Confused between Petecraft 16 or Buccaneer 150

The_Gaffer · May 02, 2014, 18:19:39 CET

The petecraft 16 open is a tried and tested boat. Its not the looks that count, but more importantly its how it handles in different sea conditions. There is no match to the Petecraft 16. If there was, i would have went for it.
My boat can do 28knots with the Yamaha 70hp. Imagine, 3 people on board, sea conditions choppy, wide open throttle, (28knts) and all of a sudden i pull the boat hard to starboard, and then again hard to port. No boat slipping, no leaning, no skimming or aqua planning, just turning....but best of all, not even one drop of water inside. Show me a 16 footer that can do that!

redhead · May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET

Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!

I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!

And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.

If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters ....

baghira · May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET

I would be very undecided about what to buy.....
I liked very much the style of the quicksilver activ 470 cruiser since that they managed to do a small cabin, and a nice sized deck for the size being. And everything is removable. A live well is easily done at the back. And there is little loss of space on the transom, since that the rear seats are backwards as much as possible. It does not need a large outboard to push...
I just saw them, and cannot compare to locals since that i did not go to see them. Maybe there is also a price gap....
i would like to know how it behaves in rough sea..... since that it does not have such a deep vee bottom.
It is very difficult for me since that my rib has the best vee bottom i have ever seen on a 16 footer..

Regarding the video here uploaded, i am sorry but it did not impress.

Regarding petecraft, i also think they have one of the best aestetics, along with some others..... i cannot comment about performance..

malvizzu · May 03, 2014, 19:04:28 CET

Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
... quicksilver activ 470 cruiser ... small cabin ... nice sized deck ... live well

Are you serious Silv

And of all the people you like a Quicksilver when you have one hell of a dinghy.

Quote from: baghira on May 03, 2014, 18:33:12 CET
It does not need a large outboard to push...

Maybe it's built of toilet paper that's why it's so light. No wonder prices are so low compared to local manufactured ones!!!

picar · May 03, 2014, 19:35:12 CET

I agree with you shanook about what you said on Seabrave. The new design of the 16ft looks very promising and looking into detail you can easily see the difference between other brands of boats (material and performance). Seabrave (former Kaptan) have made new designs and their performance is outstanding! If you check on the new Seabrave 18ft launched last year on their site you can make your own decision.
BUT please, always check and TRY the boats for yourself, it is you in the end who's gonna pay!

Granitu · May 03, 2014, 21:45:10 CET

Quote from: redhead on May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!

I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!

And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.

If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters ....

If I may ask, what boat do you own now?

The_Gaffer · May 04, 2014, 07:36:52 CET

Quote from: redhead on May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!

I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!

And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.

If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters ....

I stand by what i said. Still, it was very irrisponsible of you to put such words in the same sentence like quality, strength and durability while talking about Petecraft boats. Are you insinuating or even attributing your comments to Petecraft 16 open boats?
To answer everyones question, redhead owns a 15 year old kaptan sway 18 footer, modified to 20 feet, they took out the diesel engines and fitted in a 225HP outboard!.
This is what redhead wrote about his boat......
Hello my friends. I would like to add my 2 cent to this topic. I own a 15 year old Kaptan Sway which out of the factory was 18 feet long. This year we decided to rebuild this boat and all the work was carred out by the same manufacturer. The boat was modified to accomodate an outboard motor. We removed the 2 diesel inboards and placed a 225 e-tec at the back. The hull is now 20feet long including the new bracket which is practicaly part of the hull. Top speed is now 42knts and we can run indefinitly with speeds of over 30knts. The hull even at these speeds is rock solid and manuvrability is at it's best. It's true that the boat is old and it does not have the looks of a newer boat but I wouldn't change it for anything else in it's category. As far as fuel consumption we where pleasently surprised. The motor burns 40liters and hour at a speed of 30knts, 30lts and hour at a speed of 24knts and 4ltrs an hour at 6knts. We are very happy with the investment we made in this old lady which now can outperform most of it's more modern competitors. And if you want to know how a Kaptan Sway performes in force 3 winds than you can ask who ever owns or has owned one of these boats. And the good news is that now, the same boat builder is working on, and building a new 18ft model.

