Confused between Petecraft 16 or Buccaneer 150

The_Gaffer · May 05, 2014, 08:02:06 CET

Quote from: shanook on May 04, 2014, 21:20:19 CET
Quote from: The_Gaffer on May 04, 2014, 20:08:46 CET
However, you are entitled to your opinion...for all its worth

I am assuming you dont know the implication of what you wrote..........at least I am hoping that you dont?

Ma fhimtx ta !

malvizzu · May 05, 2014, 09:10:54 CET

@Baghira - what I always find strange and odd is that how come bigger boats than mine (especially imported ones) tend to have smaller engines compared to my size and engine. That's all. I know you have much more knowledge than me on boats and accept the fact that you have been on many more boats than me. I know the hull plays a very important part, but than the weight of a boat does not come from the hull but from the thickness of the fiber. Well at least that's my opinion. Apologies for my ignorance in this expertly forum!!!

shanook · May 05, 2014, 13:44:07 CET

So I assumed, right let me write in other words what you wrote.
"However you are entitled to your opinion......for what it's worth"
Means
"However you are entitled to your opinion.....not that it has any value"

That's why I asked, since I didn't believe you would state something like that.

The_Gaffer · May 05, 2014, 17:40:53 CET

Quote from: shanook on May 05, 2014, 13:44:07 CET
So I assumed, right let me write in other words what you wrote.
"However you are entitled to your opinion......for what it's worth"
Means
"However you are entitled to your opinion.....not that it has any value"

That's why I asked, since I didn't believe you would state something like that.

Tony, thats not what i meant with the phrase. I guess i better explain myself here. You know perfectly well Tony, that i come from an english speaking family. When i write in english, i think in english, and just write as like i was having s conversation....so....here it comes Tony -
For all its worth, what i meant is that when one expresses an opinion, those who heed that opinion get their money's worth (so to speak).. So Tony, please, don't interpret what I wrote as your opinion not having any value whatsoever.
I have a fair habit of using the phrase "for all its worth", however i never use it as interpreted by you Shanook. I hope that clears things.

shanook · May 05, 2014, 18:52:55 CET

Thing cleared. That's why I was amazed since you come from an English speaking family.
It's not my interpretation, it's the way we use it when we speak, so better be careful in its usage.
Exact meaning is and I quote" whether or not this has any value or use"
Or "when you are giving a piece of information and you are not certain whether that information is useful or important"
Or " even though it may not be important or valuable"

When you are using the phrase before or after you give advice it is ok to use it....but when you refer to someone else's opinion you are stating exactly what I said.

Good Example: ""for what it's worth, this is my opinion"".........meaning here is my opinion, now whether to use or not up to you. This is being used wisely.

Bad example: you are entitled to your opinion....for what it's worth. Meaning your opinion is of no value. This is used in a rude manner.

Enough said this is a thing of the past lets move on.

The_Gaffer · May 05, 2014, 19:19:08 CET

Quote from: shanook on May 05, 2014, 18:52:55 CET
Thing cleared. That's why I was amazed since you come from an English speaking family.
It's not my interpretation, it's the way we use it when we speak, so better be careful in its usage.
Exact meaning is and I quote" whether or not this has any value or use"
Or "when you are giving a piece of information and you are not certain whether that information is useful or important"
Or " even though it may not be important or valuable"

When you are using the phrase before or after you give advice it is ok to use it....but when you refer to someone else's opinion you are stating exactly what I said.

Good Example: ""for what it's worth, this is my opinion"".........meaning here is my opinion, now whether to use or not up to you. This is being used wisely.

Bad example: you are entitled to your opinion....for what it's worth. Meaning your opinion is of no value. This is used in a rude manner.

Enough said this is a thing of the past lets move on.

Ha ncedijielek ghax nemmen 'age before beauty'

shanook · May 05, 2014, 19:24:19 CET

yep you are right on this one ''Experience always supersedes looks'' ;)PPP

shevino · May 06, 2014, 13:02:28 CET

guys, thanks a lot for your feedback even though at the end it turned out to be more of an english session

One other thing please if I may ask. If I happen to come across a second hand boat which I would be really interested in, would you know of any good contact whom I can ask to inspect the engine and confirm that is in good working order? And maybe also help me in identifying boat osmosis and other defects?

Any contacts would be highly appreciated, you can private message them to me as well. Typically how much would they charge for such service? So as to have an idea and not get ripped off in the eventuality.

Thanks again

shanook · May 06, 2014, 14:22:28 CET

dont think one person can give you both services. A mechanic for the engine and a boat manufacturer for the body. Dont know about surveyors ho they work. I just got a surveyor as my boat is 14 years old and he checked it out (never checked for osmosis).
Hope someone can give you phone numbers who to call. Good luck Shevino....is that lady Wine??? SHEvino=lady sheVINO= wine

baghira · May 11, 2014, 22:33:35 CET

This week I have been with my friend Shanook to see the new Seabrave 16 footer.
This boat is not ready yet, I saw the hull and the deck put together but unfinished, but for sure this boat needs to be considered as well. It is very large for its size, since that the transom is 6 foot wide, and it is designed to take 2 outboards without a bracket for an auxillary.... A twin motor setup is also a possibility. The front compartment is a large cooler with drain, and the double bottom is filled with foam.
The hull has a nice 19 degree inclination and made of a nice thickness of fibreglass with a robust skeleton, and the seat can be turned into a livewell or a storage box.
The console is a centre one with ample storage underneath. The boat will have some nice runaround space, and the one which will be finished soon is an open setup, but in the future they said that they will make a half cabin.
Johnston was very nice to show us and explain to us some technical aspects, and he said that he will take us for a sea trial which for me is a very important factor before commenting on stability...
I cannot comment about the aesthetics since that the boat is unfinished,,, will wait...

Moonwalker · May 19, 2014, 14:27:11 CET

I am still waiting for a day when local manufacturers/importers would meet with their category boats and have them tested on a TV program. And it must be in the open water not in ports. But it must be on the same day and possibly running side by side (each with a camera on board) because an F3 sea today can be quite different from an F3 sea of tomorrow. A little swell makes all the difference including the handling and the consumption.

@shevino - I still have the Kaptan Trend 16ft for sale if interested.