Federation Meeting with Fisheries Board Sub Committee for new Sport/Recreational

[cla144]

What needs to be done in order to have a better say and stop these discussions with immediate effect?

[Gogo]

Tony shanook  and  Joe Gaffer. " We will be another club like all the others you are a member of one, I am a member of another but we both don't have the slightest information of what's going on behind closed doors from our clubs."
Note that all Associated club committees within the Federation have been informed and discussed this issue during the monthly Federation meetings. Tomorrow there is another Federation meeting.
In this preliminary stage little information is available and what is known has been posted on MFF. Now that all clubs will be preparing for their AGM (if I am well informed Gzira AGM is due mid December) this issue should be on the Agenda.  Tony you know well that attendance during AGMs is very poor in relation to membership number. That is the reason why the Federation committee decided to post on MFF and get a feed back. Please note that since its inception the Federation organizes its AGM which is legally mandatory. These AGM are open to all amateur fishermen club members not only their committee representatives. Why despite notices send to all committees the floor does not exceed an average of sixty members including committee officials who in turn do not turn up as whole committee but the usual two or three?  Members, in their majority, do not take an active part but are prepared, in their minority to critize everything while the rest just sit back. I do not think that Joe Gaffer turned his back but I can understand his disappointment. It is one's interest and love towards this hobby that makes you go on.
In the sub committee I am not 1 against 6. Where amateur fisherman gear  is invoved the debate was between Amateur Fishing representative, cooperative representative and the FCD representative. One has to note that no votes are taken. Where there is a controversal issue as deep bottom long lines and no consensus reached between me and the cooperative then their proposal and my objection have been noted and if in the final draft the position is still so then the proposal and objection will be referred to higher quarters.

[Granitu]

Tony shanook  and  Joe Gaffer. " We will be another club like all the others you are a member of one, I am a member of another but we both don't have the slightest information of what's going on behind closed doors from our clubs."
Note that all Associated club committees within the Federation have been informed and discussed this issue during the monthly Federation meetings. Tomorrow there is another Federation meeting.
In this preliminary stage little information is available and what is known has been posted on MFF. Now that all clubs will be preparing for their AGM (if I am well informed Gzira AGM is due mid December) this issue should be on the Agenda.  Tony you know well that attendance during AGMs is very poor in relation to membership number. That is the reason why the Federation committee decided to post on MFF and get a feed back. Please note that since its inception the Federation organizes its AGM which is legally mandatory. These AGM are open to all amateur fishermen club members not only their committee representatives. Why despite notices send to all committees the floor does not exceed an average of sixty members including committee officials who in turn do not turn up as whole committee but the usual two or three?  Members, in their majority, do not take an active part but are prepared, in their minority to critize everything while the rest just sit back. I do not think that Joe Gaffer turned his back but I can understand his disappointment. It is one's interest and love towards this hobby that makes you go on.
In the sub committee I am not 1 against 6. Where amateur fisherman gear  is invoved the debate was between Amateur Fishing representative, cooperative representative and the FCD representative. One has to note that no votes are taken. Where there is a controversal issue as deep bottom long lines and no consensus reached between me and the cooperative then their proposal and my objection have been noted and if in the final draft the position is still so then the proposal and objection will be referred to higher quarters.

It is so old fashioned that you hold physical meetings Gogo when there is the internet today. Many do have their business and well busy with family and other personal matters.

I know of many comittees which are doing so now. Facebook, eg offers the possibility of private groups. I have even information of board meetings of huge companies held over the internet.

If these meetings were video conferenced (recorded) would be so much better and they can be viewed by everyone at home, at his/her disposal if he/she cannot attend.

Personally, I have to juggle with my studies, work commitments, family and girlfriend and other personal commitments. If I find some free time, I would rather be fishing... Afterall, recreational fishing is all about getting the 'big fish'

[Gogo]

