hi
I need a new spear gun around 60 or 70 but it has to be good ,not sure if with bands or air (never had air ones before ) so if you have any suggestions I be happy.
I already have a spore sub 75 and I think its a viper but I hate it cos it always fills with water , I tried to fix it in every way but still after some time it start to fill again .
my other spear gun is a 120 totem sub and I can say that its like a Swiss clock . its made of wood and normally it has two bands but some times I take one of when I stay close to rocks . its power is incredible even with one band .
i will try to attach a pic of it
The viper you mentioned is an exellent gun , i have a 75cm , and used to fish with the 90 cm viper for more than 15 yrs with incredibly good results , under rocks and in the open sea , now i m using the black blade 100cm by effesub and im very happy with it. maybe you need to change the rubber of your viper found in the inside of the barrel , it keeps water out when you tighten the screws , as regards pneumatic guns you better dont think about them , loads of expenses and maintenance which is not worth it. Im interested at seeing a picture of your wooden gun . thanks.
Quote from: fabrizioviper on November 30, 2008, 16:31:25 CET
The viper you mentioned is an exellent gun , i have a 75cm , and used to fish with the 90 cm viper for more than 15 yrs with incredibly good results , under rocks and in the open sea , now i m using the black blade 100cm by effesub and im very happy with it. maybe you need to change the rubber of your viper found in the inside of the barrel , it keeps water out when you tighten the screws , as regards pneumatic guns you better dont think about them , loads of expenses and maintenance which is not worth it. Im interested at seeing a picture of your wooden gun . thanks.
ichanged the rubber but still the same . i think it has a crack or some thing i cant see cos as i said i tryed to fix it but all for nothing .
there is a doc attached which it has the pics in it, not sure if it can be seen .
i use the Apache from Cressi i have one 75 and the other 90 . for me they are the best the 90 is about 17 years old that i am using it . the elastic i use on them are the H.Dessault ones. forget the air ones
glad to see we aren't the only ones with a totem... we have 2 the 100 pelagos twin version... i bought it this summer
too bad for the other gun.... guess that its fishing life is over.. don't try to load that gun if it has cracks, it can be dangerous
Quote from: Granitu on December 01, 2008, 09:58:32 CET
glad to see we aren't the only ones with a totem... we have 2 the 100 pelagos twin version... i bought it this summer
too bad for the other gun.... guess that its fishing life is over.. don't try to load that gun if it has cracks, it can be dangerous
my is a tahiti 120 . did you get it from malta ?
if i find a totem guizzo 80 from malta i sure get it but i dont know any shop which gets them , i had to get my from italy .
nice mate, we were going to get a tahiti but we always fish in aspetto and agguato.. according to fabrizio d agnano tahiti are predominantly caduta guns
no totem guns are not available in malta, you have to get it from italy mate if you want a guizzo....
i have to think about it cos i had to do lots of paper work to get it , import licence and somthing else which i dont remember .
If I can give my opinion..........the viper remains one of the best guns ever as Fabrizio said........also the Apache mentioned by Charlie.....I have used the viper 75 and 90 for the past 14 yrs since i started and will not change them for anything; usually my 120 carbon gun remains at home. Unfortunately looks like both of them are no longer being manufactured although looking around it is still possible to find them, especially the viper.
VIper had a problem of flooding sometimes; what you have to do is open it up, fill with expansion foam and then seal the ends (head and butt) with silicone. I did it and have never had any more issues. You should try it out.
Totem are not suitable for cave or rock fishing especially 100/120 and over...even more with 2 bands; they are strictly for agguato or aspetto or caduta.
Airguns are more fastidious and have to be take care of unless of course you would like to experiment.
