Hi guys
yesterday we went out deep water fishing about 6 miles out of gnejna
It was quite succesfull we caught 4 cippulazz and a dog fish unfortunatly we lost a few nice ones
the most attacked bait was squid slices with a lumi bead or starlite 3 feet above the bait
Simon G
Hi Simon,
Was that during the day, or at night? And how far down were u fishing?
Hey simon,
i am interested too, i have nearly all the gear at night but want to catch something on a bigger scale,
any hints or tips or better still locations?
FIN
Yes me too.....I'd really be interested. Let out the secrets! What depth do you fish in? The only things I catch from the bottom are Tracni, Morini and Serran!
basically i look for ridges at between 100-300 mt deep mainly straight of gnejna cos it gets deep quick.
if you are finding tracni etc etc you are in shallow water 30-60mt
once you go below 100mt no sunlight penetrates so you need to attract the fish using lights
a good tip is to add a bait trail
this can be done by stuffing a feeder or onion sack with bits of fish and sardine oil. This creates a scent trail that fish chase
i usually use an onion sack which is tied to the lead, that way when you drift you always have the fish chasing!!!!
Good luck boys
So If I use an onion sack with sardine oil, I wouldn't need lights right? Do you usually let lights down 100 metres or so? How can you do that?
Thanks for the great tips.....mostly appreciated.
Electralume's are the best lights you can get for night fishing and can go way way down! Otherwise for attracting baitfish and swords etc something like the swordlight.
http://www.electralume.com/
http://www.swordlights.com/
Skip
good tip skip
i use starlights or chemical light which i attatch 3mt from the bait
using both (light and burly) will increase your chances 10fold
good luck
might be launching some long lines next week will keep you posted
we caught 4 bazuk and 2 sargi which where 500g and 3 pagell 300g+ in 60mt outside tuna farms on 200 hook long line
i use an electric reel (got it through internet) and fish at depths between 330 - 400mtrs. We once landed a grouper of 10kgs and, up to last year, many bazuk....attached a pic of a good catch! This year bazuk landings diminished, however we get good strikes from morrun and hniezer.....difficult to land from 400mtrs though....we use shrimps and 'lacci' as bait and also lights to attract fish......planning to go next Thursday ;D
Nice catch, which make/model electric reel are you using and what do you have it spooled up with, line wise. Also approx how far out are you going?
Skip
yep...was a nice catch.
i have the Miya Epoch CX6. I bought it from an Italian fish-tackle supplier. It is spooled with 1000mtrs Rosa Rekord soft low memory dakron lifting up to 70lbs (0.30mm). I got both the reel and the line at a very good price (compared with maltese prices). Especially the line, which costs around lm100 for 1000mts here in Malta. I got the 1000mtrs for lm50. We have a couple of good ridges off shore about 20nm off filfla. If you have a good fish finder (reading over 500mtrs) then you can find good reefs ranging from 200 - 400mtrs (I landed best catches from these depths) in the SW/WSW area. However, we never used any bait trails. ??? Any tips of how I utilize bait trails?.....cheers....
sorry, found the bait trails trick further up thanks to Simon.....
went deep sea fishing yesterday. it was a good one, caught 2 cintorini (one of them was about 5.5" long - 2.5 kgs), about 8 sawrell tal-imperjal and about 6 good sized bazut (from 0.8 - 1.5kgs). We had extreme strikes and had our cable-wire rigs torn a few times; Also one bazut had an eye piercing as I found a small hook below its eye....had good fun and will hope to do it again before we close season...
hi sim have you got some good tips on how to fish for cippolazz? have been trying to gather information but not a lot is available
thanks
regards jiggy
yep, me too, have been trying to fish a cippulazza for ages....
cippullazz are found on rocky bottoms from 10-150 mt i normaly target areas which are at about 50-60 mts deep mainly under the cliffs or out by the outer edges of the reefs
Good luck guys
went deep sea fishing to-day. caught 10 nice cipulazz 5 skorfon t'ghajnu 2 gringi 1 merluzz and 1 big gallina. sorry no photos forgot camera and my friend took everything with him at his home
Deepsea can you tell me if the display monitor is in English or in Japanese. As I was thinking of buying of buying one but the fact that it might be in Japanese kind of puts me off.Not the buttons as that does not bother me its the display window that I am bothered about.
shanook if you are thinking of buying an eletric reel search on the net for the kristal fishing xl410. i people who use and i think for their price are realy good. you can use it also as a downrigger. they take more line than the other eletric reels and you can take an extra spool so that if your line is cut you just change the spool. the agent in malta is gaetano caruana in zebbug the shop that sells agriculture things. there is a shop also in catania just a few metres away from the port and some peolpe told me that its about lm70 more cheaper than in malta
Thanks for your help Busumark will look into it.
hi twoutes long time no see. Know anything about miyax4 and daiwa tanacom 1000
before you buy a reel check the line capacity. it has to be at least to take 1000m of 50kg braided line. i spoke with a person who goes deep sea fishing and also charters a boat for deep sea fishing he has the miya epochx4 he told me that its not heavy duty. the epoch x4 and the tanacom 1000 dont take that much line. the ryobi are good and even daiwa and the miya have good models but those that are good are very expensive
10x busumark. Miya x4 and Daiwa 1000 takes 1100m of 50lb line braid. 900m of 80lb braid. I suppose for now it will have to do.I give a try and see what results i get. If I like then I upgrade if not at least I wouldnt spen that much. Will keep you guys posted but later on as my boat is on the hard, so are all my buddies boats. I think with 40Kg drag it cant be that bad. the only thing I can say is 'provare per credere'.
