2014 Bluefin Tuna Licence / Applikazzjonijiet għas-sajd rikreazzjonali tat-tonn

[savioursajdbis]

iva jien ekk nahsiba li haqom ax la taf li matistax tmurx alih tmurx u daqsek isa jek pkubinazjoni taqbat wihed itilqu u daqsek .jien alija min imur alih stagun maluq ax mux kapaci jistad mod ihor jew mejed bil guh sorry ima ekk nahsiba .

[lazyfisherman]

Ha nkun car - ghalkemm ghalija l-multa esagerata u mhux bi ftit mhux qed b'xi mod niskuza lil min deliberatament jikser il-ligi. Haqqhom multa tajba halli ma jerghux imma 24000 ghal tonnu ta 30kg way too much

[savioursajdbis]

u le vera 24000 mhux naqra imma ezzegerat imma aw hafna nies kull tant ma jitalmux u iwahlom il massimu jien li zgur ma naqbilx li tixtriom u zomom gol gageg tista coe jistaw ima taqbat wihed ma tistax dik li narha vijli jien .

[dgal0021]

Il-Multi ghat tonn huma gholjin anki f pajjizi hafna iktar l boghod min xtutna, personalment nahseb li ezagerati imma min x imkien trid tieqaf...

Nahseb kulhadd haqqu warning forsi jkun zball genwin... b riskju ta multa wara warning tahsiba darbtejn, tleta, erba etc 

http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2013/08/20/two-men-fined-for-illegal-sale-of-bluefin-tuna/

http://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/news/illegal-tuna-fishing-nets-skipper-10000-fine/2096057/

Even worse than a fine is jail...

Fishers found guilty of fishing illegally or selling black-market fish may face jail terms of up to 10 years and fines of up to $42,500 for individuals and $212,500 for a company, in addition to the forfeiture of the value of the catch.

[Kevin G]

u l-multi ta malta kemm qedin hali jekk ikun gahwn xi hadd jithajar jaqbdu ilegalment jahisba sew hehe

[The_Gaffer]

Il-fatti kif graw fl-Italia ma nafhomx, allura ma nistax nikkumenta jekk il-multa kienetx esagerata jew le.  Li Naf fuq l-Italia minn ghand l-assocjazzjoni Big game Italia li ghandhom lobby qawwi kemm mal fisheries tal-italia, kif ukoll mal-EU.  Minghalija il-kwota tad-dilettanti taljani hija ta 40 tunellata. Hemm lobby b'sahtu ukoll tal-qasam kummercjali tas-sajd.  Produtturi tal-attrezzaturi tas-sajd, u anki hwienet.
Hawn Malta l-istorja differenti.  Lobby ftit li xejn.  L-MFF u l-Federation biss issemmu lehinhom favur id-dilettanti tas-sajd.  Kieku mhux ghal dawn iz-zewg ghaqdiet, kieku addijo kwota tat-tonn ghad dilettanti.  
Lura ghal argument tal-multa.  Jien nghid li jekk kienu jafu bil-konsegwenzi, allura kullhadd responsabli ta' ghemilu.  Jekk ma kienux jafu, allura l-istorja differenti.  Hawn Malta ukoll differenti.  Kullhadd jaf il-konsegwenzi.  L-argument ta Gianni ma jreggix.  Ha nispjega ghala.  Jekk hiereg tistad, u taf li hemm regolamenti fuq is-sajd, ghandek tagharaf u taggorna ruhek ma dawn ir-regolamenti.  Nammetti li jkun hemm kazijiet genwini, imma l-maggoranza ma jkunux.  Kull minn ikun mal-fishfarms ghat tonn jaf x'qed nghid.  Kull minn johrog ghal lampuki jaf x'jien nghid, kull minn jitfa dik il-huta undersized fil barmil jew barrada, jaf x'qed nghid.  Hbieb tieghi, responsabilita u rispett lejn dik il-huta li qed nipprovaw naqbdu.  Naf x'qed nghid
Tqazzizt fuq FB nara ritratti u videos ta' kwantita kbira ta hut maqbud kemm fil-port u kemm barra ta undersized fish minn dilettanti bhalna.  Minfuq, nghamlulhom like u kummenti pjacevoli bhal nice catch, int il-king, u hafna kummenti ohra.    

[baghira]

24,000 euro huma ezagerazzjoni, kulhadd jghid li jrid.

Meta tqabbel ma infringments ferm ghar min dawn, li per ezempju jistghu joqtlu bniedem (bhal fil kas tal-igjene fl-ikel fil qasam li nahdem fih jiena), il-multi qatt ma naf li qabzu il 500 euro....
Mela jekk fil periklu huwa bniedem tehel 500 u jekk fil periklu tkun huta tehel 24,000.