One last point: one should try to improve his technique since if you know what you are doing there is no need for 2 rubber guns in Malta, one rubber is enough and if your technique is good either the fish or you will close the distance and a normal gun will be enough (75 to 100) .......unless of course you are fishing for tuna ;D ....guns this size allow you to change technique from open water to cave and vice versa in the same dive if required without catching the rocks as well ;D
expansion foam is a good idea , i may try it .
dont get me wrong , i did not say that the viper was a bad gun cos i was happy with it for some years but when it started to get water in and tryed all that i could think of to fix it and he kept drinking ;) i gave up . but now there is some hope again , so tomorrow i get the expansion foam .
tanx mate
Toni t gave you a good option. Yo have to try it. I do not know about buoyancy then, but worth a try. Viper I got the 90, and its a very good and hard wearing gun. Its easy to disassemble, and also you can easily remove the plastic sleeve, to see if the aluminium barrel has got any damages(or corrosion maybe).
About some other issues, I do not totally agree with you toni.
Hey baghira..no problem mate what I said is only how I see it...everybody has his own preferences and one should follow his instincts ;)
Re buoyancy since its a short gun it should not influence a lot in handling..at least for me it did not.....but its not a destructive modification and the foam can be removed....but at least Big one can try it out before spending money on a new gun
I had one it on the same gun (60cm) and worked well.
hi guys i use a viper 115 for most of the year i find it to be a very precice and reliable i also use a omer excalibur 90 a aquatica 90 a spora sub 75 a seac 60 and a mares 50 depending an what type of fishing i do.
i also use a 106 woody by leli brillient gum but trigger tends to lock up due to wear and tear but apart from that brilliant gun.
regards the viper you should see air bubbles coming out from where the water is coming in.
yesterday I got the expansion foam so to fix the viper . when I opened it ( viper) I saw some corrosion on the inside about 6in from the front , when I opened it last time before summer there were no corrosion . then I took of the black plastic cover and I found the leak. it was a crack like which is now corroded too . I don't know how it cracked cos I cant remember that I ever did something to cause it . so now my viper is rip ,
do I have to take it to the police so that they can remove it from my license ???
you can always shorten it or seal the corroded area with silicone
to late i jumped on it and now its in a very bad shape ;D
a few hours ago i went for an other one the beuchat marlin competition 85 so it will replace it
what do you think about the marlin ???
have you still got the handle and head I might use them as spare parts for mine
the marlin is a very good gun i have never used the 85 but this should be as good as the others
tommorow i call the police to see what i need to retern from it to clear it from my license and then i tell you but i think only the triger is good and maybe the rubber handle
that would be great as i use and abuse my guns and tend to need triggers often :-\ ;D
Quote from: big one on December 05, 2008, 21:03:35 CET
to late i jumped on it and now its in a very bad shape ;D
a few hours ago i went for an other one the beuchat marlin competition 85 so it will replace it
what do you think about the marlin ???
this winter I ll be using an 85cm Marlin Carbone Eite for seabass. Ill try it with dubble rubber. Same spear and should stand long shoots
don t know your use of this gun so an suggest if carbone or aluminum
Quote from: big one on December 05, 2008, 17:14:55 CET
yesterday I got the expansion foam so to fix the viper . when I opened it ( viper) I saw some corrosion on the inside about 6in from the front , when I opened it last time before summer there were no corrosion . then I took of the black plastic cover and I found the leak. it was a crack like which is now corroded too . I don't know how it cracked cos I cant remember that I ever did something to cause it . so now my viper is rip ,
do I have to take it to the police so that they can remove it from my license ???
I have a 90cm viper, for me its a very good gun but same problem. It floods sometimes. I changed the rubber seals inside one trigger side and the other in the front. As you said the plastic that is compressing the rubber seal cracks if you tighten then screw a lot.
I had my friend and had one made for me with his lathe and I thought I solved the problem.
After about a year same problem. I changed the seals again and till now its fine.
A thing you have to check while tightening the screw ,especially if your tube is corroded is that when you place the seal it doesn't get torn by the tube metal or you will have placed the seal for nothing. The tube must not have sharp edges.