On the Miya Epoch X-4 (CX4) can put a max of 44lbs of drag and spool 350yards of 50lbs mono. Using that as a reference and the line calculator at http://www.accuratefishing.com/support/linecal.php? you could get 949 yards of 80lbs Spectra Braid which should be more than enough to start off with. You'd only be able to get 567 yards of 150lbs Spectra on that reel.
The tanacom TB1000 shows 900 yards of 80lbs Spectra.
My question however is, why would you need 50kg line when bottom fishing? I mean thats basicaly a winch then not a reel. Never been bottom fishing, so curious
if you catch a fish and you have a 40kg line and breaks you will be sorry for life. i know that it will the exception but better safe than sorry. you can catch a big hanzir or muruna altough the most cathes are cipullaz and bazug and skorfon t'ghajnu. you can fish in depths up to 800m and if there is a bit of current you will need more line
Sounds totally awesome fishing in such depth! Tell me what do the commericial fishermen use? Do they use very thick line and use their winches to take it down. And then what's on the end of the rigging, multiple hooks with bait etc?
wow we got skip interested mmmmmmmmmmm deep fishing next season skip?????
Buzumark if the fish finds cover in rooks then no matter what line u have it will either break or else u have to cut as you wont take it out. On the other hand if the line doesnt tangle with rocks than with a drag of 30kg u can play a big fish. I know that the quicker u bring a fish up the better in bottom fishing but i still think its fun with these small electric reels. There is no way that I can fish those depths with a hand reel. it takes 15/20 minutes with an electric reel to bring a 2kg weight imagine me reeling it in all the way.................... no way Hoze.
Interested but I think its pretty serious money to get geared up for serious extreme bottom fishing!! When I've got some money will give it a whirl for sure.
with the eletric reel you have to leave the weight about 10ft above the bottom so that you reduce the chances to get the weight stuck. the terminal should be at least mono .70 so the braided has to be stronger than that for sure. on average these reels can wind up 80mt per min. skip if you are fishing in more than 600mt you use 9 hooks with 1.80 mono 3ft apart from each other and the rest u use the orange nylon. if you are fishing in less depth you use a konz with 100 hooks. you need a winch to pull them up
shanook mister fish has miya epoch x4 it was about LM275. the daiwa i dont know how much it costs or who has them in malta. but for nearly the same price i would go for the kristal fishing xl410 and if you dont have a downrigger you can use also as a downrigger. an eletric downrigger i think costs more than LM120 so you would have saved that money. and the rod has to be all roller because of the braided line
SKIP see the pictures i posted in photos of your catch of the cipulazz
Sorry I posted in the wrong part! Wonderful real fish!! What do you use as bait when fishing so deep?
Thanks for your advice busumark. It is a matter to ponder on. We shall see which way my mind takes me. I have rod with rollers its an 80Lb Mitchell.
Where do you buy your rods from? You dont tend to find 80lbs rods here so am curious!
Quote from: skip on February 11, 2008, 20:50:11 CET
On the Miya Epoch X-4 (CX4) can put a max of 44lbs of drag and spool 350yards of 50lbs mono. Using that as a reference and the line calculator at http://www.accuratefishing.com/support/linecal.php? you could get 949 yards of 80lbs Spectra Braid which should be more than enough to start off with. You'd only be able to get 567 yards of 150lbs Spectra on that reel.
The tanacom TB1000 shows 900 yards of 80lbs Spectra.
My question however is, why would you need 50kg line when bottom fishing? I mean thats basicaly a winch then not a reel. Never been bottom fishing, so curious
SKIP
for a fish like this or perhaps bigger it would be safer if you had a 50kg braided line. caught yesterday altough we were lucky we caught it with a number 9 mustad hook and a .70 mono braccol. 40kg dott
Thats a nice dott u have there busumark, well done. How deep were you fishing. Was the mustad a circle hook. Nosey shanook.........
were fishing in 200mt. mustad hook 'tal-label hamra' normal hooks not circle. they are very strong hooks. i spoke with people who use circle hooks some told me they are good and others told me that fish also get away with them.
with circle hooks the fish are supposed to set the hook themselves as with deep fishing its difficult to set the hook. But as I always say you have to try urself to know.
that is what they are supposed to do but they are expensive also. but like other things ie lots of coloured lures and many more things finally the manufacturers make new things to sell more and not always because are better to fish with
Well said!! I think the modern marketing machine is sometimes all hype to increase sales, though in this case circle hooks are usally very well respected but for used when presenting live or dead bait, not on lures.