Granitu "I applaude your efforts you do Joe and as I know you for a long time, I am more than sure that you do what you are doing out of passion and you are not expecting anything in return (I hope "
I thank you for your gentle comment but why putting your statement in doubt at the end. You well know that people like me on these Fisheries Boards have no financial, physical or whatever advantage. Others may have, not in terms of direct financial renumeration, but as issues are part of their job. When I was still practicing as a GP I used to close doors and call for Board meetings.
So you seem to be saying that my and Federation posts on MMF are invisible and you seem to have  the exclusive power to see them.. I am answering you and all the post already sent because I beleive in internet as a social media reaching to unlimited horizons. Well please decided some are pressing for a General National Meeting while others prefer the web.
I think both are necessary. However at this stage it is premature to call such a meeting as there is little information that the organizing  panel can put up for discussion and the floor as I can see from what so far has been posted has no suggestions apart from objecting (rightly) to long line depths which the representative on the sub committee has already done. 
Yes, Granitu you are right your fourth statement "Personally, I have to juggle with my studies, work commitments, family and girlfriend and other personal commitments. If I find some free time, I would rather be fishing... Afterall, recreational fishing is all about getting the 'big fish' " depicts the real picture. That is why in all amateur fishermen associations committee the average age  is 55years on wards. However I have to note that these people have dedicated their lives for the past twenty years when they were much younger. I think you know how long I and a couple of others remained on B'Buga committee and resigned due to the usual personal and political attacks which unfortunely disrupts our society. Where is the new blood , within a few years most committees will be history. When the Federation President passed away  we remained with an acting President for two years. Thanks to Frank (Frabel) who is a founder of the Federation the post could again be filled.
By the way can I know the real identity of Granitu.
Well I am hungry and now I have to feed myself. Bye

Gogo

[Granitu]

Granitu "I applaude your efforts you do Joe and as I know you for a long time, I am more than sure that you do what you are doing out of passion and you are not expecting anything in return (I hope "
I thank you for your gentle comment but why putting your statement in doubt at the end. You well know that people like me on these Fisheries Boards have no financial, physical or whatever advantage. Others may have, not in terms of direct financial renumeration, but as issues are part of their job. When I was still practicing as a GP I used to close doors and call for Board meetings.
So you seem to be saying that my and Federation posts on MMF are invisible and you seem to have  the exclusive power to see them.. I am answering you and all the post already sent because I beleive in internet as a social media reaching to unlimited horizons. Well please decided some are pressing for a General National Meeting while others prefer the web.
I think both are necessary. However at this stage it is premature to call such a meeting as there is little information that the organizing  panel can put up for discussion and the floor as I can see from what so far has been posted has no suggestions apart from objecting (rightly) to long line depths which the representative on the sub committee has already done. 
Yes, Granitu you are right your fourth statement "Personally, I have to juggle with my studies, work commitments, family and girlfriend and other personal commitments. If I find some free time, I would rather be fishing... Afterall, recreational fishing is all about getting the 'big fish' " depicts the real picture. That is why in all amateur fishermen associations committee the average age  is 55years on wards. However I have to note that these people have dedicated their lives for the past twenty years when they were much younger. I think you know how long I and a couple of others remained on B'Buga committee and resigned due to the usual personal and political attacks which unfortunely disrupts our society. Where is the new blood , within a few years most committees will be history. When the Federation President passed away  we remained with an acting President for two years. Thanks to Frank (Frabel) who is a founder of the Federation the post could again be filled.
By the way can I know the real identity of Granitu.
Well I am hungry and now I have to feed myself. Bye

Gogo

Joe, I applauded your efforts - really!

This is my post -

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I applaude your efforts you do Joe and as I know you for a long time, I am more than sure that you do what you are doing out of passion and you are not expecting anything in return (I hope )

I was only joking with I hope - a smiley face  means that. The younger age use this type of communication.  (this is a wink). And frankly, if you or gaffer would gain something out of this - you would have deserved it in view of your efforts.

So you seem to be saying that my and Federation posts on MMF are invisible and you seem to have  the exclusive power to see them.. I am answering you and all the post already sent because I beleive in internet as a social media reaching to unlimited horizons. Well please decided some are pressing for a General National Meeting while others prefer the web.
I think both are necessary.

I seem to be saying - that is utterly incorrect - I never said that. I SAID that I as a member of the Birzebbuga federation, I was never informed of these discussions going on until i got to know on MFF. These meetings should be public also in your interest. Everyone would recognize your efforts. Also, it can be that this thing is way too big to handle by yourself. Personally, a lawyer should get into this... and if you want, I know to who to speak to.

If i had to look on the bright side, i say that at least I got to know. Not from the expected sources, but got to know.

There are good things going on. I have seen that the website has been revamped too which is good.

I never Joe put your dedication into discussion and of the committee. When I paid the membership, the treasurer had promised I would receive a magazine and info by post - I received nothing. It is ok if things do not happen, i did not make a fuss out of it. But that is the truth.

Bdw, I had introduced myself to you via personal message long TIME ago. I know you for a long time too, having yourself been our PERSONAL FAMILY doctor for years when you practised your profession as GP.

But i do not mind identifying myself, see the personal message I sent you. Naturally, this is internet, and divulging info freely Joe is risky at times.

