Nigth Spinning - How, when and what?

bigboy · December 22, 2009, 23:46:09 CET

Hmmmm bis sens eeee hajjartuni

jean · December 23, 2009, 08:34:11 CET

Interesting! I always tried using very bright colours and reflective colours. That's what they always told me

But coming to think of it my one and only catch was with a dark lure in a place with no light!

I don't know whether it makes sense but what if we start a thread were we can kind of categorise lures (ex. night, shallow, deep, port, rock, etc...). Obviously there would be no hard and fast rule as this is fishing but it may help some newbies like me with making right choices and not throwing money out of the window.

Coming to think of it I have some lures that i might as well hang a xmas decorations hehe

chrifene · December 23, 2009, 09:08:49 CET

Never considered spinning at night, full moon and light around you might affect the selection of the lure. Dark lures are more visible at night this is because they create maximum contrast. Since it is also a matter of gray shades, I guess that even red/pink colored lures are very effective. So black/red/pink may be a very good selection for night fishing.

How about the noise created by the lure? Would that attract predators?

jean · December 23, 2009, 09:17:20 CET

you mean like the rattling rap of rapala (if i remember the name correctly)

chrifene · December 23, 2009, 09:28:30 CET

Rattles are those little things (like a small oval plastic) attached to the lures. I think that they might attract fish due to the sound emitted by the lure. I might be wrong...that is why I asked about it, but I think that it does affect the fish.

LapsiBoy · December 23, 2009, 11:30:02 CET

I used lures that where dark coloured and funnily enough werent the best lures ever @ only 5euros..but the funny thing is when i bought all the rapala, yo-zuri,maria (most or all where very flashy ex: red head, clown, sardine etc) my luck ran out.

chrifene · December 23, 2009, 11:47:40 CET

Well I don't think that lures used during daylight spinning must be evenly good also for night spinning. I still think that darker lures are more affective at night and even their sound might make a difference too.

How about glowing scent or sardine scent? would that make any difference or not?

@Lapsiboy - just to know, where you fishing in shallow water, deep, with ambient light or full / no moon?

Diplodus Sargus · December 23, 2009, 12:41:15 CET

when there is a little bit of light in the nearby i like to use something natural, like for example a crystal minow. The reflaction that it makes can attract more fish. But in total darkness the best to use are these dark lures they are great cudas love them and not only cudas! They should be tried and you'll see.

MartinB · December 24, 2009, 22:04:52 CET

Just to clarify,ive had good success on dark coloured lures in dark conditions and from the look of things im not the only one!

Ive been spinning/fishing for quite a bit a number of years and in my experience or rather imho,there is no set in stone way of doing things where artificial lures are concerned..For example x colour,style of lure is for these conditions,whilst y colour lure,style is for these conditions etc...is a marketing fantasy...bottom line,it just doesn't work that way!

For a practical example..ask just about anyone who's gone out for lampuki and they'll surely have had the following happen... today they had great success with a certain style of rixa and then have gone out the next day with the same rixa (same sea/wind conditions) same spot,had the fish follow but not take,but as soon as they changed the lure bang or if using a 2 rixa set-up then one day they bite on one,and on the next day (with identical conditions/spot) they bite on the other one

...im sure alot of people can confirm this

Im not saying change lures every 5secs anzi you should obviously give your lure a decent chance,but if consequently your not having any success or esp if your having follow ups but no takes then its time to change it up bit! Even sometimes the way you retrieve a lure makes a huge,HUGE difference as well

and sometimes no matter what you do will work! Thats fishing!

Quote from: chrifene on December 23, 2009, 11:47:40 CET
How about glowing scent or sardine scent? would that make any difference or not?

tbh i didnt find any difference,contrary to what the advertising speil claimed! Me and a few of my buddies gave it a good try on numerous occassions and it didn't make a single difference to our catch ratio...if anything it stained one of my lures....never used it again!!!
Tight Lines All

jean · December 29, 2009, 11:44:17 CET

Hey all,

So went to pick my rods from repairs and decided to go spend some hours trying them out. My reel was ready prepared with .16 braid, had floro-coated line on (.30), ended up buying a few dark coloured lures, and also ended up buying a bag to carry on my shoulders for spinning. The power of marketing is infinite when coupled to fishing.