Its true that most of the fishing equipment does its first job of capturing the User rather than the fish buttttttttttttttttt having said that it makes a difference for sure as when I troll and change the lures it makes a difference between catching and going empty handed even when trolling with multiple lures I get hit on a particular lure and not on another so there must be something that works.
yepp its true shanook there is something. BUTTTTT sometimes i found it to be that is not cos of the lure, its because of the weight aswell. i often troll two identical lures with different weights and i catch on one but not the other. Then another thing sometimes the more the lure is scratched and wared out the more strikes you get :)
It's something I tended to agree with when trying to work out why one lure is doing better than another if they are the same, but one thing to pay attention to is that of lure type and placement within the spread. To get this right I think you need some knowledge but above all experience based on weather conditions, species targeted, what the fish are feeding on etc.
Even if you have identical lures at identical depths you will still find that only certain ones get hits and thats why in a four rod spread you have different types, contrasting colours and different placements. I for one, have lots and lots to learn in terms of getting this right, and further reading to get ideas might help but ultimately its about trying it out and gaining the experience.
back to bottom fishing, (love to continue this about lures, weights and what have u somewhere else as I dont like to post in wrong topic). I am open to suggestions rigging set up and what have u, as my intention is to try this out in coming season. Busumark has convinced me in placing at least 100Lb line. next comes the weight, trace line, hook size, swivels, lights and I suppose one needs bait!!!!!!!!!! so busumark take note I am about to get u fed up with questions LOL
Take Busu out with you tackle shopping and then out on your boat, probably the quickest way of getting it done lol!! But would be nice to read what he suggests.
yep better to get posts here so that way anyone interested will jot down notes without having to ask questions. grrrrrrrrrr
shanook i dont have first hand expereince with eletric reels because when we go deep sea fishing we go with konz or hjut. but i searched a lot on the net and spoke to two persons who have been using them for a number of years. yesterday i went to camilleri marine in bir id-deheb he has the miya epoch x4 HP. its line capacity is 800mt of 80lbs braided. the price is LM275 but when we were reading the instructions it wasnt very clear how much weight it can pull up. i once found a site that explains everything how to fish and make the rigs. i will try to find it again and post it.
Thanks busumark if you find the site it will definetly help. I found sites and fishing rigs but would prefare first hand information with fishing in Maltese waters. Its a bit different. I know that 1Kg is good as weight. 2Kg when with some current. The hooks would be the same as with konz as well as the line and bait. I can always ask Josef of Mr fish or Ta' Bormla (Mosta shop). I have to put my heart into it and move my ass and go looking at our shops in Malta to see what it really entails. I must be getting lazy in my OLD age.....
I really really appreciate your interest and help in the subject.
there are ready made rigs from kristal fishing. i think they are good for malta. kristal fishing is a product of italy so it will be good also for malta http://www.bluemarlinchronicles.com/complete_deep_drop_rigs_with_lights.htm
the owner of the big pet shop next door to mr.fish fgura goes deep-sea fishing and cathes a lot of fish but i never spoke with him and i dont know if he will tell you what you have to do. you can do the rigs yourself but to do them properly you would need the tool to press the aluminuim crimps to use them as stopers for the beads and swivel. for light above the terminal you can use a swordfish light if you dont want to buy a deep-sea light but it costs about LM13. if you use bait that comes off easily from the hook like big shrimps or lacci mr.fish has like 'spag' that strecthes and you wind the bait with it. the 'spag' than dissolves in water. the most important thing is the reel first make a list of what you found on the net and than go in the shops with it and see the reels and after you have all the information you can decide what to buy. when we meet we can speak more about it
You guys are making me go crazy about deep sea fishing lol. Id really love to try deep sea fishing and ieventually i am going to rig up my boat to be able to carry this kind of fishing out. Busumark you fish with hjut right?? I have 2 kinds of winces one with plattini (which i think would be ideal to pull up the collin) and then i have a winc tal lakstu (tal pixxispad biex niftehmu). Do you know of any good areas deeper than 100fa in the NW - NE of malta?
Yep I have used the stretch thread (spag) when I fished in USA. I have the crimps for the Aluminium sleeves. Regarding the lights I will use the water activated ones they are quite cheap at Lm2 and they work only while they are in the water. Will have a look at the ones you suggested to see how they work and if they are more worth it then the disposable ones.
All I need now is the distances which i presume a Metre length between one hook and the other would be ok with trace of .5 metre, and a 7/0 circle hook. I might try pieces of Kavalli as bait. I am thinking of using 80/100Lb braided line. If I like it and it produces some catch and I have fun they I will look further into the matter and upgrade. But i think it should be fun as an initial tryout.
Hey we got Big boy interested already and we have not even started fishing yet...... imagine if we get lucky and catch a decent fish like Busumark did ehhhh
big boy we also have a winch tal-plattina and one tal-pixispad but we use tal-pixispad even for bottom fishing its better. in the NE i dont know if there is anywhere more than 100fa and the bottom is sand or mud. you will catch mainly mazzola and hamim and some gallini or maybe a cipulazza if you are lucky. in the N NW you can fish anywhere from 100fa to 375fa if you have a fishfinder that reaches those depths. you have to try different places we sometimes catch fish from a place and when we go there the second time we dont catch anything. shanook for LM3.50 you can buy a swordfish light and it take 2 pencil batteries. you can buy it from ernest marsaxlokk. you buy the batteries from him also because they where about 20c each
Busumark I would like to ask you some questions.
