I have bought myself a pole

fish-noob · April 01, 2009, 20:34:08 CET

hi spitec

i stand to be corrected, for sure!! when using shrimps at least i put a very small piece at the end of the hook so i can hook immedeatly because when they start playing aroung with it, expecially vopi they just pluck it off. worms i found better because they have a hard time pulling that off and i have a much better chance of a strike. regarding bread i know that every fish eats it. lol. i just dont like it mebbe because it either comes too soft or when making the farka for mullet it ends up as a big disaster.. this is just saying from my limited experience. i have alot and alot to learn and its great.....

mulett75 · April 01, 2009, 20:59:53 CET

Fish-noob, as you said bread is the most effective bait that one can use. You can catch anyfish on it. As regards the way to prepare it, I use golden slices. I go to the factory in San Gwann and buy what is called "RETURN". It will be 3 to 4 days old. I find it the ideal way to prepare the bread or GHAGNA. I take off the crust dip it in water for 3 to 4 seconds, put it in a cloth and squezze, to take out all the water. For sure you will get a good result.

fish-noob · April 01, 2009, 21:03:10 CET

The cloth thing is new, as i think u leave les water in the bread!! great ill try that

placebo · April 01, 2009, 22:36:08 CET

@ blueskip - to eliminate wind and currents moving your float very quickly there is a small trick.

obviously this when using a running float - as soon as you cast put your rod's tip in the water and lock your reel immediately. This will avoid much slack in the line that will result in a more efficient strike of the fish!

a sinking line is recommended.

.......... but the topis is about pole fishing

mike.d. · April 03, 2009, 19:11:26 CET

blueskip you have hit the nail on the head, the whole idea of the long pole is contact with the float, i remember fishing a match on the river cam in cambridge, (the bob smith trophy) which i won, but the water was only just over 2 feet deep, fishing with an 11mtr pole, the float was 6inches from the tip of my pole, a 0.2gram float and a size 20 hook, by the way my eyesight was a lot better in them days,
long poles are best suited to ponds, lakes, rivers and canals, but not sea fishing, i didnt know of anyone using a pole sea fishing in the uk, but then the shoreline is more suited to beachcasting etc.

blueskip · April 03, 2009, 19:25:16 CET

You should see the shoreline in Malta 95% are using poles, the other 5% are tourists!

I have seen the differences in catches between the two methods, no comparison, saying that they dont have 300mts of 5ft breakers crashing in, or a stupid mph wind blowing in their faces, its usually like fishing a gravel pit or canal in the UK, only a bloody sight warmer!

placebo · April 03, 2009, 21:36:53 CET

joking blueskip! it's far more prodcutive using a pole rod!

you can not fish those breams you saw (xilep) on a rod reel.
Actually you can but it's not good to leave such fish in water for many long.
with a reel rod you have to give drag and by doing so it will make the other breams go away for some time and you have to wait a little to catch the next one. You will have to start grounbaiting again and wait until the shoal comes in again.

when we fish pole floats it is in mossy waters and we fish just right on the area where the fish goes up to feed.

such pole (5mtrs ideally) will have to be traced with a 0.20 - 0.25mm line which will enable a lift of a 1kg fish.

that is also the way the kahlija (saddled bream) is fished. This fish is very cunning and by fishing with a reel rod you will make the fish shoal go away for sure.

the thinking is - lifting the fish out of the water ASAP.

When you are here i will explain better. There are times when it's more productive to fish reel rod but other times according also to the type of fish being targeted it's more advantageous using a lifting pole.

On the other hand I think that fishing mullet in some deep places it's still good to try the elastic on the 13mtr poles. I do not think much tried it in Malta but I am sure it will work.

In the menatime we look forward maybe one day we can do an international tournament in Malta and then we will compare!

mulett75 · April 03, 2009, 21:53:40 CET

I like to add with the above, using pole in competitions is much useful especially when fast fishing is practiced

mike.d. · April 04, 2009, 08:58:00 CET

great idea placebo, why not pick out the best from all the clubs and have a comp, then go on to international standards, in my humble opinion this is one thing malta could win, but would take mega organising, sponsorship etc, go for it.
something i would love to be involved in.

blueskip · April 04, 2009, 14:39:50 CET

You read my post wrong Placebo, what I said was that 95% of shore fishing done in Malta is with the pole, & those who dont fish the pole are tourists, & they dont catch anything because they are using "reel rods" & cant get the bait, or hold the bait, in the exact spot. As you say casting & trying to drag the bait to where the shoal is spooks them & they swim off, with a pole you can drop it on their nose without any diturbance, you cant leger a big bottom bait with a pole, but how often does legering work in Malta, it has never been very successful for me out there, I have only ever caught small stuff on the "reel rod" when using a float, I dont think I have ever had a bite legering!

mulett75 · April 04, 2009, 21:16:57 CET

Blueskip, please note that we do use reel rods during our fishing time. Presently I am fishing for mulett with the reel rod, using the pater noste method, i.e. weight underneath and a hook hanging about half meter up. I am fishing with farka, and can cast about 10 to 15m away. I am finding this method very useful especially where there is shallow water or the sea is very clear.

blueskip · April 05, 2009, 15:28:21 CET

Good for you, but I have failed miserably compared to the pole fishermen in Malta, ok I have caught plenty of small ones, but I have always been well beaten by the pole fishermen. Using a paternoster with a bottom weight, or a running leger is ideal for use with rod & reel, but when it comes to float fishing you wont beat a pole angler!

mulett75 · April 05, 2009, 19:17:08 CET

I know, because I am very keen on pole fishing. With the pole, the strike is more prompt, where you have no access line. The strike with the will be a shortone not like when you are using the reel rod where you have to have a long strike.

placebo · April 05, 2009, 21:53:21 CET

all depends on the place where you're fishing and the type of fish targeted.

Weather conditions also play an important part. Pole fishing is more ideal in mossy waters and when the water is not so clear!

blueskip · April 06, 2009, 16:59:15 CET

Adrian what is "mossy water"? I would have thought it was good in clearwater as well, casting a float then dragging it back to the exact spot causes more disturbance than dropping the bait straight down surely? so I would have thought that clear water pole fishing would have an advantage over the rod & reel?
I know that the pole anglers in the UK are much more successful than the rod & reel anglers in clear water in lakes & canals, but the rod & reel is better suited to rivers where leger tactics & feeder tactics are favoured. You couldn't use a pole in the sea in the UK the sea is far too rough, the water too dirty, & the tidal movement too fast, it would be fine in a marina, but most marinas wont allow fishing in there anyway. So I am looking forward to trying it out in Malta.