xi had qabat xi lampuki jew ????????????

[Granitu]

don't bother sending him to bugibba tony..... on saturday those who call themselves commercial fishermen were already netting the bugibba fads at 5.30am   then these same xxxxxxxx threaten you when you go next to theirs....... 

At this rate it sounds like it should be a free for all then and all FADs in the water can be fished by all! @The_Gaffer perhaps in your next meeting with the Fisheries board you can point out to them in the spirit of collaboration that their members do themselves no favours whatsoever during the Lampuki season.

It has been common practice to see commercial fishermen netting the various club FADs but then happily chasing, threatening and attempting to use violent force (Read carrying firearms) against those on the water.

Out of curiousity on what basis should FADs in International waters outside of the current 25nm fishing zone belong to anyone specific,  regardless of who laid them?

To be fair not all of them are violent and some let you fish on their fads as long as you do not damage them... but some commercial people are definately people not to mess with... and they are heavily armed

[The_Gaffer]

The 1st thing I'm asked when I challenge anyone in the board is if I have proof!

I would gladly champion the argument in the fisheries, but I cannot just put forward a suggestion that someone in the forum wrote in to state that commercial fishermen were actually rounding the recreational fisherman's FAD's with their nets. (no disrespect Benri, but I'm sure you understand)
The commercials in the board are well represented, indeed, it is only me and Dr.Joe who actually represent the recreationals.  

In any case, the recreationals are not helping their case either by being ever present on the commercial FAD's.  So it's not just a one way game Skip.  

[The_Gaffer]

don't bother sending him to bugibba tony..... on saturday those who call themselves commercial fishermen were already netting the bugibba fads at 5.30am  then these same xxxxxxxx threaten you when you go next to theirs.......  

At this rate it sounds like it should be a free for all then and all FADs in the water can be fished by all! @The_Gaffer perhaps in your next meeting with the Fisheries board you can point out to them in the spirit of collaboration that their members do themselves no favours whatsoever during the Lampuki season.

It has been common practice to see commercial fishermen netting the various club FADs but then happily chasing, threatening and attempting to use violent force (Read carrying firearms) against those on the water.

Out of curiousity on what basis should FADs in International waters outside of the current 25nm fishing zone belong to anyone specific,  regardless of who laid them?

To be fair not all of them are violent and some let you fish on their fads as long as you do not damage them... but some commercial people are definately people not to mess with... and they are heavily armed

Granitu, I would be very very careful what you say here.  This is a public forum, and you need to qualify what you mean by heavily armed!  Are you stating that they have RPG's, snipper rifles, automatic weapons?...what do you mean by heavily armed?

[benri]

You are right to a certain extent Joe but the least I want to do when going out for a day fishing with the kids is chase commercial fishermen to get a picture of them netting the recreational FADS with all it's repercussions.
Fishing for tuna is illegal so it was being monitored by Fisheries & ALE and not by us! Commercials rounding recreational fishermen's Fads is also illegal and does not need to be monitored by us either! That is why these departments are paid from tax payers money.... to do their duty! It will not take much of their precious time to go by the few established FAD lines for recreationals early morning and check for these bullies carrying out illegal activity!

[shanook]

When I was PTF registered I used to lay my fads (official ones).  On two occasions I caught full time fisherman using nets on my fads. When I confronted them all I got was, Nothing belongs to anyone out here ...and... Better shut up or else next time you won't find any of your fads afloat.
These were big boats, so all you can do is turn round and go home, no use getting involved in a fight over a lampuka.
This has always been their attitude, what's theirs is theirs and what's of others belongs to them as well.
Joe, I saw a sten gun on a boat, I actually saw it being fired on a 45 gallon tank. Devastating effect.

[Granitu]

don't bother sending him to bugibba tony..... on saturday those who call themselves commercial fishermen were already netting the bugibba fads at 5.30am   then these same xxxxxxxx threaten you when you go next to theirs....... 

At this rate it sounds like it should be a free for all then and all FADs in the water can be fished by all! @The_Gaffer perhaps in your next meeting with the Fisheries board you can point out to them in the spirit of collaboration that their members do themselves no favours whatsoever during the Lampuki season.

It has been common practice to see commercial fishermen netting the various club FADs but then happily chasing, threatening and attempting to use violent force (Read carrying firearms) against those on the water.

Out of curiousity on what basis should FADs in International waters outside of the current 25nm fishing zone belong to anyone specific,  regardless of who laid them?