What do you mean "hjut"? and if possible explain the set up of these hjut ???.As I can see it is also important to use light for this kind of fishing why and where these light will be attached to the rig? ::) ::)
a hajt is a like a paternoster rig but you make at least 6 hooks using 1.8 mono. the rest you use the orange naylon. with hjut you dont use light because more yes than no they get caught between the rocks and you end loosing everything. you use lights only when you are fishing with eletric reels. you put the light with the swizel that connects the braided line to the rig
Oh yes forgot all about Ernest will pop in to have a chat and buy a few things.Been a long time since I shopped there. Used to keep boat in B'Bugia now I moved with tal Puliti (bugibba).......sorry guys no offence meant.
went on monday with long line. caught 7 cipulazz 3 gallini 1 bazut and some hamim and cintorini. on sunday there were about 5 boats fishing with eletric reels. they are going to catch everything before i buy one. LOL
Well busumark u better hurry as I just got my electric reel as well. Will talk to u on the 13th wherever we are meeting.
on the 14th we are going i think shanook. what did you buy? my friend this week bought the kristal fishing xl410 i an making a fiting for my boat so whem it is good weather and he can come with me we try it. i am not drinking a lot because otherwise i could tell you our secret fishing spots LLOOOLLL
hehhe will do my best to get u drunk then! I got the miya cx4hp, which can take 800/900 mtrs of 80lb braided. I am thinking of using 5 (4/0 circle) hooks and 2 (7/0 circle) hooks above them. Regarding mono i am going to use .70mm with swivels and .60mm for fergha but will crimp the top 2 hooks with .70mm. I have taken a look at the map and I saw a few places I think will produce some fish. Unfortunately the north is mostly mud and sand. Would have liked to find a more rocky bottom with lots of coral as that wont be fished so much with knuz.
If u have any suggestions let me know so that I do another rig. Anyways I have to do more than one as I like to have back up. will try jigging with the reel as well but that will be when we go out for alungi.
you will definatly need more than one rig and also some spare weights its very easy to get stuck between rocks and cimi. did you the circle hooks from malta? from where? my friend got 2 miya epoch x9 from ebay for LM270 but second hand. from mr.fish you have to order it and it costs about LM600. but to begin with the miyax4 is good you can fish easily in 400mt. make sure that the mono is not stronger than the braided.
got u busumark. Definetly i need more than one rig. when i go trolling i usually have about 30 lures. Imagine going for bottom fishing where its so easy to get stuck. Dont want to spoil a days fishing just not to have a few rigs ready. I got the circle hooks from Ta' Bormla. But will order a few hooks off the net. Bought the spectra braid from Zebbug. Now all I need is a boat (anyone has one for sale to match this type of fishing. EHHHHHHHH!!!!!!????) in the water. We are a group of 4 boats and they are all on the hard.
Have u ever fished in deeper water than 400mts.... I suppose u get bigger fish from down there like giant groupers.
so i have to hurry than shanook to catch all the fish before you have your boat in the sea.LOL. deeper than 400mt you catch mainly muruni, gringi and hniezer.
hi ppl, we gave it a shot today as the call of the sea was tooooooooo strong after the winter months. We trolled west of GOzo but we must have had stagnant lures well after being laid up so long we first had to teach them how to swim so no luck there. then we tried bottom fishing but (excuses excuses) the undercurrent was too strong. we had an angle of about 30degrees on the line so we were dragging the weight behind us OH well we tried (at least i know how the electric reel works).
So there Busumark I didnt catch all the fish as a matter of fact I didnt catch ANY fish at all.
Hope if somewone went out faired better, mind u we didnt see any boats except for a 40' fishing boat.
Did you go out on your boat or were you with Visa? Think it's still early days for trolling though interesting about the bottom fishing. Didn't think about currents etc
yes skip with Visa. We knew about the currents it was expected with the winds and rough seas we had the past ............ how many weeks LOL. We didnt expect alungi either, the sea is way tooooooooo cold. We tried out luck for an early tuna as where we were trolling used to be a migratory route for tuna. But no TUNA no PARTY......
My boat still on the hard....
ok shanook i will catch those fish that you didnt catch to-day
ernest of marsaxlokk has got mustad circle hooks for deep-sea fishing. they are LM0.20c each
Yes I had a look at the mustad hooks of earnest he has both light ones and heavy ones. No chance till end of May it seems that the weather wont settle down eh Buzu.
When are we going to seriusly do some bottom fishing....the wind just doesnt want to die down.
Kollu tort li nehhew il kacca ghax kieku bdawk it tiri lejn is semgha, ir-rih u is-shab jahsbuha darbtejn biex jersqu l'hawn, u kieku ghandna il kalma!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Hekk jigrilek meta ttertaq qalbek tistenna...............
Just finished rigging up for deep sea. I use 5 hooks, with the 1st hook close to the light on wire and larger then the rest. Hopefully for a hanzir.
Hey Gaffer, I was suggested I use all hook traces in wire as I was told you get a lot of sawn off line. I made mine with 7 hooks once you go all the way down, with the top two bigger like you said. Do you think it will not be practical?
hi guys i am back to business after my terrible experience of the past weekend. this morning went deep-sea fishing and caught a 14kg hanzir and 6 nice gringi than it became a bit windy for deep-sea fishing and we left abaut 11.30. phoned gaffer he said he didnt do well. Come on SHANOOK when you are going to post you first picture of your first deep-sea fishing fish. Skip how can i attach a picture to the post
Hello Mark,
last Sunday I went for the first time with the XL410 and we started fishing after 11.00 cause before we went for alungi. we caught around 11 skorfon tal-ghajn u 6 bazug.
