Guys,
We've settled on a date of Saturday 12th July (with a backup overflow day of Sunday 13th in case of weather) for the first forum offshore trolling competition, which will be open to all; Members and Non-Members who want to take part. We will most likely have a TV crew covering the event to be featured on the Misterfisherman TV programme.
The competition will follow a pretty standard format and there will be a main prize and a prize for the largest fish, along with possibly some token runner up prizes. Trophies will be presented along with the prizes which will probably be in the form of vouchers from the main event sponsor Mister Fish, we will have to see which additional sponsors we can get.
At the prize giving which will ideally be done on Sunday evening, there will also be a raffle going to raise money for the forum and future activities with a good piece of fishing equipment being the main raffle prize, and the chance to buy some Malta Fishing Forum merchandise which I hope will be on offer prior to the competition start.
I would ideally like to close-off the registration for the competition either on the Thursday evening, where there will be a briefing and all the necessary paperwork will be sorted out. That way due to the early start on Saturday morning we won't have to go through all these hassles. All boats will be required to report to an offshore starting point to give chance for everyone to converge on one spot for the start.
These are my idea's so far, but let's discuss them in this thread so that we can fine tune.
Skip
Skip,
My suggestion is that 1st prize should be awarded to the boat that lands the most alungi, and weight consideration should be taken into account if there are 2 or more competitors placing 1st with the same amount of fish. I am not too sure what ou mean by the points system. Would that suggest that there will be a handicap applied to fast boats, big boats ect.
Essentially yes that was my idea that there would be a handicap, these were my thoughts to enable us to all start at the same time and avoid having to have two different classes. Nothing is set in stone, if we all agree there's no need then no worries. It would be impossible and I don't think practical to enforce a maximum distance, but obviously smaller boats can't leave 12nm so are restricted in terms of which xifer's they can fish on. Speed of the boat isn't an issue but reckon available fishing territory so to speak could be.
Open to suggestions about how 1st place should be decided, but what are the reasons why you don't think total weight should be the deciding factor?
Lets say I catch 3 fish of 6 kg each that makes 18kg total. So if one catches 1 of 18.5kg he is the winner........ i think it should be the number of fish caught that determines the winner but a prize should be set for the biggest fish.
regarding speed or distance thats a matter of luck. At the moment alungi are being caught in the 10 mile zone. but i presume that the smaller boats should speak their mind here and post their suggestions.
I agree that quantity landed should determine who wins the competition, and weight should only be considered when 2 or more boats come in with the same amount caught. Its not a question of smaller boats staying in the 12 mile zone, but registration. S registered boats are not allowed to leave the 12 mile zone, but its an open secret that they do leave, and troll in open waters further beyond the 12 mile limit!, so who will monitor this during the competition.
Another consideration:
Is this a trolling competition, or an exclusive Albacore trolling competition. The 1st implies that all fish caught during the competitiion, including alungi, Med sail fish, BFT ect are considered as valid cathces for the competition, the 2nd restricts the validitity of fish caught exclusively to Albacore(alungi)
These are considereations that need to be clarified at the earliest stage possible.
When other clubs around Malta organise trolling competitions for Alungi,
1. The valid catch is restricted exclusively to Alungi
2. No handicap is applied to boat size, speed, registration
I am not in fishing alungi because I don't have a boat but at least I would like to come and see your catches when you will come in from the competition.What I can suggest is if a good quantity of alungi is cought we could do an alungata not a fenkata and do the presentation of the winners there.
This coming Sunday (22nd June) the Marsamxett club is organising a fishing competition for alungi and to give you an idea of how we work it out it's as follows:
- Prior to the start of the competition (eg. 4:30am but this is still unconfirmed) all boats must tie up to a jetty where club officials will inspect each boat to check it out. (eg. that there are no konzijiet on board, no precaught fish, etc)
- All boats leave together at the hooting of a horn or on the VHF
- Boats are free to pick the fishing grounds that they want
- By a certain time (eg. 4:30am but this is still unconfirmed) all boats must have returned to the jetty to have their catch checked by the club officers. Anyone returning even 1 minute after this deadline is disqualified.
- Prizes are based on the number of fish caught with only alungi counting
- In the case of a tie, weight is factored in
- A separate prize is awarded for the biggest fish caught.
If anyone is going to be out on Sunday feel free to drop me a ring on 99882615 or call me on VHF ch6. My nick there is Jonathan too.
I meant something like 1pm for closing time
excellent idea spitec
can i spear them ;D ;D
Guys,
Been discussing some of the finer details today, will try and post some more info shortly so that we can present a clearer picture. But here's a small summary:
1) The competition will be a trolling competition for pelagic fish
2) We will be using a points based system to determine the winner
3) Any vessel choosing to use more than 4 rods/lines will start off with a % points deduction per additional rod in order to even the playing field.
4) We are aiming to have two start points and one finish point being 2 miles off from Filfla so that there is a central finishing point for everyone, say by 2.30pm. Catches will be checked quickly at the finish point and sealed for weighing in later on at the official weigh station (to be determined), allowing boats to return to their respective home ports, clean up etc.
The points based system will essentially be X points per fish landed, with different points per species, things like bluefin and spearfish will carry more points. Then there will be X number of points in addition per 500g of fish weight. So you will be scoring points both for the number of fish caught and their respective weight. You will also score higher if you land more unsual pelagic fish.
The competition has been changed to a straight trolling competition for pelagic fish in order to appeal to a wider audience and because every other local competition seems to be just for Alungi, so we may as well try and improve on things.
More details to follow....
Skip,
I have no problem with the rules, except I would subsitute number of rods with number of lines fishing.
Skip, I agree with your line of thinking but I think that there are a few points which we need to amend to make it easier to administer:
1 I would first start by defining the species which can be caught to keep things clear and avoid something like "other unusual pelagic fish". And re other local competitions, several other trolling competitions are held locally for pelagic fish (like tumbrell, plamti, kubrit, pixxispad, pastardell, lampuki, etc) but these general competitions are held later on in the year. It is only the competitions in June & July which are restricted to alungi only.
2 Re the number of lines / rod down, I think that this is an almost impossible thing to check. How would a person know how many lines are being simultaneoulsy put down / used as spare / etc? I would either leave this penalty system out completely or at most I would just factor in the size of the boat which is a much easier thing to check / confirm.
