be part of this farce....whatever the outcome. Before the March general elections i used to critisise the pn government of innefficiency, and doing things to please the EU. This government is much much worse....apart from the dellitantism demonstrated by people who are running the show, they are basically all for the commercials, and totally against the recreationals. In 16 months, i have had to fight my way through BS, beurocracy and venom, yes venom spouting out of the mouths of people who should know better and support our cause. Like they say in the younger generation.....nough said.
Since when,asking questions is classified as venom. If I did not ask questions,a lot of things would not have surfaced. This is called inquiring.
Quote from: caldaland on July 23, 2014, 19:20:14 CET
Since when,asking questions is classified as venom. If I did not ask questions,a lot of things would not have surfaced. This is called inquiring.
May the good Lord have mercy on you....i was not referring to you in that post....read again
I tend to agree with gaffer said the management plan is all a decoy - many may not have bothered to read it but its whole rationale is highly flawed - from the conservation point of view Malta's lampuki fisheries do not need any management - Catches of lampuki have been consistent for many years. The document itself states "this stability shows that when considered on its own, the Maltese lampuki fishery is sustainable, since catches remained stable over a long series of years". the document then goes on to state that "Since the fishery is predominantly shared with other Member States and third countries, Malta cannot unilaterally identify actions in order to manage these stocks"
Yet, in its wisdom fisheries now contradicts itself and has managed to identify an action to manage these stocks - namely trying to prevent recreational fishermen from catching lampuki - zero impacts on conservation but it keeps the commercial fishermen happy!
"yes venom spouting out of the mouths of people who should know better and support our cause". I should know and supports the cause,so that includes me......................and I need no mercy from no Lord or otherwise, but its good to know you did not have me in mind.
The problem is such that the PS is in favour of the commerciall, I don't know what he has been told and by whom. He is not into fishing but relies on what he is told. I thought that he will be consulting us, recreational fisherman, one through Joe (the gaffer) and two with the federation and thirdly directly with us through a meeting, we have to put pressure on those who govern to see our side of the story.
Oh by the way I am accepting bets that our tuna quota will be reduced drastically next year........any takers
well, last Monday the reps of the federation had a meeting with the fisheries regarding the fads. As joe said the plan and other topics where raised. No decision had been taken, but the matter has gone up a level higher and its in the politicians hands. So whatever the outcome you will know who has decided on this issue. will wait and revert.
All 3 people mentioned in the report in the said meeting,have been employed with the fisheries after last election,need I say more?
Whoever proposed the new rules done wrong, whoever implemended the rules done worse!
To be fair Max the proposals were done before the PL came into power.....did the federation representative know about them??
Is something going to be done......we have to wait and see.
If the proposals were submitted, then they were sanctioned by the PN and the fisheries....as you said new government, new employees and as you know a department has to abide and follow what was set in place by the previous government.......then one starts changing......but if it's been submitted to EU then it takes time and discussions to change it.
Im still convinced it could have easily not being implimented. And it was implimented by this current goverment and company.
After all..........this is maltese doing and not some E.U. law.
We are being taken for a ride by all those that count................its time for us to stamp our feet and say enough is enough!!!!!!!
How can we proceed about it?
Trapping of birds is a E.U. law but the gov was adamant and opened the season. Doesnt the fishermens votes count like those of the trappers? So lets stop this bullshit!
Ganni,let us meet at that dinner and we will talk there.
suppost nduru dawra ;D