I think i need to find a better place although the boat next to me caught a 5kg Hanzir.
I have 2 xl410. when you want we can go together one day but it must be a very good weatehr as it was last sunday cause I've tried on Friday and on Saturday but couldn't fish due to waves.
by the way the best circle hooks are the vmc avail from Pirotta. they are approx 10hooks for lm1.45 and they don't get rusty so easy. but if you will use prawns as bait i suggest octopus hooks from Mark tal fishing frenzy tal- by pass ta wied il-ghajn.
for your first time it was very good. did you go where i told you for t ghajnu and bazug. where the other peolple(you know who) fishing in that area? when you want i come with you. i wrote your number mine is written the the post. for those reels it has to be calm otherwise the boat will be moving a lot. we can try some places that i think are good. but dont bet that we catch. to day was not that bad. with 7 hjut we caught 7 fish. one we lost it when it got stuck and the nylon broke from near the winch. so to catch 7 fish with 6 hjut is not bad. the picture of the hanzir we caught is in the gallery bottom fish section because i dont know how to attach a picture to a post
Mark i am still at work and after work I have strickt orders from the Lady to finish the apartment so that we go to bugibba. Once I finish that then i can play a bit in the afternoon till the holidays
fishfinder i saw the picture of your first catch. very good. pity you didn t find the place where there are 1kg+ bazug. there were no cipulazz also. better luck next time
mark are those fish from your side of the island? As i will try the first and second xifer near filfla, B'bugia side.
the bazug and cipulazz were caught by fishfinder i dont know from where he caught them i havent spoke with him yet but i think from somewhere in the middle between the 2 places.
well the more places the better eh Mark. If i find any sikkek on fishfinder when trolling for alungi I will try them out and let u know....
at the garage when i came you showed to sikkek where you go for alungi. try there maybe its good
Yes i will definetly try those out they are not extremely far. one in the 15 and the other in the 19 mile range.Will let u know when i try them out.
ok for us they will be a bit far about 30 miles or more so dont worry we wont come to catch the fish
NAAAAAAAA if there are fish u come with me we have some fun. I dont mind sharing places and fish for that matter. The sea is big and if we fish with electric or hjut we will not deplete it so no problems there.
if every one fishes with reels and hjut every place would be good. there will be a lot of fish
i was fishing in front of dingli some 3-4 miles away from filfla. the sea was from 300 to 400m deep so if you have a gps with map it will be easy to locate the area and no need to give you exact location cause all the 2nd edge is good for deep fishing but I would like to try somewhere else. may be on gozo side!!
thanks fishfinder know where u are indcating..
....is that a rocket....is that a jet.....is that superman...
........NO its a Kaptan Trend with a 115hp.......
dik hi my friend
always running on the wave, but if petrol :'(will keep rising I will install sails on it ;D ;D
if you want we can meet you me and mark and we'll try some new edges.
no problem I will send pm with bearings whenever i try out an edge that is productive. Mind u its about time that i went LOL....
hey finder i didnt know that u knew Yanis, mister and his brother farfett. Well anytime mark wants to come over i am more than willing to join........
yes, I know them all. well nearly all the Kaptan owners will get to know each other.
::) ;D :D
I know farfett and Mr cause all the s/steel on my boat was manufactured by them and we kept being friend and sometimes we meet for deep sea fishing.
When Mark decides we can go but I think he's busy cause last time I spoke with him was Sunday by sms cause I couldn't reach him by VHF.
i heard you calling fishfinder but i think you couldnt hear me. so i suppose that a hendheld VHF doesnt have a long reach although when i made a radio check i made contact with a person from land. even shanook couldnt hear him. last sundays catch in the gallery 8 big gringi and 18.5 kg hanzir. and maybe a big muruna got away 1.80 mm line sharp cut as if with a knife
there are a lot of factors that effect reception and transmission. Hand held is max of 5watts(correct me if i am wrong). Base unit is 25watts.So a base transmitts longer distance. I have an airiel that is about 12 feet from the sea a hand held would be 5'. Even if all conditions are right if someone else transmits contemporarily then the weaker watts are smothered.
so chances are that u might hear me mark but its difficult for me to hear u. i think a distance of 12/15miles a handheld will fo a fine job if there are no interference from other radios and the line of sight is straight.
