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Title: Particular Lure
Post by: The_Gaffer on May 05, 2008, 11:23:52 CET
Guys!
This is one of my best Alungi/Tuna/Pastardella lures.  I've had it for 8 years now, and the battles I've had have now taken a beating on this lure.  Notice the skirt on the lure.  Does anyone know where I can buy this lure either in Malta or over the internet?
Thanks,
Joe
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Post by: Gazzetta on May 05, 2008, 11:50:14 CET
Maybe the brand name will help !! Try asking the one you bought it from.  I have a similar one by Williamson.

Chris  8)
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Post by: The_Gaffer on May 05, 2008, 12:26:18 CET
Chris,

It is a williamson lure.  I bought it 8 years ago from a tackle shop in Kalkara.  Went by the other day to the shop, but they didn't have them.  Where do you buy yours from.
P.S. If you have a similar lure, you're garuanteed alungi this season.  Swim that lure from the middle of the boat, set the distance between 40-60mtres away from the stern....bomba!!!.....I had nicknamed my lure the king!!
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Post by: Gazzetta on May 05, 2008, 12:28:13 CET
Try Mister Fish and Fishing World in Naxxar, both have very nice suqid lures.

Chris 8)
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Post by: The_Gaffer on May 05, 2008, 12:51:22 CET
Thanks Chris.  Will visit the shops later on this afternoon.
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Post by: skip on May 05, 2008, 12:53:24 CET
Joe, put the picture in the Misc Gallery section and we can embed it in the post. Makes it easier than word docs. Skip
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Post by: redbus9 on May 07, 2008, 19:51:55 CET
Hi every one,just bought some simmilar lures from cabelas in usa.3 jet heads or smokers as the yanks call then,and 6 surface poppers,same as we used when we caught blue fin on skips boat with twoutes last september.jet heads were $6.95 and poppers were $3.45 each will post a picture shortly.each lure 7ins long with varying colour of skirts.
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Post by: visa on May 09, 2008, 22:55:58 CET
hey i bought two lures only last week from mister fish and what more he had them on clearance sale and got them for 2.50 euros each and shanook rigged them up for me (thanks Shanook) about 7 inces long same cols as you have shown and also a purple one will try them out soon, he also had a set of six lures also 7 inches long for a price if i remember correctly of Lm12
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Post by: Simon G on May 11, 2008, 07:35:01 CET
it is a williamson fishing world have
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Post by: redbus9 on May 11, 2008, 17:42:13 CET
Hi guys, I,ve just posted some pictures of the lures I,ve bought in the miscellaeneouse section of the gallery.Are these the type your looking for?
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 11, 2008, 19:51:18 CET
Nice set of lures you've got there Keith. Do you know what mono they are rigged up with 130lbs, 150, 200lbs etc?

My only advice would be to change the std mono to fluorocarbon to increase the strike rate depending how long the leader is. All my lures I bought came pre-rigged with 150 or 200lbs mono and we noticed that due to the clear water, we weren't getting the ratio of strikes that other's were experiencing. As soon as we tested and re-rigged one to fluorocarbon it all changed.
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Post by: redbus9 on May 11, 2008, 20:06:34 CET
i30lbs mono, 8/0 hook, 80lbs swivel. approx 2m leader.
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Post by: shanook on May 11, 2008, 20:24:54 CET
Man u rig way to heavy for alungi......
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Post by: shanook on May 11, 2008, 20:27:02 CET
gaffer how about u buy a skirt and feathers and redress ur lure. That is if the head is still ok. If the head has faded and is scratched badly then buy new.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 11, 2008, 20:56:59 CET
Keith I would definately change to 130lbs (if you want to keep same rating) Blackwater Fluorocarbon as it has some built in stretch (shock) unlike most fluoro which doesn't. Fin has the crimp set so it shouldn't be a problem to re-rig as is if you're interested.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 11, 2008, 21:03:43 CET
Quote from: shanook on May 11, 2008, 20:24:54 CET
Man u rig way to heavy for alungi......