3 Re the close of the competition, I think you had an offshore area in mind. This is OK in flat calm water but in anything above that it's not so easy to transfer a person from a boat to another to seal / count the fish and back. Perhaps a simpler idea migth be every boat will finish in the same area where it started and have like 2 finish points given that we have people coming from different areas of Malta.
These are just my ideas - of course feel free to pick and drop as you deem fit.
Basically when the boat is checked the number of rods/hand lines is counted. No boat may carry more than it chooses to register except one spare which will be sealed with a marked cable tie and only used if a rod/reel fails and they radio in the problem that they need to change. It's not actually that hard to administer, the 'difficulty' comes if people start wanting to use hand-lines rather than rods, but just like boats are checked for fish already on board etc etc, they will be checked for the numbers of rods/reel/hand lines.
My concern is that if we just factor in the size of the boat, one is then discrminating against the boat size which isn't really the issue. The advantage that larger boats have is that they can generally put more rods/lines into the water and as I think everyone will agree that makes a huge difference.
We can define further, but pelagic fish are pelagic fish! If they are listed on fishbase accordingly then there shouldn't be any issues, but we can actually list them ourselves if that would be better.
The concern with the finish point is this: If boats are coming from the North, Central and South, where does one have the finish point that will be fair for everyone. If it's B'Bugia that's fine for the guys who berth there, but everyone else has to go out of their way to get there. If we do two finish points one south and one north, the time taken to reach the North finish point will be very different from the time taken to reach the south finish point if the majority of the fishing is being done in the south.
If someone can suggest a sheltered bay mid-way along the west coast I am all for it, perhaps somewhere like Fomm Ir-Rih. Remember that all the other competitions tend to be village/town based, ie. the B'Bugia competition etc, so there one expects boat to start and leave from that location. But with the forum is 'nationwide' so to speak!! So somehow we need to accomodate this, without over-complicating things.
The only way we can achieve this is like we are doing here, with a healthy discussion and bouncing idea's off each other, though I have to say that we see to have very limited interest so far in the competition.
One way to sort this in my opinion is for those interested in participating to post their boat size, where they berth. this way one can come some kind of decision without speculating what can happen
Shanook: kaptan twin 6mtr. B"bugia.
Skip, I followed up your comment and just did a search on fishbase - Malta and pelagic fish and amongst others you get lacci, tumbrell, kavalli, imsell, kavalli, lizz, stril... !
Lol I think that after reading this, you begin to understand why when there is an open competition (i.e. not just alungi) all the fish which count are listed beforehand and each species is given a certain number of points. Otherwise, one can just stay pottering inside a harbour with a canoe and if it's total fish caught which counts, he's guaranteed a sure win over the flashiest of sportsboats which would be fishing miles offshore for big game! ;D
Re counting number of rods and handlines, how would you go about this - checking every compartment and nook and cranny and bag on every boat? How about spare lures? Just pop in a spool of nylon and voila - another handline is born! :) It would probably end up just asking the owner to give you his count and counting on honesty and sportsmanship. Since I feel that none of these 2 approaches are practical I'ld say either do away completely with the penalty system or go for something simpler such as boat size, as it is generally proportionate to beam which enbales one to put more lines down if he so wishes. Lol the only disadvantaged person could be someone coming along with a sailing boat, which is 30 or 40feet long but just around 4 feet wide at the stern, meaning 2 lines down max and put-putting out from Msida and back at 6 knots max. Hey on second thoughts I think I'ld be better off joining forces with someone else and leaving my boat resting on the day !! ::)
Re finish point, I agree that this isn't an easy thing to settle. Who are the guys with their boats up North and what are their recommendations about this matter?
Re competitions, in the "national" Alungi competition which is co-organised by the Birzebbuga, Marsamxett and Wied Il-Ghin clubs (& I belive this year others are joining - if I'm not mistaken - Bugibba, Gnejna and Msida) the finish is the jetty at Birzebbuga for all boats even though they all start from different places. But I agree, I think that this would be a nuisance for guys with their boats berthed up North.
We can definately settle on an agreed valid catch list, that's the least of our worries. By the same rationale, someone can be hiding alungi already on the boat, or hiding long lines etc etc. Isn't that why the clubs always check the boats first, to inspect these things? Obviously we can't be super enforcers, if someone really wants to go out of their way to cheat, I guess they will. I still don't like the idea of penalising a boat for it's size, though perhaps based on it's beam which tends to dictate how many lines you can deploy is a worthy idea. Or just stick with the honesty factor yes!
Quite a few people that I know of up North aside from myself, hopefully they will start posting as if no one from the North aside from me wants to take part we'll keep the departure point in the south.
As I said before first we establish who is joining in the competition. Regarding size or beam for me it doesnt make a difference. If i have an 8' beam and then I deploy outriggers I then can troll with 7/8rods. so its not the beam that will make the difference but the equipment. I think one should leave ones ingenuity and resources without imposing penalties. We are going to have fun and we will learn from mistakes and improve the next year.
What needs to be established if its an open competition that is for any fish and if so the points awarded for each species.
A quick search by the judges is quite normal but as nick said one can easily hide or cheat but one is only cheating himself.
But I think those participating should meet up and come to a decision otherwise its going to be a bouncing ball with no decisions taken.
So guys those interested in the competition please step forward and be counted.
My thoughts on the valid fish are:
Alungi
Bluefin Tuna
Pastardella
Swordfish
Sailfish
In all likeliness we will only be returning home with Alungi, and maybe a Bluefin or so. Am I missing any obvious ones or are we happy to settle on those?
I'm just not convinced with the decision to have only 4 rods fishing without incuring a penalty. Is this normal practice, why 4? Why not 3 or 2??? standard trolling spread is 5 lures/rods. What's the rational behind this proposal?.
Joe the thinking behind it is simply that given the width and available placing on most boats you tend to only get a realistic spread with 4 rods, at least that is what I have noted.
At the end of the day this isn't an IGFA or some accredited competition, and if those few people who seem to want to take part are happy leaving things open ended, for me it's absolutely no problem at all, we can eliminate all these things and break it down to real basics.
As they say guys, the choice is yours, whatever the majority decide on is what we will do :)
Hey Skip, I agree that all participating should be left to use as much rods/ lines as they want. What I think though is that two categories should be made regarding size of boat, say above 6m, and smaller than 6m. This will automatically have number of rods/lines out setled. The use of outrigers as Shanook said is a major decider. Personally I use them, but so far never employed more than 3 lines out. I go out there to enjoy myself not to catch loads of fish.