I heard fishfinder calling as well but i am not sure where he was. Since you heard him mark, he must have been closer to you than i thought he was. I thought he was near yanis but since you heard him I dont think so
i heard other people calling yanis and farfett but dont know who they are. but didnt hear yanis or farfett
yanis,was about 20 miles out on birzebbugia side i was about 12 miles between filfla and birzebbugia.The ones calling yanis must have been on the other side of filfla closer to you. Yanis is pauline tuna on MFF and he has a Kaptan 6mtr. Farfett is the guy that does the S/Steel for Kaptan. they also have kaptan boats.u never met them when at Johnny.
i had a go on the electric reel and tried on second xifeer about 400mtrs deep. There was a bit of drag as the boat was drifting real fast. Didnt catch anything, better luck next time eh
yes i know freddie and joe. on sunday at about 10.00 the sea became very calm with no current. next time try more to our side. i think fishfinder told you where to try. where you went you wont catch anything
in fact the sea was getting a big rough near filfla and then we kept going to that point and the sea was very calm. what sort of lead weight do you use. we use 1.8kg and the line is always coming from under the rod. my friend tried with a 500g and in 400m he released 630m and never reached the bottom.
we use a 8.5kg square stone. it takes about 20 min to reach the bottom
i used a 1.5kg and a 2kg weight. Its better with the 2kg. the more weight the more u can feel the bottom.
with my lead I reach the bottom of 400m in 4-5mins
then mark must be fishing in even deeper waters to take that long to reach bottom with an 8kg weight.
guys mark is using a stone which is less dense than lead. A stone takes much more time to reach the bottom than a lead weight. Lead is very dense so it takes little time to reach the bottom
8.5kgs seems like alot to use as a weight. As I know nothing about super deep bottom fishing would be interested to know the logic behind using that much weight. Is it just to get the rig down quick and with minimal drift?
Once it's down does it then release or do you pull up the fish plus the big stone?
nick when using HJUT thats one fishing line with about 10 hooks u need a good size weight so that it doesnt get dragged with the current. Also if u catch a good sized fish it wont drag everything with it.
yes they winch everything up fish and stone. this is usually done when sort of semi commercial fishing. as u dont catch a lot of fish this way, compared with bottom long lines. U also dont get stuck a lot loosing a lot of hooks, sinkers, swivels etc at least if u get stuck u lose 10 kooks.
stones are cheap, lead is expensive......
big boy is right lead goes down a lot faster than stone
went deep sea fishing with fishfinder this morning but no luck we had a few good bites but the fish didnt seem that they wanted to get hooked. caught only cipulazza tajnu, cintorin and zumbrell. not worthit to take photos. than there was a bit of current and no more bites. and the area that we were there were two boats with konzijit. the sea was full of konzijit tal qieh so the fish had many many to choose from apart from ours. did you catch anything else SHANOOK. very nice boat fishfinder i am going to began to save for one
tajba mark. we didnt catch anything but ti was a nice experience. I tried where fishfinder told me last time but no luck so far. Ma tantx kien hemm kurrent hemmhekk. Imma li ma ittellax imqar bicca haxixa ma tantx nifiemha.
qisu ma ridtx l hut illum. ahna konna fejn s soltu jinqabad hut imma qisu ma ridtx imiss minbarra li kien hemm l konzijit
m'hmemx xtamel. il fishfinder jiedlek li hadtux fuq il post tajjeb LOL....
yes finders boat is very nice and FAST zooooommmm........well u know kaptan boats are goooooooood..
Mark how long do u wait for the fish to bite when deep fishing or u just wait for a bite like when bottom fishing in shallower waters.
L Ahwa illum mort fejn immur is-soltu.Dejjem qbadt mhux hazin.Li niehu naqra pjacir.Imma illum ma ridtx jaf il hut.Ma nafx kemm il post biddilt.Kien hemm naqra kurrent imma nahseb il hut illum ma ridtx jaf. Il bierah f listess post mort u qbadna. :-[
ha nijdilkom ta, 'qied nghir ghalikhom ghax jien adni qatt ma qbadt xejn tal qieh.' u biex taxxaqa gab dak il film fuq it TV u il mara qaltli anki in nisa jaqbdu u inti ma taqbad xejn u gabitni fix xejn LOL......mekla camkev jew tajdli fejn tmur jew ....................... ikolli inkompli nipprova LOL
illum qisni mort lewwel darba bir reel jien ax meta mort ma iehor ma kelnix fishfinder alura qisna bdejna nitfaw bladdocc. illum meta misna mill ewwel tara l qasba titaweg kif c comba tmiss mal qieh. jekk ma imisekx mill ewwel dificli biex imisek u jekk ikun hemm ftit kurent jista iwahlek jekk ma toqodx attent. tliftu 3 combit l fishfinder sorry fishfinder. wahda mhux t tort tijaj imma. kif comba misset mal qih giet hafifa u intella 3 snanar u c comba neqsin. hatafli l medda xi cintorin nahseb. tat tv forsi wahluhomlom :)
I'll have to get this thread translated by the gf!
Shanook.jien mhux bhal shabna immur 400 mtrs ta.Jien al tal qiegh normali immur.Naqbad ruzett,pagell u xi gurbell.jien dawn ibelhuni x hin nibda naqra il post tahhom.Qadt ma mort f dak il fond......imma dalwaqt narma ta! ;D hu jien nitlaq il imsida,biex immur fejn qed jajdu lanqas isservini it tank.Jekk taf xi post tajjeb in naha ta bahar ic-caghaq immorru.
sorry skip but if a post is written in maltese i reply in maltese without even knowing
Sorry skip!Will write in english.I dont know why i wrote in maltese.Hu jien minn tas Sliema!!!Jupppp just joking.