Got to the second car park on the coast road (from salina) and started spinning from there up to the beginning of Maghtab. As expected not one single strike but to my despair, i lost one of my new lures

the knot used between braid and floro line was not ideal (in a way thank God no fish hit as i would have lost it all). Have to practice the Albright knot a little. Tried also at sunset in msida next to Black pearl, but also there no strikes. My back ached at the end of the day, and was a bit pissed off at loosing a lure, but man did it feel good to be next to the sea! Once again I have to get off the habit of visiting the habitual places.

The one interesting thing i noticed that on certain particular casts, little bait fish jumped out of the water. Probably my lures scared them off. When using a spinner I also felt that vibe of when you catch something but it was the spinner that grabbed the line hehe.

As you all advised me, I will persevere. hopefully next week will try a little more

jean
P.S. - sorry couldn't make it to the drinks yesterday - hope i will be there for the next one.

clutch_kick · December 29, 2009, 12:02:28 CET

@Jean, RE: Back Ache.

This is generally down to the equipment you use. Make sure the rods and reels that you use for spinning are light weight. Spinning tackle is sometimes expensive because it has to be light weight but very strong. The 0.16 braid is a good step forward, usually beginners go on overkill and use .22 or more. Obviously the lure won't go much of a distance away like that.

jean · December 29, 2009, 12:26:59 CET

Basically the rod i used on the day is a Vega mandana rod - two piece with max 80gram action and 3.2m length. The reel is a shimano 2500 exage with fighting drag. The combo is not that heavy - its probably that i am always sitting down so have become a bit of a fart hehe. The next day i was fine

The one thing i noticed is that the reel started feeling the stress - will try find a replacement later on this year. I also need to invest in a good pair of boots - preferably with non slip as almost slipped (Benny Hill Style) whilst moving from one rock to the other.

The .16 i am using is the normal climax braid. I have to look into buying some better braid too. Got Power-pro on my surf reel but its a bit too thick for spinning. I'm still not sure what monofilament is best to use - whether getting florocarbon or florocoated and the thickness.

What combination do you find best? The problem i find is always the knot between the two and the lenght of the monofilament - whether it should simply serve as a shock leader or should be longer.

clutch_kick · December 29, 2009, 13:46:25 CET

An 80gm rod with a 2500 shimano, is way out of balance. Just to give you an idea your reel would match up to a 6' rod with a 5/8oz lure weight. Don't go out spending money on new equipment if you are just giving spinning a 'go'. However if you are serious and you're going to mainly be using lures like X-raps and Minnows, then what you need is this. The rod should be 7' maximum, with a line weight of 20lbs max and lure weight up to 1oz or 1 1/4oz. The reel should be a 4000 in Shimano size or 3000 in Daiwa.

The golden rule in spinning is to keep everything as light as possible, and you will forget about back aches. It may be hard to believe, but I witnessed a 11kg leerfish being caught on an italian beach, with a 6'6" rod with a casting weight of 42g, 5000 reel and 30lb braid.

jean · December 29, 2009, 14:12:20 CET

So let me see if i get this right (sorry oz and feet confuse me a little)

I then have a 2.7m 5-25gram lineaeffe rod - I usually stick to this for squid fishing and is a little to light to fish when the sea is a bit foamy (at least thats the way i feel).

And the 4000 shimano reel isn't bigger than the 2500? Is it because even though its slightly bigger and heavier it would be more effective because of reel ratio, strenght and line capacity?

What combo would you suggest for a good all rounder that can take lures up to 35-40 grams? A 4000 reel and a 50g rod with medium action and lenght of around 2.1 - 2.7m?

clutch_kick · December 29, 2009, 14:51:17 CET

Your 5-25g rod would be good with the 2500 Exage. The problem with the 2500 is that the drag is not very strong. It is important to have a good drag when you fish light lines, it must be smooth. The 2500 will probably have an effective drag of around 3 kgs, the more you close it up the jerkier it becomes. That is why a 4000 would be a better choice.

So in a handful. Your 5-25g with a 4000 reel, is perfect for barracuda, seabass, cervjol, etc. If you think about it, most lures that we use for barracuda are less than 15gms. If you're going to go shore jigging from cliffs, then you might want another rod that will cast bigger lures, and a beefier reel, but don't expect to cast a 10gm minnow with such a rod.

Nigth Spinning - How, when and what?

bigboy