Now for a competition it may be different, but still sportsmanship is what its all about. Myself I'm not keen on competitions, but may offer to help out with the organising on the day.
Me i wouldnt want the gaffer to have a class on his own. I want to compete with whover is there. I always say fish catch u and not the other way round. No I prefare an open type of competition where u do the best of what u have and compete with the rest.
It we are going for beam... then why not make penalties for those who have GPs as not every one has it..and that helps in finding ridges so its an aid to catching fish....and how about fishfinders who can detect thermoclines.... no we will never make an end of it... I prefare a free for all... thats just my opinion....
Go for it shanook. you are looking forward to beat the Gaffer. i am working day on the 12th july but even if am not working i am a beginer for alungi so you can beat me easily
no mark its not a matter of beating anyone. But I like a fair competition open to everyone. As everone knows part of fishing is luck and part making the most of what is presented to u.
The general consensus of those replying seems to be an open competition, I still think we should stick to a general trolling competition and name the fish species that count. Are you all in agreement with the points system I mentioned earlier on?
Agreed.
sounds good to me
:'( wish i had a boat :'(
hello guys,
i still didn't decided yet if I will be participating to this competition but I've just heard that the birzebbuga competition will be moved to the 12th as well cause on the 6th it will be a rough sea.
There is one place left on The Gaffer for the MFF competition. We shall apply the usual rule of cost sharing. The boat if full of fuel when it leaves port, when we re-enter port, The boat is refilled, and the bill is divided by 4. First one to post here gets the place. The gaffer, code named Team Intimidator for the MFF....is all rigged up and ready to gooooooooooooooooooo
:'( I come back from a very late night flight, I would have loved to join in.
Enjoy the fishing guys.
Hi Gaffer,what do you think the cost will be approx?if ther is still a place.Or else i can come with mine.Tks
From our last outing, for a party of 4, including myself, the cost works out at about 35Euros each
Ok,you can count me in please.If you still have place.Today we caught 3,one of 12 kgs.the others 6kgs.But at 9.00am we had to go in cause my friend dahhal il kulpara go idejh.But he is ok now.Will talk as we go along then.Tks
Guys, numbers seem a bit low to organise a fully fledged competition and we are kind of running out of time. Would be interested to hear your opinions about down-scaling the 'competition' and doing more of an informal type competition just for forum members. Especially as it seems one of the clubs has moved theirs to the same date.
Let me know your thoughts and let's finalise what we're going to do in the next few days.
Sounds like a good idea Skip. Maybe it's a good idea to stocktake at this stage how many boats / people are actually planning to participate. Then perhaps we can plan a less formal event between us over the next few days
DJS - 'Boat with No Name' x 2 persons.
Which club are you refering to? if its the B'bugia one there is nothing official yet, since windfinder.com is forcasting a N NE F3 wind for Sunday 6 july. In any case, what is the count up till now, and do.we have any participants who are not fowum members?
5 boats confirmed (Skip, The Gaffer, Shanook, Ramio, DJS), one tentative Fishfinder.
No one that I know from outside.
skip ramio does not like to take part in competition but is willing to give a hand or is a a boat??
You're right Tony, so that's four boats only. Maybe Mario would come out and fish anyway/act as a support vessel maybe do some filming.
What would be great but I doubt everyone would agree to, is if we were to fish in a pack like four abreast and have the boats rotating positions every so often so that there are no advantageous positions. It would still be a good competition to see who has the best lures out or is running them in the right part of the spread and a learning experience for us.
The pressure in the water and the number of lures we would be presenting on the surface should raise the fish up considerably. We could co-ordinate turns etc via radio. Always wanted to fish in a pack and see it's effects.
if the other competition is going to be held on the same day then might as well let everyone represent his club as they dont like to lose... and in the meantime we can use the same results to have our first winner.... mind u anyone who is representing any club is to meet with an official of MFF to check and confirm his boat his boat. just a suggestion.... any nitty gritty will be resolved later.
According to Windfinder it's not looking bad for this coming Sunday (Force 3) so maybe the "All clubs alungi competition" might not have to be posponed after all.
The following wedsites are forcasting this weather for Sunday 6 July:
Windfinder.com F3
Maltairport.com/weather F3
Maltaweather.com F3 ->F2
meteo.it F3
Need to keep monitoring though, as this is a 5 day forcast which can easily change.
back to the MFF 1st trolling competition. I'm game for everything. It would be a good idea to have the 4 boats grouped up and troll together. I think it would be good fun too.
Gaffer,i was referring to the forum competition on the 12th july.Do you still have place for me?
tks
Guys the above has basically changed to a friendly competition amongst the boats interested in taking part. I am suggesting that we meet just off from Filfla at 6am and then head off as a pack from there.
If it's okay with everyone, the competition will be us all fishing line abreast or an inverted V with our best spreads deployed and then see who catches the most as essentially we will be fishing the same area together, rotating boat positions every 30 minutes or so to keep things equal.
We can then meet up the following eve somewhere if people are game to discuss the event and how things went. Either way I still intend to come up with a token prize for most fish and heaviest fish.
I should have tought about it earlire but if i can manage it i will try to design and make a thropy/shield. If there is anyone interested in making some kind of sketch or input some ideas please feel free to do so.
Skip, i will send u a draft of the trophy (always if i manage it. otherwise it will be a project for next year.
i suggest a wider spread to cover more area and when a boat hooks up, calls all to converge and troll the area. that way we will have more chance to locate the fish. the Alungi are close to filfla at the moment. On the outside ridges seem to have slowed down. It will be fun to troll with u guys. Ramio will be there since its not a competition...
Oh by the way All club competition is on Sunday 6th. I will be out there not sure whether to be taking part or not as I have a foreign guest and dont know his sea ability.
Hi Guys, Sorry I havn't been posting lately. As Shanook knows well I have been extreemly busy. At the moment have some problems with one of my boat engines so I'm grounded. Hopefully tomorrow will go down and take the fuel pump off for repair. Just my luck. Good luck to all those who are going fishing, just think of me and my oily hands when you strike.
Where will the All Club Competition Presentation be ? @ Bbugia ?
Chris 8)
Message from The_Gaffer :
Competition postponed due to the windy conditions. :-\
Chris 8)
Is Saturday's friendly competition still on? Weather forecast is not that great (force 3/4 from SSE).
There's still plenty of alungi around - caught 10 in 4 hours on Sunday and missed a few double / triple strikes.