No problem mate, will have the gf translate, I was just lost tryingto make heads or tails of this but curious to read as well.
hi guys, dont worry maybe nick will start learning some Maltese. Mind u i dont think he will ever be able to understand what i write. Dont worry Camkev i was just kidding.
Mark if i understood u right: as soon as I hit bottom i retrieve a mtr and if no hits i bring up, move a bit and try again
if there is no current or very weak current you can leave it for 5-7 minutes. if no bites change place. but as i said before in bottom fishing or there is fish and bites imediatley or no fish no bites
got u busumark when u move how far off do u have to go.
Hi Shanook,
sorry to hear that, I will try to get some more bearing for you but yesterday it was like fishing in a well. sometimes you move only 10mtrs from your distance and you'll start catching Bazug again. I leave the lead always on the bottom ands some times I lift it 20m and release after 1minute so that it will land in another area since the boat will still be moving with the current.
Yesterday after deep sea fishing I went on the cliffs and there was still current and we had only 1 bite on my friends rod , It was a 1kg+ Pagru :o ;D.
and I lost another 1kg of lead from the cliffs too >:(
Prosit fishfinder tac-comb se jmorru tajjeb miek he he ;) :P
thanks fishfinder i still enjoyed myself, its since I have not caught anything i feel that i am doing something wrong. Its a matter of patience and practice. Like u said u didnt catch anything which is something that doent really make sense to me as I feel that at those depths there should be fish. cause even if fisherman lays long lines its still a lot of sea bottom doen there.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Well actually they didn't left a lot of the sea bottom cause when Busumark said it was full of longlines he really ment full, every 30m there was a sign and when you look at the surface it looked like they will never end these floats.
yesterday my back blocked and can't go fishing until it gets back to normal >:( :'((slip discs are very painfull). I will send you a pm when I will plan to go and will take you there hopefully the fish will hungry that day.
got u. take care of ur back as u said it can be very painful. c ya
Managed to get the translation done!! Interesting to read, guess bottom fishing is like any type of fishing, aside from having the right equipment, you're either in a good spot or you're not!
Has anyone ever tried a metal jig when bottom fishing?
with metal jigs its different because u have to jig it and thats hard work...apart from the fact that at those depths the jiq will never make the bottom. so to jig we will have to try shallower waters.
I see, I saw on the Miya that they had a jigging function so was curious.
Guys you are saying that there were floats every 30m are you sure they were bottom longlines because i think they must have been surface longlines for swordfish.
They where all bottom lines cause we know one of the guys and he was out there for Cippullaz. Out there there are many rocks and so they cut the lines very small and they drop it with a single mother line.
That way they will not lose too much hooks and to retreive it will be much more easy for them.
my miya doesnt have a jigging function its the Daiwa that has it. When i was making my choice between the two it was jigging function against a little bit more powerful motor I went for the motor.
HI Shanook the Miya command cx-6 have the jigging function but as you said that fuction is for shallow water but they have a good motor as well. which model do you have? and how much is it's line capacity?
i have the miya CX4 hp. i loaded it with spectra PE8 thats 80lbs line. the capacity is 1000mtr. i got mine from Japan and with shipping and tax i ended up saving Lm75 as compared with a Maltese shop.
no bigboy they were not long-lines for swordfish
what do you tink about the miya command x4,if you give your personal fedback will be better.
I have both CX4HP and CX6HP. The 6HP is a little more robust and the motor is smoother. However after a lot of work (and heavy pulling) they both failed last year and had to send for repair.
So if you go only occasionally just to have some fun they are excellent reels but if you start going more often for more seroius fishing, then nothing beats the Kristal fishing 410 reel. That said I still prefer to use the CX6HP to be able to hold the rod in hand when required.
About the jigging function of the 6HP it works well for deep bottom too. I tried a few times with metal Jigs but never caught anything yet.
thank you for the fedback, what do you tink of the repairs carried out?
Repairs were send to Italy and they seem to have done a good job.
from where did you bought the miya epoch reel?
I got mine from Japan
friend of mine got it from USA
Whaterver u do, don't get a small hp as it takes ages to wind up in depts of more than 250mts, so try to go for at least 6hp
ara il Visa
Qed taqbad hut jew min ghawdex?
6HP and 4HP have same winding speed if not 4HP is a little faster. 6HP has more torque though. To get the most speed try to wind up the spool to its max with braid so that the diameter of each turn is as big as possible.
I bought mine from Mister Fish.
how much it was from mr fish and did you had some type of garantee on the reel?
It was 4 years ago so prices have changed. Go there and ask him. He should give you guarantee too.
when i bought my miya epoch 4hp from mr fish they did not gave me any guarantee.. so is worth buying it from the net
any one has any ryobi or daiwa tanacom bull? if yes what are your comments about them?
when i ordered mine from Japan I asked whether to get the Daiwa or the Miya and the shop although having both suggested the miya epoch. Said they are more powerful and reliable than the Daiwa. Thats the shop opinion.just passing it on.
@ Yogi
Please check about that as nothing can be bought from a shop and not given a garantee for it ??? ???
Quote from: digger0579 on October 06, 2011, 08:50:09 CET
@ Yogi
Please check about that as nothing can be bought from a shop and not given a garantee for it ??? ???
what he doesn't give is the commercial guarantee.. The legal guarantee of 2 years is available on anything sold..