Quote from: EmicMalta on December 08, 2008, 07:39:41 CET
Quote from: big one on December 05, 2008, 21:03:35 CET
to late i jumped on it and now its in a very bad shape ;D
a few hours ago i went for an other one the beuchat marlin competition 85 so it will replace it
what do you think about the marlin ???
this winter I ll be using an 85cm Marlin Carbone Eite for seabass. Ill try it with dubble rubber. Same spear and should stand long shoots
don t know your use of this gun so an suggest if carbone or aluminum
its aluminum , i tryed it and is accurate but the buoyancy is a bit negative . how can i improve the buoyancy????
thats why im going for carbon. I don t know what can you make so it comes lighter but even we use the 75 in aluminium and we work fine. Tho only reason i take the 85 carbon so that will be with a 85, 105 and 125 all of carbon. The 85 carbon for seabass in the shallow should be very light even to move it with a double band
Ithink the beauchat have the handles and their reels a little bit heavier than others .Maybe they are more resistant than other spearguns.I am saying this cause I tried the beauchat (aluminium ones) and found it very negative in buoyancy than I switched back to my old mate the Apache (aluminium)which is very light in water that if it is left alone ,the Apache will not sink
Quote from: charlie on December 08, 2008, 17:39:07 CET
Ithink the beauchat have the handles and their reels a little bit heavier than others .Maybe they are more resistant than other spearguns.I am saying this cause I tried the beauchat (aluminium ones) and found it very negative in buoyancy than I switched back to my old mate the Apache (aluminium)which is very light in water that if it is left alone ,the Apache will not sink
thats my problem , but i will think of somthing to improve it .
For that reason I wrote the Marlin and not the mondial. The marlin is very lighter
It's a question of taste - I use the Mundial Elite 100 in aluminium. It's heavy and with the Mundial reel it's a quick sinker. But I prefer a heavy gun, for the simple reason that it reduces the recoil of the shot and renders the shots much more precise.
Quote from: EmicMalta on December 09, 2008, 08:18:54 CET
For that reason I wrote the Marlin and not the mondial. The marlin is very lighter
my is a marlin competition kand its not that heavy but it sink . now i took of the reel and i will try it like that but i think it will still sink
yes it still sinks
personally i like them if they sink. I can stabilise the gun quicker. The inportant think is that it s balanced
Behsibni nixtri harpoon iehor. Xtahsbu nies nixtrih t l-gharja jew tal lakstu ?
I am thinking of getting a new spear gun what would you sudgest banbs or air?
Without any doubt sling power guns are the best . less mantainance needed , no oil change no nothing . just change the slings once a year or how often do you go , and off you go.
Hi HELP!!!!! Can some one tell me do you require a Police licence for your spearguns and harpoons. Here in england we dont require any form of licence. (AT THE MOMENT) IN FACT we can buy them off E-bay and at any good dive shop Ihave noticed that most of the divers in MALTA tend to use rubber powered guns rather than the pneumatic/ air powered jobs, is there any reason for this or is it just choice. thanks noztheviking
Yes my friend a license is needed,the rubber ones are more used cause they don't need service such changing washers etc... etc... and the rubber ones are more silent than the air ones
I have in mind of buying the 75 Mares Phantom Carbon ... what do you suggest. Thanks in advance
Hello everyone,
There is a new gun coming out in France soon.
It seems to be the first real innovation since the invention of the speargun.
You can see the prototype on:
http://www.seamaxx.fr/html/index.html
It allows you to arm more easily, fire at a greater distance, with more precision and maximum comfort and security and as well you can modulate your firing power.
I would like you have your opinions.
IMO the more moving parts you have will result in more noise more maintenance more things to go wrong and to me looks a bit too bulky especially the front part might cause drag and vibration from the rubbers when turning the spear gun sideways. Obviously there are positive things, like it can be armed with much less effort and can be regulated to shoot at different strength. Some thing else I did not like is about loading to full strength. According to the literature on that site it takes up to 8 pumps to be fully loaded well if you need to take the second shot while on the bottom you will want to do it with the less movements possible.