So his boat is second to none...the best of breed, rock solid.....
Of couse, redhead can say what he likes, its an open forum, but i cannot say that my petecraft is second to none.....

Now, a few months ago on this forum, we had a great example of responsibility by local boatmakers, shooting down each other on build quality and so forth. I do not recall, neither found evidence of, you Redhead, intervening here and telling the boat builders to exercise more caution especially because of newbees! I Wonder why?

redhead · May 04, 2014, 13:58:37 CET

Gaffer, you said no match, not second to none.

No match means it is above all others. It means this boat is way above the others.

Second to none means it is not inferior.

And yes we own the old lady. And after 3 years from the rebuild, I can confirm it was a great investment.

And no, I did not say that a Petercraft is a low quality boat (please point exactly where I said this). I owned one. But not being low quality does not mean being the best or no match to others.

And yes, saying that you can run WOT with any boat in high seas is irresponsible.

And no, I do not have any affiliation with any boat builder

And please cool down guys. Our boats are built for fishing and relaxing. We are not comparing HMS Hood to KMS Bismarck.

Granitu · May 04, 2014, 14:26:37 CET

Quote from: The_Gaffer on May 04, 2014, 07:36:52 CET
Quote from: redhead on May 03, 2014, 16:58:38 CET
Well Gaffer, saying that other boats are no match is talking big!!

I do not have anything to say against Petercraft boats. I owned one and it served me well. But to say that any other boat is no match.............well............I own a different boat now!!

And please everyone should stop all this non sense about boats running at full speed in heavy seas. I have been in heavy seas with people literally shiting there pants in my boat with fear. No 16ft boat is safe to drive in heavy seas at full speed. The way people talk give the impression to newbies that some boats are unsinkable. This is not responsible talking especially with newbies.

If any one needs my opinion, when looking for a boat if possible try it first (drive it yourself is possible). And consider construction quality. Lighter boats tend to be faster and more economical but at the sacrifice of strength and durability. And you need strength and durability in the choppy Maltese waters ....
I stand by what i said. Still, it was very irrisponsible of you to put such words in the same sentence like quality, strength and durability while talking about Petecraft boats. Are you insinuating or even attributing your comments to Petecraft 16 open boats?
To answer everyones question, redhead owns a 15 year old kaptan sway 18 footer, modified to 20 feet, they took out the diesel engines and fitted in a 225HP outboard!.
This is what redhead wrote about his boat......
Hello my friends. I would like to add my 2 cent to this topic. I own a 15 year old Kaptan Sway which out of the factory was 18 feet long. This year we decided to rebuild this boat and all the work was carred out by the same manufacturer. The boat was modified to accomodate an outboard motor. We removed the 2 diesel inboards and placed a 225 e-tec at the back. The hull is now 20feet long including the new bracket which is practicaly part of the hull. Top speed is now 42knts and we can run indefinitly with speeds of over 30knts. The hull even at these speeds is rock solid and manuvrability is at it's best. It's true that the boat is old and it does not have the looks of a newer boat but I wouldn't change it for anything else in it's category. As far as fuel consumption we where pleasently surprised. The motor burns 40liters and hour at a speed of 30knts, 30lts and hour at a speed of 24knts and 4ltrs an hour at 6knts. We are very happy with the investment we made in this old lady which now can outperform most of it's more modern competitors. And if you want to know how a Kaptan Sway performes in force 3 winds than you can ask who ever owns or has owned one of these boats. And the good news is that now, the same boat builder is working on, and building a new 18ft model.

So his boat is second to none...the best of breed, rock solid.....
Of couse, redhead can say what he likes, its an open forum, but i cannot say that my petecraft is second to none.....

Now, a few months ago on this forum, we had a great example of responsibility by local boatmakers, shooting down each other on build quality and so forth. I do not recall, neither found evidence of, you Redhead, intervening here and telling the boat builders to exercise more caution especially because of newbees! I Wonder why?