[The_Gaffer]

For those vessels registered as MFC, MFB and MFA

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/newsdetails/news/national/New-procedures-for-payment-of-fishing-vessels-licences-announced-20121121

[busumark]

at least it will be easier to renew the licence since there was always a lot of people since all the licences were renewed  during december

[The_Gaffer]

at least it will be easier to renew the licence since there was always a lot of people since all the licences were renewed  during december

Agreed

[caldaland]

Jidher li m'hawnx bizzejjed interess mis-sajjieda dilettanti fuq din il-kwistjoni.
Tajjeb,mela dak li ha jigri hu dan.Certu ammont ta dilettanti jimxu mar regoli il-godda,u ma jaqbdux huta,u il-kumplament,jigu jaqghu w jqumu mir-regolamenti u jkunu vvantaggjati fil-qbid tal-hut.Mhux ghax se jifdal xi kwantita ta hut taghfux. L-ghazla f-idejkhom!

[The_Gaffer]

Jidher li m'hawnx bizzejjed interess mis-sajjieda dilettanti fuq din il-kwistjoni.
Tajjeb,mela dak li ha jigri hu dan.Certu ammont ta dilettanti jimxu mar regoli il-godda,u ma jaqbdux huta,u il-kumplament,jigu jaqghu w jqumu mir-regolamenti u jkunu vvantaggjati fil-qbid tal-hut.Mhux ghax se jifdal xi kwantita ta hut taghfux. L-ghazla f-idejkhom!

Max, Aw interess.  Xi tridhom jaghmlu n-nies...ahna nistaw naraw it-traffiku li qed tiggenera dan it-topic.  In nies qed jaqraw, x'aktarx with a silent nod of approval qed jaqblu, u xi uhud jghidu tahhom ukoll.  Hemm cirkostanzi ohra ukoll ghala in-nies qed jibqaw lura milli jikkumentaw, kullhadd jafhom dawn.

[caldaland]

Bis-silent nod ma terbahx gwerrer joe.In-nies trid turi id-disapprovazzjoni w semma lehina.Tinsiex,kull garra taf tiswa vot,u il-voti daqt jasal zmienhom.

[shanook]

Caldaland what is it you dont agree about in the new regulations (which at least I dont know what they are).
I agree that we fish with unlimited rods and reels, I agree to use imrejkba, I agree to use Hgiega, I agree to the fish sizes for conservation purposes, I agree to use outriggers, live/dead bait, I agree to use surface lines with say 50 hooks.

I dont agree with the dept limit for bottom long line.
I dont agree that the cooperative and FDA dictate what we use and dont use, can or cannot do.

If there is anything that we can do to alter this apart from talking here, I am game lets do it. But I have voiced my opinion and I will not keep at it as I know what happened last time we had a problem like this, things were done even though the majority of the Birzebbugia members were agaisnt it.

if there is anything that i missed let me know.

@busu I think if you read that notice it says to indicate what gears can be used........that is a very dangerous statement. If in our opinion electric reels can be used and if the sub committee forgets to state it, it means that you wont be able to use it.
Before it used to be what you cannot use.. that is my old licence used to say I cannot use xbiki u parit. so all the rest I could use. NOW its going to be what I can use (very very dangerous).

[The_Gaffer]

I have to agree with Tony (Shanook) here.  It is better to only indicate what CANNOT be used, than to list down, black on white, what CAN be used.

[Gogo]

shanook Finally a good start.
Good as to depth limit for bottom lines from our end all agreed unless someone (amateur fisherman) says the contrary, that is not acceptable as proposed.
So far the cooperative did not dictate  but proposed and in turn I proposed differently. The two proposals on bottom lines are pending for further discussions.
I proposed the inclusion of rod and reel, imrejka etc... which were unanimously agreed to. Yes again thanks Tony I should add manual and electric reel. See how things can work out. Is this not consultation with all those that want to help.
Yes Tony once again you are right. The problem with the old law was that most of the Fishing gear was unknown at the time and has to be upgraded to the new technology now available.
There is my call for help. Maybe there  is a gear which is known by few people as imrejkba and will be left out. Maybe a gear is just missed as happened with outriggers.
Look most of the other terms of reference are straight forward and easy to deal with. This issue is so extensive and effects amateur fishermen that we have to pick on any gear and be mentioned. That is why I insisted to start with Fishing gear so that while going to other items one has ample time to tackle this issue.
So let sort out the bad from evil and then tackle the evil with all our might.
Joe(Gaffer) what can be used means without a  license. This was always so see S.L.10.12 1934. Amateur Fisherman are banned from catching Tuna but a license can be issued for a particular season as is now happening.
Gogo

[benri]

When it comes to equipment, as rightly suggested previously, I think it would be easier and safer to list the items that cannot be used instead of the items that can be used.