I personally don't think there's such a thing as rigging too heavy, except for costs. If you use fluorocarbon there's no reason to have rig at 40lbs etc which is what you need to do with std mono to keep visibility down.

Whilst I accept that for most people you can probably make do with 40-60lbs, if you do come across something bigger, like a bluefin or two on the same line at the same time as happened to us, you'll be happy you're not running light rigging!

If you have a small reel then granted no point unless you're running Spectra backing, but if you're using a bigger 50lbs class reel/rod then I personally believe in being prepared rather than losing out on that once in a season fish that might come along. It's a question of money of course, fluoro is expensive especially the heavy stuff, as are 50lbs reels/rods in general.

But I also like the peace of mind that with a 50lbs reel which can handle a good amount of line 650yards+ like the 115L or some of the 50's I have, you can take your time fighting a big fish, won't run out of line and are less likely to have a break midway through the fight.

Plus most trolling lures you buy from abroad will always come rigged with a minimum of 130lbs mono unfortunately, which means re-rigging either way.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: The_Gaffer on May 12, 2008, 07:18:40 CET
I've searched all over the main tackle shops in Malta, but couldn't find this particular lure.  Its the skirt that is particular, not the colours.  I'll try the small shops now, like George at B'bugia, or George at M'xlokk.  The head is still OK, though the skirt is damaged.  Best I could find was replacement skirts from ta' Bormla at Mosta.  But the skirt is not the same make, although the colours are the same.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 12, 2008, 10:16:29 CET
Not sure if these will work for you http://www.anglerscenter.com/lures_replacement_skirts.htm

Williamson don't seem to offer replacement skirts so worst case you might have to buy a new one to get it identical.

Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: The_Gaffer on May 12, 2008, 14:40:41 CET
Skip - bought the same skirts from ta' bormla in Mosta.  Thye are not like the one's on the lure.  I am more then willing to buy a new lure, just need to find the source
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 12, 2008, 15:23:59 CET
Did you go directly to Williamsom Lures's website and see if its still a current model. Otherwise the www !!
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Post by: The_Gaffer on May 12, 2008, 16:36:48 CET
accessed the Williamson site, not in their current lineup.  Accessed a few fishing tackle websites that I know of, nothing there.  still trying to locate the lure.  Skip, this is a killer lure, caught over 300 Alungi on this particular since I bought it 10yrs ago.  Lost it last year to a giant pastardella...had the fish reaady for gaffing, and the current just suddenly changed direction. Had the line tangled in the prop, and the fish cut the leader...lost the fish(no worries) but also the lure.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: redbus9 on May 12, 2008, 17:58:57 CET
Try www.cabelas they have a good selection of lures.Skip,why do you want to crimp the line if I re-rig the lures with flurocarbon,why not tie them on?
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Post by: shanook on May 12, 2008, 20:30:52 CET
did u try ZUKER lures. If u have a close up of the lure one might identify it. I have seen those particular skirts they are like tapered ones if my memory serves me right not just long straight strips.
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Post by: skip on May 13, 2008, 08:16:28 CET
Hi Keith, I think if you look closely at your lure you will find it has been crimped and then has a plastic type heat shrink protector over the crimp. They are considered to give better results I believe than tying a knot, though I stand to be corrected
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Post by: redbus9 on May 13, 2008, 19:37:55 CET
Hi Skip,I,ve had another look,they are knotted for sure.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 13, 2008, 20:36:03 CET
Even easier to change then :)
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Post by: shanook on May 13, 2008, 20:40:30 CET
Over 1mm i would definetly crimp... My friend only believes in crimps its NO NO with knots for him....
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: The_Gaffer on May 16, 2008, 10:55:13 CET
Hi Guys,

Posted some pics of the Williamson lure in question in the Gallery-Miscellaneous Section.  It is 10inches long, and composed of 3 layers.  Went to fishing world, but they said they don't have this lure.  Not in the current lure line up of lures offered on the Williamson site either.  Tried finding a contact for Williamson lures, but there isn't any on their site.  If any of you come across this particular lure on the web, please let me know. 