We'll keep an eye on the weather then. Well done 10 in four hours, haven't seen you post any co-ordinates or catch reports, cmon Dave!
So on Saturday you're going out as an MFF friendly fishing day and on Sunday there is the All Club competition ?
Will you meet after fishing and maybe weigh the fish etc ?
Chris 8)
Chris if the weather holds out that's the plan. I don't think Sundays All club will happen though i wasn't going to be taking part as not a member of those clubs. Sunday's weather is looking even worse and will be established from Sat. If Saturday continues with the forecas blow up it will be pretty damn uncomfortable for the lighter boats, so we'll have to see.
Hi Skip,
will you meet after fishing ? Maybe weigh the fish or not ?
Chris 8)
It would be an idea yes, or we find a sheltered place and see how everybody did, as for me to go all the way round to B'Bugia would be out of my way somewhat unless I returned up the East coast which I suppose is always an option depending where we ended up fishing. In fact might be a good idea,
Let us know the place then, if it's sea or land !! ;)
Chris 8)
Quote from: skip on July 09, 2008, 07:57:34 CET
We'll keep an eye on the weather then. Well done 10 in four hours, haven't seen you post any co-ordinates or catch reports, cmon Dave!
Yes you're quite right Nick. I'm afraid I got caught up this week at work and didn't have chance to post anything. Where i've been catching recently is south-east of filfla between the two xifers. The alungi are quite close in now. Will let you know the exact coordinates on Saturday as I need to attach the GPS to the boat.
http://www.maltairport.com/weather/page.asp?p=5472&l=1&lng=e&t=5 (http://www.maltairport.com/weather/page.asp?p=5472&l=1&lng=e&t=5)
This is how its looking for Saturday....lets hope it keeps that way until Sunday also.
Hi All,
Was wondering whether any participating boat's in next Saturday's fishing event / competition need an additional team member on board. Have NO Alunghi fishing experience.
Willing to share fuel & other trip expenses. Please PM on mff. Thanks.
Kenneth, if it's on and we go should have a place, as looks like it will be me and SimonG on board.
Will monitor the weather tomorrow afternoon for Saturday and let everyone know.
OK please keep me posted accordingly. Would be great to be aboard your boat. Thanks Skip !
Guys, it's going to be a 3/4 tomorrow as it's already picked up and the swell is getting established. That means tomorrow is likely to be uncomfortable for smaller boats.
In my case I need to get my engine looked at as I think I may have a slightly fouled plug or plugs as wasn't running too happily today and more smoke than normal coming up so might not be getting a clean burn. A few hours overdue on the first main service so need to get that done asap.
We could postpone but there aren't that many days left? Alternatively you could still go out and nominate someone to be the 'judge' for the weighing etc and then let me know the results so we come up with some small prizes.
As Jonathan just pointed out the season for Alungi is probably only a few more weeks and larger/heavier boats like The Gaffer, Shanook, Ramio etc will probably have no issues as the wind will start on the East/South East, there will just be a swell.
I'll leave it in your hands to decide and co-ordinate with each other. Happy Fishing :)
You are not on your own Skip, here in S.Wales we have a similar forecast, but Sunday looks a little better ;D
I hope to get out early & catch some bream (xilep)? & mackerel, & some flatfish (you never seem to mention them, dont you get them in Malta)?
I hope conditions improve so that you can get out as well, you should be retired like me, then, when the weather is good, you haven't got work to worry about, only whether you can stay alive long enough to launch! :D
blueskip
hi blueskip thats the irony of life when u can do it u dont find the time and when u have the time its the strength that fails u. I really should take ur advice and retire but then where will i find the money with the price of diesel going up and UP. tomorrow its going to be quite a swell at least thats the prediction and Sunday its supposed ot be worse.
The idea of the competition is for all to have fun not to be thrown about on the boat. Whether we get it done this year or not it doesnt matter (gives me more time to get better organised for the GAFFER mmmmmmmm). xi tghied Joe.
agree with skip you go to have fun and not to be uncomfortable plus the swell was already getting established
PITYYYYY :-\
Anyone knows if the All Clubs one is gonna be done ?
Chris 8)
gazzetta if the weather stays as predicted I dont suppose they will do it. I asked when i made port at B'bugia as i will take part but they didnt know.
Tomorrow's sea conditions are fine for me, unless they get much worse from what's forecasted. I'll be out with my team!
Hi guys, we (Gaffer team) should be going out tomorrow for alungi. So far the indications seem to be for a Force 3 in the morning shifting 4 towards noon which should not be bad. If anyone else still intends going out, you can drop me a ring on 9988 2615 or call us on the radio. We'ld be on ch 6 or 10. Cheers
Let us know if they the the All Club one pls.
Chris 8)
The all clubs is on Sunday. a decision whether or not to go ahead will be taken sometime on Saturday evening. If its F3-4, then it gets postponed again
Report Update from the two boats that are out DJS and The Gaffer:
DJS has managed to land a whopping 12 Alungi ranging from 5kgs up to around 9-10kgs and is proving to be a real Alungi killer lately. DJS is fishing on a 5.8m boat with a total crew of 2 and I believe 3 rods deployed.
The Gaffer and his crew have managed 7, sizes unknown but they are continuing to fish, bites were a bit slow this morning but have picked up in the last hour and half. DJS is likely to be returning shortly as his large box is full! The Gaffer is planning to stay out a bit longer.
Further details I hope will be provided by the respective boats in their catch reports.
Skip
Well Done to both !!! ;D
Chris 8)
Midday Update:
DJS is up to 13 fish!
The Gaffer on 8.
Keep it up, I'm very envious!
wish my boat grows up a bit.... we would have been there Skip! Keep it up The Gaffer and DJS.
Well done I was at B'Bugia at 11.00 am and the sea wasnt that bad. At 1pm it picked up a bit.
So we have two fisherman, the gaffer and DJS the others me included are chat material LOL.
PROSIT
Any idea regarding tomorrow ? ???
Chris 8)
I very much doubt they will do the all clubs as the fishing window is probably a couple of hours in the morning. Perfect if your base is B'Bugia like Shanook. you can nip out get some fish on and nip back!
na skip I prefare to go out to enjoy myself hate to go out fast and back in fast not my thing....
You just like fast trolling :p
Out of curiousity, what are your typical fuel burn rates with those engines. Any ideas at cruise/fast troll?
Guys, yesterday did u see that guy who was trolling with eight rods? I kept staring and making sure I was counting correctly and even made my mate count them to confirm. How do they manage not to get them tangled and what happens when you hook one?