Hi guys this is my first post in this forum. I'm interested in starting to practice the deep fishing but i need some tips.
Regarding the reel, i'm going to buy the epoch X5. Can you please tell me how to set up the rig and what type of braid i need to spool the reel?
Another question is regarding my boat. I have a 15ft shetland powered by a 40hp outboard. Do you think i will be able to that far for this type of fishing?
Regards
Chris
It depends on many factors - weather and sea conditions, reliability of boat and engine and most important - your guts. I know I have a very good boat and engine but I don't have much guts to venture very far out. And without an auxiliary, I'm much less inclined to do so.
Hi all, I go deep shore fishing using running float , pater noster and .22 flora carbon, tajjeb hekk jew minflok pater noster nuza iz-zewg jew sunnara wahda, ikun ahjar? grazzi hafna.
Hi maria running float mux ideali ghal deep sea fishing u anke jekk ic comba jirnexila tasal mal qiegh jekk ikun hemm naqa kurent ma thosux imisek.l ahjar ghal fond ijkolok qasba li tehu naqa grammi mux hazin u tarma xlief naqa ohxon.
Grazzi Tin, allura r-running float tuzah ghal tal-wicc biss. Qieghda nitkellem fuq 8 metri fond, mhux fuq xi dghajsa ta' hehe.
When fishing with running float I don't put led at the end of the rig like when fishing the paternoster. I use 1 hook at the end than I put led beads distributed evenly according to the float I am using. I set the stopper according to the depth so the running float will stop at the right depth. If your rod is a fine action you can afford to go lower on line diameter sometimes down to 0.10mm or 0.12mm. there is another good topic for this subject in the forum put "set up for running float" into the search or click here http://www.maltafishingforum.com/talk/index.php/topic,887.0.html
HI maria kif spjega ruhu sew il fisheye ghalija l ahjar mod umbat jidependi ghalxiex tkun ha tistad.jien meta semejt deep sea hsibt li tmur fil fond hafna.
Grazzi hafna fisheye u tin.
isma guys...bir-rispett kollu tin pero meta qed tistad bir running float (i.e bis-sufrun mhux ha thossu imissek is sufrun irid jindikalek jekk missekx jew le). Ovvjament kif qalulek awn fuq l-ahjar al tal-qiegh, paternoster bic-comba fil qiegh jew running ledger...pero jekk tuza running float tajjeb ukoll...li trid tamel meta tigi tuza ir running float al hut tal qiegh...trid tara kemm emm fond ezatt u tamel fergha qama u ic combad tikkalkula li qeda metru jew metru u nofs il fuq mil qiegh...imbad trid tvarja skond il mess ovvjament
Kif qal tajjeb is-sur Ghaxqi f'din is-sajda importanti li titfa ghajnejk fuq il float, u trid tkun fast bizzejjed biex tahsad dik in-naqa x'hin tarah qed jinzel.
Running float b'paternoster normali bic-comba l-isfel jghinek issib il-fond u tkun preciz jekk ma tkunx familjari mal post li tkun qieghed. Meta jkollok ic-comba mserrha mal-blat il-float jigi lagenba u jindikalek li tkun trid tnizzel l istopper izjed l-isfel. Jekk tkun taf izjed il post u tistad bic-comba qabel il-fergha jkollok izjed cans taqbad xi haga sew. Jekk ma tiehux float spare ara li taghmel stop knot sew qabel is-swivel, halli jekk b'xi mhod jinqatalek kollox il-float izomm mal-istopper u ma titilfux.
Il-vantaggi tar-running huma li tkun ed tistad fliem fond trid b'inqas bizgha li tehel mal-blat u thalli kollox warajk. Pero mijiex teknika facli daqskhemm tidher.
Grazzi ta l-informazzjoni ghax bhalma jghidu nikber u nitghallem. x'jigifieri taghmel fergha qama u x'hinu running ledger? forsi mistoqsija banali ghalikhom imma la ma nafx ma nafx heq.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oz-O47-fHP0/Sy9zRY4ox8I/AAAAAAAAAGY/Qh3SZ1sXV8w/s400/5+running+ledger+rig.jpg)
(http://www.barrysfishingtackle.com/images/Angling%20rigs/runledg.gif)
dan running ledger maria.. sabiex tistad mal qieh ezatt..
mela running ledger bhal ma qallek tajjeb maltembu awn fuq....filwaqt li meta tghid qama tkun qed tirreferi al fergha ta madwar 1.5mts-2mts
Illostra maltembu x'diagram dik, grazzi hafna, u int ukoll l-ghaxqi, grazzi hafna.
Jaf xi hadd bxi hanut fi sqallija ghalmkristal fishing reels
Quote from: pedro63 on August 30, 2012, 12:59:05 CET
Jaf xi hadd bxi hanut fi sqallija ghalmkristal fishing reels
Le, ma nafux b'hanut fi sqallija, imma nafu b'wiehed Malta....ibghatt PM lil Okuma-1976. Dan huwa l-uniku agent hawn Malta tal-kristal Fishing.
aaaa ok thanks :)
MIN HIEREG GHAL TAL-QIEH GHADA PPL ?
Maltembu? ghaliex ic comba mhux fixed imma running? ma fhimtx id differenza?