Police came and stoped spinning fishing

Started by EmicMalta, May 25, 2008, 23:02:14 CET

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Granitu

don't give them your particulars unless they define any law!!!! else they are breaking a rule....
Good season so far.....

ciappinu

There are alot of rumours going on. Any new laws, I can reassure you guys, will be to our benefit. I know that in the near future there will be laws concerning sizes, such as voparella. However don't belive all you hear!
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gabaj

Interesting how the Gozitans apply the law especially when it comes to deal with their best tourists, the Maltese. I am no expert of the law but if they apply the same principle like when issuing parking tickets this rule or law is probably for more relevant to the maltese . However not to contrast with the law it would be wise to first ask the police for their identification number  and then more info re which law is being broken. I am sure that the police have the knowledge of the laws and will be happy to educate you and also give a very clear explantion of the law.They will never try to intimidate you without detailing every aspect of the law and what is the infringment.When this is all done you thank them for the info and explain like busumark said.
With regard to busumark's comment it should be voted the best comment of all time and should be a special prize,something like a barakuda trained lure would be nice.
Also I will be starting a new topic and wish all to help me out, it will be under the heading of 'Help required on how to train my lure for fishing in Gozo'.

shanook


visa

First of all welcome to markcam hope you enjoy the forum and please post photos /fils of your catches and dives just saw a dive of yours on u tube prosit.

Guys dont get carried away lets see what actualy happened and then wetake it from there,  could be they were fishing from the salt pans which happen to be private property and thus they were trespassing and were told not to go there again on the salt pans as i go fishing there quite often and know that the salt pans are out of bounds so lets see.
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skip

Emic, did you ever get the full story of what happened, as I've heard a couple of different variations. It's important that's it's clear exactly what went on.

ramio

Hi Guys, I just joined in, trying to get myself familiar with your site. My view about these restrictions is that we have a lot of things to learn. Although some of us may respect the sport, a lot of others don't. How many of us put back fish which are undersized? Can we take to fish in seasons only? Most of us don't like to fish with restrictions. Let?s not make a mountain from a mole hill. Let?s check and confirm the laws on the subject. Drastic measures probably will be taken especially now with the EU. Fishing is getting from bad to worst year by year, something has to be done.
Tralling is my main method of fishing, and I think it?s one of the most sensible and selective way to sport fish. Nets are a major hit on the fish stock, there is no selectivity in what you catch. I think that is where the problem really has to be tackled.

I think together we can educate and bring more respect to the sport, this forum is a good stepping stone. We can set an example for others. Let sport not greed lead.
Can't wait to go fishing

skip

You're right Ramio, I'm into trolling myself and it's def a sport! If it were a commercial venture we would have gone bankrupt long ago!!

Aside from nets, I'm not a fan of long lines as it's totally non-discriminatory, they bait their hooks up and get whatever is passing in the area, obviously with limited control of species or size. By the time they come back to recover their catch I think most of the fish are dead or unlikely to survive if they were released, so you often get species that shouldn't be caught or too small being hooked up.

I understand that it's a living for these commercial fishermen, but they also have to understand that if things continue they will have no sustainable living in the future. In the US they put moratoriums for certain periods of the year on long lining and other styles, for the sole purpose of reviving the fish stocks. We don't seem to have learnt that yet, especially with nets and the sort.

Yes certain things are done like making sure the net hole diameter is not too small or the hooks on the long line are a good size to try and detract smaller fish, but I wonder how effective this really is.

For the type of fishing that we do as sport fishers, either from shore or from a boat, I think we have a negligible impact on fish stocks. Whilst I agree with Catch and Release either because they are too small, or because you can't take home any more fish, it doesn't work if only a select few do it. It would need to be imposed across the country, monitored and also applicable to part time and full time fishermen.

Any trolling catches this year?

skip


bigboy

Skip regarding you comment about longlines, i love fishing with longlines and it is not true that you dont target your fish. example when i longline for sargi i usually get sargi only because i fish an area where you can find sargi. then the size of the fish you get depends on the size of the hooks. if like myself you use large hooks than you will get large fish.