ALERT ALERT ---- PAGING THE GAFFER --- ALERT! Benri has spotted someone running MORE rods that you and this just cannot be allowed!! Team Intimidator must always have the most amount of rods!! lol I know you're planning another one so that should even out the score!
On a more serious note, did that guy have outriggers benri? On larger out riggers you can run two lines off them, and basically that's what gives you the spread outwards, plus a nice wide boat always helps.
You have to be careful in turns as Joe will confirm but also the way you set your lengths makes a big difference. Will let Joe answer about the hooking issue, but I guess it depends which rod position is hit and the direction the fish goes.
We've returned from a great day of trolling, with full honours going to DJS, who not only hooked something like 14 alungi, but also managed to do so efficiently with a modest spread of 3 rods, as compared to our 7 rod spread on The Gaffer which yielded a bounty of 8 alungi (not to mention another fish lost at the platform and an unusual series of 4 or so lost strikes). Not only so, but DJS was also so kind as to hail us about the area where the biting was hot, with this area being quite a way off from where we had been trolling before, and until when our score stood at 2 compared to DJS's 5 or so.
Prosit and thanks DJS - today you definitely won the greatest sportsman honour in every sense of the word! :)
I will be posting some pics and another video clip of our trip today later on this week.
Yes he had two wide outriggers. But what impressed me most were the two in the dead centre, one on top of the cabin and the other at the stern.
Well done to all of you!
Already waiting for your clip and pics John !! ;D
Chris 8)
Benri, the center rigger is mounted high up in the center to put that line far back and above down the center, and if you have place to mount one, it's a great additional rod. I think you may have been looking at Ghedida but I could be wrong. What type of boat was it etc?
Well done again to the two guys out, DJS you have impressed us all :)
It was a great day out yesterday, weather was better than forecast and it was nice to keep in constant touch with Jonathan on board The Gaffer for ongoing catch reports.
The alungi have moved in fairly close now so we didn't need to travel out that far to get to the fishing hotspots. After a slow start, we had quite a few double and treble strikes after 9am which were much easier to manage this time compared with last week when I was out on my own. In fact, we only lost one fish this time near the boat and unfortunately one of my favourite lures which I had badly tied up in the dark the night before.
I have never seen anyone gaff fish as effectively as my friend Mario, every time without fail straight through the eye or the gill, certainly put me to shame! He also saw a very large shiney fish crossing on the surface behind but not interested in our lures which was probably a sizeable sailfish.
Finished up with 13 at the end of the day plus one that jumped out of the boat back into the water. We had two in the region of 10kg and the rest between 4kgs and 8kgs.
Headed back before midday at 6 knots all the way to Msida due to engine problems. I think my plugs were fowled like Skips due to the low speed trolling - will check them today.
Look forward to next year's event.
Dave
PS - Good luck for The Gaffer team in today's all clubs competition.
The All Clubs Competition should be done next sunday if the weather is good.
Chris 8)
Hi skip,No that wasn't the Ghedida.The boat was a Trophy model i think.I've seen it on some charters as well.I saw it close to hofriet while he was going back in.If it's the same boat!!
Probably Capt. Chris's boat then of Fishing Mania Charters, though didn't realise he ran so many rods!
Thanks for the report Dave and well done. We'll have to sort out some token goodies for you and your crew for the win!
Hope you managed to take some nice pictures and will get them uploaded for us all to see and enjoy. I was reading that Direct Injection engines aren't supposed to foul their plugs unlike 2 strokes! But read in another forum that you're not supposed to use the engine for extended trolling at constant low rpm's when running in as the engine is set to run rich you then foul the plugs!
This is my take on Saturday's fishing trip:
We had our lines in the sea at about 6.10am, and 10 minutes later, the middle rod was screaming out line. I hadn't even deployed all lines into the sea, but that 1st ridge is a killer early in the morning. The honours were left to Fr. Charles Tabone to reel in his 1st Alunga catch. The fish put up a good fight, it was in the 9kgs range. We continued to follow set points and about 45minutes later, we were hooked up again. I then turned the boat in a SSE direction since we came across a surface longline. The plan was to head down to where there are 3 large ridges and troll along those lines there. We had about 3 strikes but no hookups. By 10.30am it became evident that alungi were not anywhere near us, so since jonathan had been keeping in touch with DJS, we headed back up towards the 1st ridge near filfla. As we approached, we could see alot of activity and baitfish on the Fishfinder, and no sooner had we come in range of DJS, that the fishfinder alarm sounded with the depth indicator marking the speedy approach to the surface of a moving target at great speed. In an instant, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, and the middle rod creamed out line. Simultaneously, the outriggered rod also hooked up, so, double hookup. We managed to land one, and lost the other just as we were trying to gaff it. For the next hour, this sequence continued, with the fishfinder sounding the alarm, a fast reduction of the depth indicator, and reels screaming. In that hour, we managed six from 8 strikes, and we could also witness DJS fighting fish as well.
Then, the engine pitch changed, and I immediately noticed that we were in a situation were the engine was starved of fuel. One glance at the Racor filter was enough to convince us that we had fouled up the fuel filter. We deliberated for some time whether to stop the engine there and then and try and clean the filter, since we could only manage 6 knts beofre the engine stutters and bellows black smoke. I decided to stop, clean and head in. A good 20minutes later we managed to clean the racor filter, start up and head in. As we approached the Grand habour, the engine played up again, only this time I decided to hang in, reduce speed, and pray we might make port. I wasn't the only one praying. Our silent hero, Fr. Charles, was in direct communication with our Maker, (he has a direct line, aptly called the Divine Intervention) and we did mange to make it in and dock at our pontoon. By that time, the filter was so clogged we actually had lost all power except for a 2-3knt speed.
All in all, that was our day. Just like a ride on a roller coaster, a lot of ups and downs, and thrills in the middle.
Great report The_Gaffer! Pity that you had trouble with the engine as it spoils the fun! Anyway, just think about the hook ups..... Well done!
Joe, thanks for the report, we talked abit about the engine problems and thank your lucky stars or star (Fr. Charles) that you made it in safely as I don't think many of us on the forum would be able to tow you, maybe the Kaptan Sway's with their twin engines.
Good to hear how your fishing went. Did you guys weigh your fish and see who had the biggest one??