Definitely very good boats, but I think that the consumption is too high. My opinion

The_Gaffer · May 04, 2014, 15:06:31 CET

Quote from: redhead on May 04, 2014, 13:58:37 CET
Gaffer, you said no match, not second to none.

No match means it is above all others. It means this boat is way above the others.

Second to none means it is not inferior.

And yes we own the old lady. And after 3 years from the rebuild, I can confirm it was a great investment.

And no, I did not say that a Petercraft is a low quality boat (please point exactly where I said this). I owned one. But not being low quality does not mean being the best or no match to others.

And yes, saying that you can run WOT with any boat in high seas is irresponsible.

And no, I do not have any affiliation with any boat builder

And please cool down guys. Our boats are built for fishing and relaxing. We are not comparing HMS Hood to KMS Bismarck.

As i said, i stand by what i said. As a 16 footer, there is no match. That is my opinion, i do hope you will allow my that entitlement.
Please do point out where in all my posts did i mention high seas...i said choppy waters...look, read again...CHOPPY WATERS.....nothing compared to high seas......forsi tifhem bil Malti...imcafcaf
If there is anyone who should be doing the chilling...it is you mate...you and your condesending comments on responsibility!
Just so you don't miss out again....choppy waters is NOT high seas.
BTW - second to none means exactly that...it is the best or there is nothing better than it. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

skip · May 04, 2014, 17:22:16 CET

Easy does it guys. We have over the years seen countless posts from very proud boat owners feeling they have the best boat, and that's great to read and smile. A boat good for me , might not be good for you, so follow Shanook's advice and go try them out.

Locally built boats have proud owners. Plenty of Kaptan owners have posted accordingly over the years, and same goes for the Petecraft and Bucaneer owners, Tar-Ratal etc.

Count yourselves very lucky that you have a great choice of both locally built and foreign boats, but do remember that the views of a member are subjective and his own. They contain passion and all associated emotions.

Do your research well, hear what others have to say, but above all go and meet with the builders, see what works for you and if possible, try them out.

shanook · May 04, 2014, 17:23:58 CET

Joe just for English sake. "No match" means it's the best, number 1....."second to none" means it can have an equal. Not exactly the same is it.
Having said that, yes one can express an opinion that whatever one has is the best in the world, it's a free country and all our opinions are subjective.

redhead · May 04, 2014, 17:54:29 CET

Thanks shanook for understanding exactly what I mean.

Gaffer there is obviosly nothing personal in what I have written. I just happen to have a different opinion from yours when it comes to boats. We can both live and go along with that. You are obviously entitled to have any opinion.

I will not go into the merit of what choppy waters means. But if it means force 1 to 2 seas than ANY 16footer mentioned in this topic can handle that comfortably. I just happen to fish more in the winter season when rarely we are blessed with good weather on these windy islands.

caldaland · May 04, 2014, 18:01:10 CET

Personally,the boat I like best is the gravy boat!

shanook · May 04, 2014, 18:17:42 CET

Amen to that Max AMEN.........

@granitu...when you have a wider beam boat, it means more friction, when the boat is heavier it sits more in water so in both cases you need more power to move the boat, so more consumption of fuel. I think I indicated this in an above post in this thread.
Its a matter of what you want in a boat thats why a boat is subjective to ones needs. If you want to go to blue lagoon and spend a day on the boat, its better to have a wide beam, heavy boat so it wont roll about so much, apart from having a bit of more space. If you need to get to blue lagoon FAST then a narrow beam and a lighter boat will be the ideal. Its according to ones needs. If I want to troll with live bait a heavy, wide beam boat is better so it can go down to slower speeds like .75Knots, fishing for alungi well anarrow lighter boat will get me to 8 knots with less fuel consumption. So please GUYS we all know there isnt a boat that can satisfy every need in the world (especially a smaller 16').
Every boat is the best in the world for its owner, the important thing is for the owner to make his choice wisely before committing himself. know what you want and try to match the boat for your specific needs. Good luck to all new buyers.