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Title: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: Tatanka on September 14, 2008, 22:03:06 CET
I am trying to find some hniex ta l imperjal . Can anyone help with any places I can buy it from. Thanks in advance ;D
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Post by: Freeman on September 14, 2008, 22:04:40 CET
mr fish
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Post by: The_Gaffer on September 14, 2008, 23:26:59 CET
Also try Mark at Fishing Frenzy...M'Scala bypass....he always has Hniex tal-Imperjal
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Post by: placebo on September 14, 2008, 23:40:19 CET
mark is much cheaper than others
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Post by: Tatanka on September 15, 2008, 05:34:18 CET
Thanks gents , I will pop to Fishing frenzey then. Your help is very much appriciated
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Post by: Tatanka on September 15, 2008, 13:02:58 CET
10 q . I managed to buy the last one Mark had this morning.
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Post by: rammx on September 17, 2008, 15:48:42 CET
does anyone know where to buy hniex ta limperjal from gozo???
never heard of anyone selling there...
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Post by: Granitu on September 17, 2008, 21:42:53 CET
prova branca tal klamar hemm is sitwazzjoni tal bahar ahjar minn ta malta


english.... try some pieces of squid at gozo.... they seem to bite better
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: rammx on September 18, 2008, 11:00:41 CET


i guess the clamari must be fresh???
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Post by: camkev on September 18, 2008, 11:40:11 CET
Fresh squids are better,but even frozen ones will do.One thing not to do with frozen ones is to take them out of the freezer and put them back in when they thow for many times.Especially in summer.
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Post by: rammx on September 18, 2008, 12:04:07 CET
10x alot for the advise,,,hope its a valid alternative for "hniex ta limperjal"
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Post by: bigboy on September 18, 2008, 12:52:26 CET
The ones you take out from the freezer should never go back in as they dont remain good. Fresh squid is always better even its colour shows the difference.
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: Tatanka on September 21, 2008, 14:48:40 CET
Can anyone advise on how long can a Worm (Hniex ta l imperjal) live in a bowl. And what would be the best storage for it.
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Post by: rammx on September 21, 2008, 15:28:32 CET
hey Tatanka... i usualy leave them  somwhere in the shade where the air isnt either very cold or very warm...in my case i leave them in the basement..i leave them in a normal ice cream container...
how long the worm lives...i think it realy depends on the worm itslef...i had worms that survived more than one month and others that  died after just two days...
i also advice you not to use any scissors or knives when using it...i tend to give the worm a slight pinch the point i intend to cut the worm..after the worm itself does the rest of the job...
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: Tatanka on September 21, 2008, 15:36:03 CET
Thanks Rammx for the info... That is how I have it at the moment. It is in a tupper ware good size bowl and down it the basement. With regards to the note of not using any scissors or knives I learnt my lesson a couple of days ago as it was the first time I used it after 18 years fishing. I used a knife & it was dead the next day. Thanks again
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Post by: camkev on September 21, 2008, 16:22:56 CET
You can also buy a very small pump of aquariums,only a few euros and put an airstone in the water.It helps a lot and by this i see that the worm stays stronger.
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: Tatanka on September 21, 2008, 16:32:27 CET
Ok camkev thanks for that , it does make sence , Do I need to change the water ?
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Post by: camkev on September 21, 2008, 16:35:16 CET
There is no need to change evey day if you have an airstone.It depends on the temp,if it's summer or winter.Now once a week is enough.
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Post by: ramio on September 21, 2008, 18:38:49 CET
Any idea anyone what is the "Hniex tal-imperial" called in english?
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Post by: camkev on September 21, 2008, 18:40:28 CET
Emperor's worm ;D........just joking..dont know :(
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Post by: bigboy on September 21, 2008, 19:51:19 CET
I think it is called lugworm
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Post by: blueskip on September 21, 2008, 22:18:54 CET
Apparently this thing can be up to 2mts long! :o & it appears to be flourescent in the dark, (hence its use night fishing), it must be very similar to "verm" they get in the Channel Islands, which burrows into soft rock, it's irridescent, & can grow up to 1m+ long.
Now I have never used "verm",  nor Hniex tal Imperjal, & I have never been a big fan of soft or peeler crab, if a fish is on the feed, it will take small rag, king rag, lugworm, fresh squid, sandeel, or mackerel strip. I reckon any predator in Maltese coastal waters will take any of the aforementioned, & they will especially take a small fish livebaited.
I have yet to be convinced that Hniex tal Imperjal is the "killer bait" its claimed to be, but I am prepared to be proved wrong, if anybody can outfish me with it ;)
blueskip 
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: fisheye on October 04, 2008, 09:26:41 CET
In winter between November and and mid March I maneged to keep it for 2 months in my garage which is a basementand temp. is constant about 15deg celcius, with water changes every forthnight but as soon as tempreture start to rise it gets more difficult to keep. In summer if you manege to keep it more than 3 days alive you are very lucky. 
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: gozitano on October 05, 2008, 09:27:49 CET
nixtieq insaqsi mistoqsija.il hanex ta l imperjal mejjet tajjeb ghas sajd?kif l ahjar li tifrizah?
grazzi u prosit tal web site
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Post by: fishfinder on October 05, 2008, 09:41:17 CET
Jekk jilhaq jmutlek u jinten tista tarmih imma jekk tarah qied jmut tista toqtlu u zidlu ftit melh ohxon( mhux hafna kemm jkollu ftit madwaru ghax jinxef) u itfaw fi skutella tal-plastic go frizer . Wara tista tuzah kemm trid.
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Post by: fisheye on October 06, 2008, 12:14:21 CET
You can freeze it as soon as it dies, when frozen it is best to cut it in small portion and take with you as much as you need, you can't refreeze it. Another method is to cut open the worm from its lenght pin it to a piece of wood put sea salt and leave it in the sun to dry when they become hard and dry store them in a cleane jar. Than when you decide to use  just put it in some sea water few minutes before. 
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Post by: robbygee on September 07, 2009, 14:38:42 CET
just bought nice hniex tal imperjal at 15 euros and the thing was nice an huge and i bought it at 1800 pm i just got a call that the freaking thing is dying and now i have to go fishing tonight after 8 oclock maybe it survives and we might catch some nice fish from fomm ir rih i will be taking some klamari with me in case no bites on hniex of imperjal.