No sorry, didn't even think of weighing in any fish. However, 7 alungi together weighed in at 38kgs. My main concern was how on earth could a new racor filter get clogged up after the 4th outing in the season. I have boiled it down to two options. I either took on some fouled up diesel early in the morning when I filled up, or the sludge had been lying in the bottom and somehow got sucked up through the intake line. This latter reason is somewhat remote to follow since the previous Saturday I had been out in a F4 NW wind and we had no trouble. So the pitching and rolling of the boat did not affect the diesel tank. If there was sludge present in the tank, then that would have been the day it should have been affected. Saturday was fairly calm, with slight pitching and rolling due to the swell. I am more inclided to beleive that we took on some fouled up diesel, but will confirm on Friday when I empty the fuel tank. I intend to empty the fuel tank into 35ltr tanks, I have about 120ltrs of fuel on board at the moment, passing all the fuel through a filter fitted to the funnel. If sludge is present, then it will get trapped in the filter positioned inside the funnel. I have to do this anyway, as I cannot risk not knowing what condition the fuel is at the moment.
Good idea Joe, just make sure to treat that fuel before you put it back into your tanks if you plan to re-use it. Check out Fuel Set by Liquid Engineering, imported by S&D Yachts
For sure I will treat it. My aim is to pick up and pump all the diesel present in the fuel tank from the bottom of the tank. Might as well pass all the diesel present in the tank through the filter, gives me peace of mind. Also, I will be carrying 2 spare racor filters from now on, just in case it happens again. Imagine being somewhere 35-40kmiles out, and something like that happens again. No use having a 16,000 Euro engine conked out because of a 10Euro clogged up filter!!!!
Hello Gaffer,
just read about your trouble with the Fuel and I can say that it happened to me with the petrol too and my case was worst cause the dirt passed even the Racor filter and the outboard filter and it end up in the fuel injectors. Once that you clean the fuel and inspect the tank make sure you flush the fuel pipes as well or replace them cause in my case dirt was still stucked in the pipes as well.
Good luck and hope you'll get it fixed without any problems.
Please filter all the fuel before you fill in your boats cause out there you can't pull to side and wait for the towing:)
Heard you can buy a funnel that has a special filter which is also supposed to trap water in case it's present when pumping in. Don't think it costs alot, believe the funnel is yellow??? Can anyone confirm.
I'll be using a home-made filter spread over the top of the funnel. You basically get a pair of your wife's/partner's old tights, and spread it over the top of the funnel. That way, all water, sludge and dirt are caught in the tights, and presto...you have a filter which costs you zilg!!
something is wrong with the fuel both diesel and petrol. Ramio (diesel) had to take off the fuel pump and service it. He also emptied his tanks. thats quite a job. Visa has problems with revving up engine works ok in lower revs but once he pushes gas the engine just wont take it (to me it looks like fuel starvation). On Sunday morning I saw three others coming in 1 towed and the other 2 came in slowly.
I use the 'tights' filter but if anyone knows about that funnel i will get one. Oh by the way the 'tights' apart from being worn by woman, used as a filter it can also be used as a 'Vee belt' in case of emergency. So there Oh yes if u want to rob a bank or something u can wear it on ur head...
In fact I heard that a guy got confused last year and wore a V-Belt on his head instead of the tights whilst trying to rob a bank!!!
heheh i like it LOL
We didn't think about weighing the fish either, by the time we got into Msida it was already 3.30pm, the ice in my cooler box had all melted as it kept springing open and the three fish we were keeping Mario's small cooler box were getting pretty fried in the sun too.
The main cooler box was very heavy though and we had to unload one fish at a time using all sorts of acrobatics getting from the boat to the land, much to the amusement of the spectators on the quayside.
Still, apart from the engine problems it was a good day out, maybe we'll have the chance to group fish again before the end of the alungi season.
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Dave, thanks for the pics. Mario's got one on the scales, let us know how big it was :p
Nick, the fish on the scales was the biggest we caught on Saturday weighing in at 9.2kgs already gutted (so we guess it was over 10kgs). We gutted all the fish on the way back to Msida.... what else can you do to pass the time when you're travelling at 5/6 knots due to engine problems!!
I Can immagine the type of show you gave out DJS :p As you had ample Space between the boats to show off ax Karmnu l ginger hallilek l ispazju:P I heard from my friend Who has the new petecraft boat besides Karmnu that you made a nice alungi catch
Yes, it was nice to have so much space for my little boat between two 36 footers, though I think Karmenu is probably back by now from his swordfishing trip. Probably one of his fish will weigh the same as all of our alungi put together!
Nice Petecraft Boat , spoke to the owner on that Saturday when we were unloading. Is it only used for tourist excursions? as it looks more like a sturdy professional fishing boat.
Winners Prizes:
1st Place DJS - Wins a 6 Lure Pocket case, a Boone All Eye Rigged with 6/0 Mustad hook in Pink/White &
Boone Mahi Jet Rigged with 7/0 Mustad Hook in Pink/White
Runner Up The Gaffer - Wins Boone Mahi Jet Rigged with 7/0 Mustad Hook in Pink/White
Well done guys, Skip
Quote from: DJS on July 15, 2008, 20:45:07 CET
Yes, it was nice to have so much space for my little boat between two 36 footers, though I think Karmenu is probably back by now from his swordfishing trip. Probably one of his fish will weigh the same as all of our alungi put together!
Nice Petecraft Boat , spoke to the owner on that Saturday when we were unloading. Is it only used for tourist excursions? as it looks more like a sturdy professional fishing boat.
The petecraft boat is a 46 footer not a 36 ekk jrid jisimek tejd sammy :p Yep it shal be used for tourists mainly bbqs, commino trips, Diving and occasional fishing trips. It does some impressive speed for its size as it is now doing 25 knots with some modifications to the boat's equipment. His Brother has also a beautiful luzzu a 36 footer. You might have encountered him maybe in msida or in the harbour the luzzu's name is Delfino.
Speaking about karmnu they didnt do so well i think in comparison you did much better than them. They only caught 10 small swordfish in 2 'kalati' (Nahseb bilkemm gabu haqq id diesel u l liska ). We Shal Start out swordfishing from next week as we put down the skuna today.
Well done skip the prices a really fantastic.
well done DJS and Gaffer for going out on the agreed fishing day.
So does Gottie have to give up his Albacore king title and surrender it to DJS? :)P
I hope gottie still talks to me after this :)PP
I think he may well have to shanook. Not heard from gottie lately, not even sure if he's been out fishing, but I think for the size of boat and number of rods and as further proved in the friendly competition DJS was certainly the Albacore King for that event and the past couple of weeks.