(http://www.maltafishingforum.com/images/wlure.jpg)
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: shanook on May 16, 2008, 11:59:28 CET
Are u sure thats a Williamson lure? I have my doubts. Looks like its a custom made lure, but again somewhere I saw those skirts if only I remember where. I had a look on internet of all the lure manufacturers that I know of and nothing. Did the lure have feathers or just skirts. if u keep the original u can always manufacture one urself. the head being in Stainless or brass or resin.See what u can do if not let me know and I try to help u in anyway i can
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: The_Gaffer on May 16, 2008, 12:10:52 CET
Hi Shanook,
Yes, definitely a Williamson, it says so on the logo embedded in the head.  No, no feathers, just 3 plastic layers.  I have thought about producing the same lure myself.  The head would have to be resin, the colour of the plastic layers might be problematic to source.  However, I still beleive that somewhere out there (on the internet) some online tackle site might have this particular lure in stock.  We'll see.
By the way Shanook, are you from B'Bugia, do you know a guy called Yanis...also a great big game fisher having a Kaptan 18' twin Toyota diesel inboard?
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: shanook on May 16, 2008, 12:24:45 CET
yep know Yanis, he uses the lures i used to get from USA. Know all the rst of the guys there as i used to fish there. Those were the days, we used to be 6 boats together. Brother, Clara, Farfett and his brother, Yanis, Lamacca etc...
The lure is very similar (at least from the pic) to a green machine but with feathers.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 16, 2008, 14:33:06 CET
Will ask around, you sure it's 10 inches long?
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Post by: The_Gaffer on May 17, 2008, 08:41:35 CET
Yes skip, absolutely certain.  I measured it. 
Shanook, know most of the guys you mentioned, though we just meet during the alungi competition organised by the 3 clubs. 
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Post by: Gazzetta on May 17, 2008, 09:43:07 CET
Farfett has a KAPTAN boat ? He works in Kordin doing stainless steel railings, canopies etc etc ??

Chris  8)
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: ciappinu on May 17, 2008, 10:07:17 CET
I just a bought a lure very similar to that from Mr. Fish. I'll take a pic later and post it. It was in one of those miscallaneous bags which he has on sale outside.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: skip on May 17, 2008, 10:40:39 CET
http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/forum/rigging-corner/11792-trying-find-lure.html (http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/forum/rigging-corner/11792-trying-find-lure.html)

As you said it's probably definately a Williamson but a very old one and no longer available. It seems that http://www.bahamalure.com (http://www.bahamalure.com) make something similar.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: fava on May 22, 2008, 22:30:39 CET
hey the gaffer,  i've been search for about 1-2 hours....the closest lure  maybe as skip told you but of a different make could be seen below...

http://www.alltackle.com/black_bart_teasers.htm
http://www.alltackle.com/black_bart_braziliano_teaser.htm
http://www.alltackle.com/black_bart_brazil_projet_teaser.htm

just to tell you....they are a bit expensive..
what do you think m8???
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: camkev on August 17, 2009, 22:36:07 CET
I have 2 of these killer lures(Williamson),1 the exact colour that gaffer is looking for and another blue one.Big boy saw them they are 100% alike.
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: bigboy on August 17, 2009, 22:40:37 CET
Yepp i second camkev :P Gaffer toffri 200 Euro al wahda minnom ????? :P

Kev this is our last hope to get a nice prized fish :P

Actually you got a great selection of big game lures now :P :P :P
Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: The_Gaffer on August 18, 2009, 09:41:33 CET
Thanks for the offer Bigboy, but no thanks  :P :P

The King will always be the King, however (there always has to be a 'however') I'm training a new lure to be the king.  A lure which has till now proved to be a killer for both Alongi and BFT :o :o

No, I won't be revealing the make, design or colour.   ;D ;D

Title: Re: Particular Lure
Post by: bigboy on August 18, 2009, 09:49:34 CET
good one joe :P