To be fair not all of them are violent and some let you fish on their fads as long as you do not damage them... but some commercial people are definately people not to mess with... and they are heavily armed

Granitu, I would be very very careful what you say here.  This is a public forum, and you need to qualify what you mean by heavily armed!  Are you stating that they have RPG's, snipper rifles, automatic weapons?...what do you mean by heavily armed?

Gaffer i know of boats who keep registered firearms on board.. I would think an ak 47 is heavy armor....

[baghira]

Now the authorities also need confirmation or proof before they act and do their job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only In Malta

[busumark]

baghira it was always like this. even if they have photos they will tell you if you are ready to testify in court

[Granitu]

Now the authorities also need confirmation or proof before they act and do their job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only In Malta

Baghira registered firearms are legal to keep - This is a common legal misconseption. You may keep a firearm at home as long as it is registered with the police and it is not used. - its use, is illegal.

If you carry a huge knife with you in your car a random police check will ask you why - but if it is registered and within the perimeter of law it would not be confiscated - however if you use it to kill or threathen, police will charge you with its possession and illicit use - possession becomes a crime when you use it illicitly.

At sea it gets even more complicated, because if there is a use of a firearm 50 nautic miles off malta, if the area does not form part of the Malta territory it could be waters which are not subject to Maltese jurisdiction - 'no mans land'

Correct me if I am wrong

[The_Gaffer]

Now the authorities also need confirmation or proof before they act and do their job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only In Malta

To anwser another question - No I don't think the authorities need proof to act, and I never said so myself, what I did say is that in the fisheries board, I would be challenged to produce proof of what I am stating i.e. that commerial fishing boats are rounding up lampuki on recreational FADs.

Baghira registered firearms are legal to keep - This is a common legal misconseption. You may keep a firearm at home as long as it is registered with the police and it is not used. - its use, is illegal.

If you carry a huge knife with you in your car a random police check will ask you why - but if it is registered and within the perimeter of law it would not be confiscated - however if you use it to kill or threathen, police will charge you with its possession and illicit use - possession becomes a crime when you use it illicitly.

At sea it gets even more complicated, because if there is a use of a firearm 50 nautic miles off malta, if the area does not form part of the Malta territory it could be waters which are not subject to Maltese jurisdiction - 'no mans land'

Correct me if I am wrong

Not really, if you fire a weapon whilst on a Maltese registered ship, whether you are in Maltese territorial waters or on an inter-planetary journey to Mars, you are still on Maltese territory.  That is why registereed boats fly the national ensign of the country they are registered with. 

[The_Gaffer]

Besides, I think we are really over complicating matters here.  The argument still stands, until such time that recreational fishermen abuse commercial FADs, then expect the same treatment, or vice versa.  the question is, who will stop 1st, and who will continue to hold fast the truce!

[Granitu]

Now the authorities also need confirmation or proof before they act and do their job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only In Malta

Not really, if you fire a weapon whilst on a Maltese registered ship, whether you are in Maltese territorial waters or on an inter-planetary journey to Mars, you are still on Maltese territory.  That is why registereed boats fly the national ensign of the country they are registered with. 

To anwser another question - No I don't think the authorities need proof to act, and I never said so myself, what I did say is that in the fisheries board, I would be challenged to produce proof of what I am stating i.e. that commerial fishing boats are rounding up lampuki on recreational FADs.

Baghira registered firearms are legal to keep - This is a common legal misconseption. You may keep a firearm at home as long as it is registered with the police and it is not used. - its use, is illegal.

If you carry a huge knife with you in your car a random police check will ask you why - but if it is registered and within the perimeter of law it would not be confiscated - however if you use it to kill or threathen, police will charge you with its possession and illicit use - possession becomes a crime when you use it illicitly.

At sea it gets even more complicated, because if there is a use of a firearm 50 nautic miles off malta, if the area does not form part of the Malta territory it could be waters which are not subject to Maltese jurisdiction - 'no mans land'

Correct me if I am wrong

Thanks gaffer for your reply - appreciated

[busumark]

if a crime is committed outside territorial waters the state of the flag ship has jurisdiction on that boat.

[tankard]

Lahwa
I'll lampuki nistaw nejdulhom bye bye. Min xi snin ilu sajjieda taljani/sqallin bdew jitfaw Ic cimi/kannizati tahhhom u lampuka qed tibqa lbarra. Min hu delettant tar rixa, Jew trid tohrog I'll barra hafna Jew trejjex gol portijiet.

[Kevin G]

tankard it tlita kont sqalija u min monti ta hut ma jispica qat wihed biss kin hemm li kelu xi tuzana lampuki u kinu 14e il-kilo. qabel ekk kont nahseb imma isa ed jerga idur il hsieb.