Barra minn dan kulhadd jaf l-abbuzi li hawn minn min qed isiru. (u mhux fil kaz tat tonn biss, ghax nerga nghid, ghat tonn jien darbtejn hrigt f'hajti, u man nies mort, Tony shanook jikkonferma). Jigifieri hawn nistghu nerghu nghidu bi zgur li jekk jaqbdu lilek tehel iva, imma jekk ikun Pietru, Peppi, u Gwanni ..... hekk stroja ohra....... Dak mhux sewwa, u l-abbuz dawk qed ihegguh....

[shanook]

Mela taqbad tonna tehel 24,000 u tkaxkar il gieh u teqred kull ma hemm f zona protetta u ma jigri xejn???

[EmicMalta]

Jien haga nixtieq nistaqsi, meta jkunu dehlin bil gageg at tonn, f kull gagga kuljum imut numbru konsiderat ta tonn. Mhux nitkellem fuq xi tonnu 1 jew 2, imma ammont kbir kuljum. Dak xi jsir minnhu, u dak jkun imnizzel fil kwota? Niftakru li mhux gagga wahda tkun gejja.

[The_Gaffer]

Il-multa mhux l-argument.  L-argument huwa li wiehed ihallas tal-konsegwenzi.  Issa jekk tkun 1 euro, 1000euros jew 24000 euro, xorta ksirt il-ligi!
Illum tista tehel eluf ta euros talli toqtol tajra protetta!
Dak li qatel il-kelb, wehel minghalija 20,000 euros, u dan Malta!
Emic- nista nikkonferma li dak it-tonn li jmut u l-awtoritajiet ikunu jafu bih, jitnaqqas mill-kwota.  Ha nghati ezempju; is-sena l-ohra kien hemm xi karkassi tat-tonn max-xatt ta San Pawl, il-piz tahhom tnaqqas mill-kwota tal-fishfarms. 

[EmicMalta]

meta jsir hekk haga tajba, ax hi hasra meta huta tmut u ma tigiex konsumata.

[lazyfisherman]

Gaffer, ghalija l-argument precizament l-ammont tal-multa - il bqija ma hemmx wisq x' tikkummenta - la tikser il-ligi trid toqghod ghal konsekwenzi. U jekk tirispetta l-bahar u d-delizzju tieghek ma tmurx tikser il-ligi - la taqbad tonn bla permess u lanqas izzomm cerna ta 100 gramma fil-barmil. Ma hemmx argumenti. Imma il kastig ghandu jkun proporzjonali ghal 'crime'. Ghalija 24000 ewro ghal tonnu wiehed ma jiriflettix dan.

[Icom]

Rajtuwa din?

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140516/local/Brussels-pushes-to-ban-walls-of-death-.519189

[The_Gaffer]

Mela, lura ghall-argument tal-Multa.  Ghadni kif aggornajt ruhi ftit mal-ligijiet taghna l-maltin.  Skond Cap 425 li hija il-fisheries conservation and management Act tal 2001, aggornata fit-2006 u emmendata fit-2009, jekk issir kontravenzjoni bhal nghidu ahna sajd ghat tonn bla permess, il multa massima hija ta €11,000. Din il multa hija applikabli ghal minn qed jistad bla permess...mhemx ghalfejn ikollu tonn abbord!  Il ligi tippermetti lil fisheries protection officers biex jekk ikollhom reasonable doubt li ghandek irkatptu relatat mas-sajd tat-tonn jista jressqek b-arrest, dan billi jikkonfiska l-irkaptu li ghandek abbord, u jessebieh il-qorti. Dan l-irkaptu jista jintuza bhala prova kontrik. Il-ligi tippermettih dan. Jien minghalija li il-pulizija biss hawn Malta ghanda setat ezzekutivi, i ma l-att tal fisheries taghti is-sahha lil fisheries protection officers jaggixxu fuq l-istess livell bhal pulizija u AFM.  Oltre minn hekk, id-direttur tal fisheries ghandu is-sahha jahtar persuni ta' fiducja tieghu biex jaghmluha ta fisheries protection officers, bis-setghat kollha li ttijhom il-ligi.
Jekk ikollok permess biex tistad, nghidu ahna ghat tonn, imma tikser jew tmur kontra wiehed mir-regolamenti stipulati fil permess hekk kif mahrug mill fisheries, allura il-multa minima hija ta €2,239 sa multa massima ta €23,293.
Iggifieri jista jkun ( u mhux nghid li hekk hu, ghax mghandiex provi tahha din) li il ligijiet fejn jidhlu fisheries conservation and controls fl-EU huma iddentici, u il multi huma ugwali.

[markus]

x'kundizzjonijiet japlikaw fuq il-harira ? braid tista u sakemm hxuna massimu ?