MartinB

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I agree (and personally practice) the release of undersized fish but as skip mentioned i think collectively our catches have a negligble negative impact on fish stocks.
The worst problem in my opinion is un-checked commercial net trawling which not only catches fish indiscriminatley but also does alot of damage to the seabed and is happening very close to the shore despite this being illegal.. >:( ::)
Pollution over the years hasn't been doing the sea any favours either!

Adequate laws to protect the sea have been here a long time..its just that they have not been enforced (which to me makes no sense..law without enforcement is a mute point at best,impotent at worst!!) e.g. whilst growing up the sea around the area i live was being BOMBED practically on a daily basis at one point in time.....

I just hope that the authorities don't use amatuer fishing or sport fishing as a scape goat for the present problems.

Hunters are/were being TOTALLY blamed for the reduction in numbers of birds breeding in malta,hence the current laws,and whilst this is an extremely valid & just point,the other crucial issues like the VAST reduction of their natural breeding habitat over the years has always been neatly side-stepped or totally ignored all in the name of commercial interest.

Im not a hunter btw (as i cant really see the point of killing a living creature just to put it in a glass case) all im hoping is that sport fishing dosen't end up going the same way!! and to be honest,no offence intended,but given the point i mentioned above im not exactly overflowing with confidence at the way any laws are being interpreted or implemented.
However lets hope that any proposed new laws for the good, will be implemented fairly right across the board and of course are ENFORCED in the same manner.
Guess we'll all have to wait & see...


skip

Quote from: bigboy on June 01, 2008, 23:49:19 CET
Skip regarding you comment about longlines, i love fishing with longlines and it is not true that you dont target your fish. example when i longline for sargi i usually get sargi only because i fish an area where you can find sargi. then the size of the fish you get depends on the size of the hooks. if like myself you use large hooks than you will get large fish.

Hi BigBoy,

Thanks for the insight. I was more referring to the full time fishermen who lay their lines out quite far offshore. For example at this time of years sometimes the large female lampuki are caught and sold which is such a shame as they never get to spawn.

My point was more along the lines of don't target us sport fishers and amateurs and make an example out of us just because we're easier to enforce, whilst ignoring the commercial guys. As Martin pointed out as well.

The_Gaffer

So true about commercial longliners fishing offshore.  Throughout the year, you can see alot of 1-2kgs swordfish for sale at different fish hawkers. The problem with fish caught on longlines is that most of the fish are already dead when hauling in the lines.  So any fish (swordfish/tuna) caught on longlines which are too small cannot be released back into the sea.   
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bigboy

i know guys who longline for swordfish in october and november and catch those very small swordfish and i am totally against it. Sometimes even 50 are caught in one catch. We fish for swordfish with size 2 hooks and it is impossible to catch a small swordfish. infact it is very rare that we find a swordfish weighing less than 5kg. Also to point out it is maybe 1 out 10 swordfish that are found dead as usually we rarely find dead fish. Tuna is much stronger then swordfish and so it lives longer.

jessijames 2

Hi MartinB

You said that trwalers  are distroying the sea beds the trawlers that i know they troll on the mud bottom which very few or no plants at all will grow. And i think that the fish that grows in 150/350 fathoms is not going to come to shore in the 50 fathom area to be cought by a rod. Any way where do we want them to go  every summer the bottom is bombarded with stone for lampuke. The only palce is left for the trawler is the hard bank and the medina bank which last summer there was'nt that good.Regarding hunting that i am not a hunter.where do we want the birds to breed in a stone quary, because with the drowught thats how the land looks like. The island of comino is a natural reserve an no birds are breading what the poor bird is going to eat satar.The problem is who is going to stand up and tell the goverment to start raising fish and birds and let them lose so the sportsmen will have his day of fishing or hunting. Maybe one day this web site will be so strong that not the goverment, will listen but the EU.