Well what can I say Skip, not only did we have a great day out but we find ourselves actually winning this prestigious competition!! Although on the day only two teams took part in this first MFF event, as it turned out we didn't really fish competitively at all more collaboratively... I think that's how it should be.
MFF committee - it was a very nice gesture to award such great prizes, but I'm sure I speak for The Gaffer team as well that you really didn't need to, as apart from engine failures both teams evidently had alot of fun on the day.
Hope the alungi season continues for at least the next couple of weeks so that everyone can have the same opportunities of catching the bigger alungi now they've grown a bit.
Well I'm not sure about the title... Gottie will definitely not speak to me. It's taken me a number of years to prise out of him some of his secret fishing techniques and places when we used to work together.
Bigboy, seems like Karmenu is not having a great season this year. A few weeks ago he sustained a back injury pulling in what he thought to be a big BFT but which turned out to be a huge ray which he had to release back to the sea.
Anyway, many thanks MFF from the DJS team, it has certainly brightened up what has otherwise been a pretty bleak week.
They're just a small token prize as mentioned, plus I know that you lost a lure in Pink/White!! Plus given they were the productive colours on the day thought it was fitting to get some Pink/Whites which arrived at the post office today, will pick them up tomorrow!!
I can definitely say that it was a fun day for the gaffer team also. We thouroughly enjoyed it, not withstanding the fuel problems we had. Thanks to DJS, we were able to increase our catch from 2 to 8 when he kept in contact with Jonathan. Now we also have the interclub tournament on Sunday, the MMF will be represented there with team the Gaffer including Nick and SimonGn and Jonathan with another and also Shanook and pauline tuna. Hope it turns out great for everyone involved
Will fish be counted somewhere on land and maybe some sort of presentation ?? Keep us updated The_Gaffer.
Chris 8)
who else from the forum thats tasking part in the competition..... i hope to be there on my own as my partner is working cant make it....
Hi Gaffer,Is there still a place for me on your boat for next sunday competition?Tks
Camkev - sent you a PM
How much competitions will be held tomorrow ?? The All clubs and the interclub ?
Good luck to the ones participating ;)
Chris 8)
Tomorrows competition is the all clubs competition. It starts at 4.00am and finishes at 2.00pm. All boats will have to come ionto B'Bugia and alongside the jetty for count and weigh in. Good luck to everybody!!!!
good luck to THE GAFFER and PAULINE TUNA have fun guys.
I'll be out too tomorrow in the conmpetition on a Buccaneer 16. Feel free to call me on the radio (ch6 - call sign Jonathan) or call me on 99882615 if anyone needs anything or feels like a chat.
Good luck 2 all !!!
Chris 8)
Goodluck guys you will be representing the mff aswell in this competition ;)
Also Johnathan pass on a goodluck to Manuel. Will you be representing Msida or Marsamxett ??
Any news ??
It seems it wasn't a very good day !! :-\
Chris 8)
Some news re today's fishing competition - the results were very very very dismal to say the least. Regarding MFF boats, Gaffer & DJS got 2 fish and lost another each - Gaffer after a short 15sec strike and DJS right at the boat I was told, we got 1 fish and Shanook, like most of the boats on the water got none. There was also virtually no activity in the area - no frantic seagulls, no fish at the surface (though one guy reported seeing such fish) and Gaffer also reported no activity on the fish-finder. The main highlight I would say was Frankie (call sign Jorluc) from the MArsamxett club who caught a 27kg tuna (looked like a Yellow Fin but no sure after Skip's previous posts re Yellow Fin versus Blue Fin). I wonder whether it was the bad currents or just that we're late in the season and the fish have moved away. After today, I doubt it whether we'll go again for alungi this year or whether today signified the closing of this season. What do you think about this?
BTW Bigboy we represented the Marsamxett club. I don't believe there was anyone representing Msida, but there was one boat (Farfett) representing Gzira.
Yep right on the dot Jonathan. We were Mff Poor catch and MFF jeankarl both of them on thier first Alungi trip (sorry guys we didnt hit anything but thats fishing). Catch was extremely poor and sparce. I know someone caught 5 which is really good. I kept in the vicinity of Filfla but it seemed that the fish were staying furthur out. On the 25 mile edge it was slow as well.
No Jonathan the fish might still be there again as Alungi come in Big shoals and if its not hot enough they move on, if its hot they linger a bit but still move on. Catches start getting less as there will be small lampuki and other bait fish for eating. But today it seemed like an empty water as there was no action whatsoever.
That tuna that was caught should be a BFT not a yellow fin as yellows are not found in the med. What makes one think it s yellow fin because some of the fins are yellow but that does not make it a yellow fin.
OPPS forgot to add we caught a nice big nylon netting which made Poor Catch test out his new rod and reel. Poor Catch came out the winner LOL.
well done to all who took part.
Yes, it was poor day all round.
It started off well though, after arriving on the scene at 7.15am I got a strike straight away, it felt like something bigger than normal as it made 7 or 8 runs taking alot of line each time. After a 15 minute fight I had managed to bring it within 50 metres of the boat when the double hook came out of its mouth. Caught 2 before 8am then nothing for the next 3 hours. Talking to Jonathan and Skip at the time, it seems that it went dead everywhere mid-morning even though lots of shoals of fish were showing up on my fishfinder. Got another strike on my way back, not a very big fish but I lost it near the boat. M'hemmx taghmel!
Alot of people on the VHF radio were blaming the current, I guess there could be something in this as there was a full moon last night.
Hope we do better next year
not nice to hear this but this is all about fishing. What you mean about saying the current??? There was too much current? I think much more cos of on the moon.
That heavy swell in the morning coming down from the North, may have pushed the bait fish elsewhere or down and perhaps even the alungi as well were staying well down.
The strange thing is that for most people the Fishfinders werent spotting them either, almost like they simply weren't in the area. Moon phase does affect things although I am not familiar with the in's and out's of it.
We fished in the central part, both close and a bit further out but would be very interesting to hear from those who were further north and those alot further south.
I think Shanook and co were further up north, but would like to see who was SE of B'Bugia and out to see if the fish had moved down there. We would have to ask around.
departing from B'BUGIA we headed 224 degrees for about 8 miles.then from filfla 221 deg about 5 miles out. then from filfla 198 degrees 12 miles out and again from filfla 168 degrees 13 miles out. we trolled in that area.