cheers and good fishing to all
robby
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Post by: name on September 07, 2009, 18:28:55 CET
I think the English name is Reef Worm.....am attaching some pics....Kemm hu ikrah....Jaqqqqq ??? ???
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Post by: SPITEC on September 07, 2009, 20:43:36 CET
If you have some left you may freeze it.
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: fish-noob on September 12, 2009, 13:05:53 CET
Does anyone know, any people that catch these worms themselves? I heard there is one in Valletta and another in Kalkara. Anyone willing to share their numbers?

Also anyone knows from which shop is the most worth it? (average)

many thanks ;)
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: placebo on September 12, 2009, 15:08:52 CET
the one in kalkara you can find mornings 11.00am - 1.00pm in Birgu toqba wharf.
there's also another one HASAN from senglea which has a small garage just under the arches in senglea wharf. If you ask for him at Senglea seaside they will tell u exact location.
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: fish-noob on September 12, 2009, 16:27:28 CET
Quote from: placebo on September 12, 2009, 15:08:52 CET
the one in kalkara you can find mornings 11.00am - 1.00pm in Birgu toqba wharf.
there's also another one HASAN from senglea which has a small garage just under the arches in senglea wharf. If you ask for him at Senglea seaside they will tell u exact location.

tnx man, the one in senglea, is it near the moll of maritime m.c.a.s.t ? there is a tackle shop there. is it somewhere there you mean?
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: Arti2 on September 12, 2009, 17:57:29 CET
In latin its called Eunice aphroditois from the info found on the net and it seems it is called bobbit worm.
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: fish-noob on September 13, 2009, 14:11:04 CET
Quote from: Arti2 on September 12, 2009, 17:57:29 CET
In latin its called Eunice aphroditois from the info found on the net and it seems it is called bobbit worm.

Its certainly looks like it, somehow reading some info n the net seems to make that worm a horrific creature. personally i think that worm is beautiful, but maybe thats y some ppl call me weird :D
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: mellieha on September 14, 2009, 12:17:58 CET
Guys, 

Just out of curiosity but does any one know how these hniex are caught.  I know they dive for them but what to they do then.  Any ideas?
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Post by: robby017 on September 14, 2009, 13:34:26 CET
  ;D ipespislu bhal qattus u johrog jitfised!!!  ;D   :P
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Post by: OKUMA-1976 on September 14, 2009, 14:44:50 CET
Live bait is best but a good substitute is ---SURE BITE freeze dried lug worms (caught from the wild in USA ) are available in shops.
just add water to the part you're using. the bag they are in is with ziplock to keep rest fresh until you finish all the bag. Selling Eur4.50 for 6 piece bag.
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Post by: The_Gaffer on September 14, 2009, 15:40:39 CET
Quote from: mellieha on September 14, 2009, 12:17:58 CET
Guys,  

Just out of curiosity but does any one know how these hniex are caught.  I know they dive for them but what to they do then.  Any ideas?

OK, the idea here is to dive in a particular area where either it is a known place where hniex inhabit, or a place which has the tendency for hniex to inhabit.  1st of all, the bottom has to be muddy.  2nd, usually in harbour.  
The diver starts off by looking for telltale signs, marked by small holes in the muddy sea bed.  
then, carefully he fans away the mud, and slowly but gradually creates a sort of wide hole in the seabed, always going deeper into the hole until he finds the hniex.  When he finds the hniex, this marks the level of depth inside the hole that the hniex are present in.  As soon as he gets the 1st one, he then proceeds to dig out a canal along the seabed at the depth of the hole. It is a very enduring and painstaking task, as not all canals lead to hniex!!.  Usually, a typical canal is about 3 feet deep into the seabed, but once established, will unearth a number of hniex in that area, depending on the number of holes found when scanning the seabed for the telltale signs of hniex. 
I know so much about this, since in my younger days...Thats about 35yrs ago, I used to go for hniex in Senglea creek. 
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: ramio on September 15, 2009, 20:48:51 CET
No wonder they are so expensive!!
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Post by: placebo on September 15, 2009, 21:38:30 CET
nice explanation gaffer! i used to do some from Bugia when i was a small kid!
getting bait is always difficult.

it gets more difficult in winter when sea gets cold!

Also when sea is rough forget such work.

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Post by: mellieha on September 16, 2009, 15:20:53 CET
Thanks Gaffer,