We left B'Bugia port at about 5.00 am. Was on the fishing grounds at about 6 am and immediately one of the rods (kens new trolling rod) doubled up and the reel screaming. GOOD START EH....... WRONG..... line was straight behind and keeping to the surface (a pastardella or swordfish mmmmmm looks like it) after retrieving some line we noticed a wave on the surface where the fish should be this was a bad indication and the probability of snagging some UFO (unidentified floating object). yep u guessed right it was a tangle of nylon netting and lines (better on the line than round the props eh).
We trolled till around 11.30 but we didnt manage to get anything else, so we headed straight to port feeling sleepy, dizzy and with a sense of disgust...no not really it was worse than that.....
we had a look at the catch numbers that others had manages and thats when we made a sigh of relief and got out pride and dignity back. So we relished in the bad luck of others (shame on us, but thats life).
I hope that someone learns something from this. I suppose the morality of this short report is that:.........
Can you please draw your own conclusion do i have to do that as well.....
Well done to Gaffer, Djs, Pauline tuna and Jonathan.... dont know if there was someone else
Nick my friends fished the SE from 15 to the 25 mile mark and they didnt do so good either. the fish seemed to bite very early in the morning and then stopped.We usually get hit in the 9 to 10 am bracket but this Sunday it seems they just werent there...........
Being Sunday they must have went to church at that time Shanook! :D
Better luck next time mate. Speaking of next time, until when are alungi usually in, mid-August?
I think in any kind of abundance, that's it Benri, but you will continue to find smaller shoals here and there and then, as Alungi get bigger they no longer hang around in shoals but as individual fish. From around now till around 20th August I have caught Alungi, usually around 9-10kgs but never any double hookups, just single fish.
With current fuel prices I don't think its worth going out trying to catch singles. If you're targetting something else and catch alungi as a by-catch then that's fine.
I doubt I will be trolling again until late August when I will start looking for the schoolie size bluefin.
wow.... all that waiting for them to come in and they're out so early! I think I'll give it my last shot on Monday then weather permitting.
From what I heard the current suddenly changed in the morning, though it's not something you really notice when you're trolling. I can understand how currents can effect the way in which the bait is presented when bottom fishing but didn't realise that they could also affect the feeding behaviour of pelagic fish.
Just of out interest, does anybody know how much the winning team caught in the competition?
I think 5.
confirm at 2pm just before i left for home it was a count of 5 but thats another half hout to go.
I received the official result this morning. The winning team from marsascala caught 5. The agregate shield was won by marsascala, 2nd was marsamxett and 3rd b'bugia. Team the_gaffer placed 4th with 2 albies, the 3rd placing also had 2 but was about 800g heavier then us in total.
I noticed that the current changed direction suddenly in the morning, and also alerted the team to this. My reasoning is that it just wasn't our day. From a total of 29 teams, 1 team caught 5, 1 team caught 4, 3 teams caught 3, 4 teams caught 2, 10 teams caught just 1 and the rest nil.So,in total only 36 alungi were caught, and 1 26kg BFT. The 29 boats covered a very wide area, some close to the 2nd and 3rd ridge, while others were out 20 to 25 miles out. Bait activity was minimal, bird activity was nil. It just wasn't a good day!
Yes, a total of 5 fish is pretty dismal considering the number of boats and the number of alungi caught in previous weeks. It's funny how there has been little surface activity from albacore this year, usually you see alot of seagulls and occasional shoals of fish breaking the water. The only thing I saw this year was a kitchen table-sized turtle a couple of weeks ago.
I guess this weekend will probably mark the end of the alungi season as small lampuki are already being spotted in places.
Skip do you fish in the same area in the south for BFT?
No Dave, never been down south for BFT, always West of Comino around 20-30 miles out is where we've found them each year.
That's too far out for me from Msida, I'm afraid. Will try and get some closer coordinates of BFT feeding grounds hopefully on the north east side.
from my past years experience, at about this time of year, albacore hit only very early mornings and vanishing as soon as it was light. I used to be on the spot way before sunrise about 3miles off filfla, and get a bite at early dawn, still too dark to see what you'r doing. Half hour after that all gone. I used to be back in port by 8am. This happened to me about 90% of the times I've been out this time of year.
If you do let me know! Not come across any and used to go trolling on the North East coast quite alot!
Interesting Mario, and good for you being based in B'Bugia, not so good for us! Though I guess one could always then move on and fish for something else, or bottom fishing etc.
interesting news: Monday (day after the competition) visa's brother went out for alungi and had a real BUZZ landed around 8 albies, missed a few and landed a 17 Kg BFT. So they are still there its a matter of being in the right place at the right time. they were hitting him close to the boat.
Will try to squeeze more info regarding fishing site, or at least an approximation.
your message was quite a relief Shanook... I'm trying monday. You can all stay in so I can catch what's left. You've all caught enough while I was waiting for them to grow! :-)
Wise man Benri waiting for them to grow....... But we might be out on Sunday so hope we leave some for u .............. ops i have a wedding on Sat so i might not make it on Sunday, Monday I work so its Tuesday for me.......OPPS benri do me a favour and leave some alungi for me will ya.......
It's good to know that the alungi are still around and feeding .. now they've been joined by some decent sized BFT. Hopefully the weather will improve before the weekend.
i am off on thursday, saturday and sunday this week, anyone going out and needing some assistance in paying for fuel, etc. ?
Regards
Jeremy
If anyone wants to join,will give a try for lampuki next week!!Spaces available.
what days are you talking next week? I am off except Monday and Wednesday of next week
Jeremy
Will let you know further on,depends on the weather.Will keep you in mind.
If anyone has space for boat fishing I will share fuel and other expenses as my 13ft boat is out of order, I fish for bottom fishing and " bir rixa" .
anyone interesed email me or post.
thanks.
Cost sharing----Going for lampuki tomorrow morning,if there is someone interested to come,i have 1 place left.send me a pm.Will leave msida at about 6 am,
Ajdilom li naqbdu hafna hut kev ha jithajru ;)
Do you organize many competitions at this forum guys????
le kaptan jr l'ewwel wahda kienet ghal alungi imma inzertat listess gurnata tal komp tal clubs, u peress li ma tantx kien temp tajjeb ma tantx hadu sehem.
No Kaptan Jr the first comp was for Abacore but it happened to fall on the same day as the clubs organised thiers, and since the weather was not that good, participation was low (translation shanook)