As a diver I dived many spots and from your description I am thinking of murky water, lack of visibility and so on.
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Post by: The_Gaffer on September 16, 2009, 16:36:31 CET
Yes, it does get very murky, and visibility is poor.  That's why you have to fan away the mud slowly, to minimise as much as possible the murky environment caused by the muddy conditions of the seabed. 
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Post by: mellieha on September 16, 2009, 16:58:46 CET
Does anyone know if up north any hniex were ever found?
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Post by: Kevin G on September 16, 2009, 18:48:15 CET
the wholes that can be seen in the sand, formed like a mountain with a small hole and sometimes I see like fine sand coming out of it, is that a type of worm, fish, or some type of shell?
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Post by: kris on September 16, 2009, 20:09:12 CET
its a type of worm...if i am not mistaken those are the lugworms.
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Post by: placebo on September 16, 2009, 21:13:53 CET
those are yabbie holes (ckal)
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Post by: shanook on September 16, 2009, 21:55:25 CET
yes back in those good old days of plenmty there was everything in Senglea creek, hniex in 4 feet of water, tamal we were about 10years old and wee used to jump in catch hold of a stone and bring it up and it produced LOTS and LOTS of tamal, imhar, nakkli, gambli galore, insomma all u can think of.........ALL GONE NOW.
U still remember Joe when a nioce spnotta used to come in harbour there were so many fish that they used to jump out of the water and onto the pavement and we used to gather by the bucketful.
Oh we also used to get a lot of smuggled goods hidden behind wooden boats along the waterfront ..........yep gooooooooood old days
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Post by: The_Gaffer on September 18, 2009, 10:27:45 CET
Spot on Tony.  Those were the good old days.  It was good business for me as a youngster diving for building stones, and boulders, tying them to a rope, pulling them up onto the jetty and with a hammer and chiesel break the stones searching for tamal.  Together with tamal you also had the by catch, including hniex!!  I was making some Lm1 a day at that time, which was a fortune when you consider a Brand new ford escort ws selling for Lm400!!!!
The seabed was indeed plentiful.  I remember as kids we used to dare each other who could dive the deepest.  As proof of reaching the seabed, you were requested to bring up a small stone or something.  Its not the first time that I and my mates would come up with a gandofla...
I remember the terrace area, at that time occupied by the British forces, was particularly a good fishing area for sargi and sparli. 
Tony, I also remember the plentiful episodes of fish jumping out of the water, especially when a tugboat  would come in to pull a ship out of Dock Number 1.
Smuggling???...hehehe...what a field day we had.  I remember HM Ships berthed in Senglea Creek, and people on wooden daghjsas, under the cover of darkness, creeping up to the ships and then winching down all that the ship's crew would manage to sell, this included clothes, ropes, food, tools, paint...by the bucket full...etc.  I also remember that the Ponta was out of bounds for kids during the night, and the smugglers used to tell us that the WHITE LADY  haunted the area, so as to scare us away and let them get on with their business.


Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: fish-noob on September 24, 2009, 18:56:13 CET
to answer my own question regarding buying hniex tal imperjal, i just came over from kevin tal Isla, hes got a shop in san gwann - opposite savesmart supermarket. hes got great prices since he goes for them himself.

his number is 99012685 or 99847021, tell him Joe from msida sent you and that youre from the forum, and he'll also give you a 15% discount on tackle. spoke to skip to make it official.

regards
Joe
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Post by: rammx on September 25, 2009, 07:51:43 CET
10x fish noob!!! will definitely visit him :)
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Post by: qazqaz on September 25, 2009, 13:19:05 CET
il gambli namilu il melh ?
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: maltapepper on June 21, 2011, 22:55:38 CET
i also suggest that sea water is changed frequently , and the worm is left untouched and undisturbed
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: mrrapper on August 29, 2013, 22:06:01 CET
nixtiq insaqsi jek hawnx xi hadd li jista jigwidani kif nista naqbad il hniex ta' l-imperjal u min fejn...ghal uzu personali...thanks 
Title: Re: Hniex ta l imperjal
Post by: Granitu on August 30, 2013, 10:16:48 CET
Bghattlek Pm habib.

Jin naghmlu ghalija personali nurik milli naf bil qalb kollha (m inix mustaccun - hawn 4 malta tajbin ghalih imma kollox sigriet ghax jghixu minnu (u jghixu tajjeb!)) imma fih hafna xol ta strapazz dment li mhux ha tkun wikkiel u li tara tigbor. Jekk tibza ghalih land jibza ghalik... jekk li tara ttellu dak li taqbad llum ada ma ssib xejn.

Bhal hut, jekk tistermina minn post tkun qridtu. jekk minn 4 hallejt 2 darba ta wara ssib 5 mux 4 :)
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Post by: mrrapper on August 30, 2013, 10:46:46 CET
@Granitu...Grazzi tal PM habib u naqbel mija fil mija mijek li ktibt fil 'post' li hallejt...dan f kollox l istess meta tibza al xi haga jumejn ohra ha terga isib...jek li issib tkaxkar tmur l ada u ma isib xejn ux :)