I think its too much complicated as fisheye said too much mechanisims = too much faults.Also I don't like the position of the reel and the rubber will cause vibration
I agree with charlie , looks complicated , infact it looks like WILLIAM TELL S cross bow LOL. Dont like it.
its with same principal as roller guns. Who use them says that they have very good shoots. Have a friend from Genova that use to build them and even built system tavorich for air-spearguns. They have their on class and cannot compare with our traditional ones. As I know Beuchat had started those roller guns, and heard that there was a project right now lunched in a fair.
Some times even having very simple things one can have problems, can t imagine this situation trying to load the gun especially in Ajs season.
I think that these guns are good in murky water where there is need lots of penetration with short range. With a 125cm we shoot to the limit on groupers, ajs and dentex
Hi everyone,
Sorry but I have been away for a few days.
I have looked into this very carefull and studied the protoype at the Paris show in January, before telling you about it.
The roller gun is patented by a guy named Berry. Seamaxx is also patented with functions that are far superior. To load the roller gun you do one side first then turn it over and then load the other side. The uTube film shows someone loading whilst standing on a floor. The second film in the water does not show loading. Ha! Doing several easy pump strokes on Seamaxx makes far less movement than loading the Roller gun. Seamaxx is the only gun where the band accompanies and propels the spear right to the end. That is why it's power is double a normal gun. You can load Seamaxx totally or only partially, and once it is fully loaded (this is unique), you can reduce the load with a simple movement of the index finger - if you look closely at the animation on the site you will see there are two triggers: the foremost one is for reducing the loading. The reel can be positioned on the right or the left according to your desire. We agree that the head of the prototype shown on the site is too bulky: that is why we are redesigning it - the new one will be uncomparable. The action of the band on both sides negates vibration and makes Seamaxx more precise than any other gun.
Hope I have answered all your questions.
A non-commercial , non-biased performance comparative study would be great. Speed, penetration, accuracy, resistance to tracking motion, buoyancy, recoil etc....
I like keeping it simple and the respective roller gun has to really outperform the conventional guns to make it of interest to me.
Hello SPNOTTA,
A new prototype is being pr?pared. Apparently a qualitative official text will be carried out by the french magazine "Apn?a".
goodie...that's great... would have preferred a quantitative study and grey data... but anyways... that would be a really intersting read.
SeaMarc would you please be so kind to provide a link, short review or extract when the article is published?
Spearfishing magazines are not that common here.
Ok,
Apn?a has already done one story that you can download as a .pdf on the Seamaxx site (products/press menu), but it doesn't tell you more than reading the information on the site.
Really interesting guys.
The new concept is something amazing, although acutall performance can be obtaind only by trying it. To tell you all, i also hate many mechanisms, but for those who can afford trying it, why not.
I never hand any of such guns in my hands to get the feel, and study properly. But it simply amazes me how new concept are born.
It looks interesting .... as Baghira said one needs to try it out to really give a full detailed review about the gun.
i am a beginner and use seacsub arrow 55. any comments?
Guys i need help. I have an Omer Escalibur 100 and on it I have a Beuchat 20mm sling from a 90cm spear gun which i load on the first notch of the spear and another 16mm Dessault sling which is loaded on the highest notch. My problem is the recoil, after a dive my middlefinger becomes extremely swollen due to the jolts it gives me. what would be a good sling layout and any particular brands you can suggest?
In order to have that set up you have to have greater mass and also its not a good combination either. If you want a double sling set up try 2 X 16 with a 6.5 mm spear. The length of the sling should be 1/3 of the distance from were it will be loaded. Although I still believe you will experience some recoil, but surely not as much as you have at the moment.
A single 20 mm sling is ideal for that gun, Why go for two ?
Yeah good question, I was hoping to obtain more power but i guess you are right. Will try the 20mm sling only. Thanks for the tip Mark.
Quote from: Breathless on May 30, 2009, 11:46:02 CET
Guys i need help. I have an Omer Escalibur 100 and on it I have a Beuchat 20mm sling from a 90cm spear gun which i load on the first notch of the spear and another 16mm Dessault sling which is loaded on the highest notch. My problem is the recoil, after a dive my middlefinger becomes extremely swollen due to the jolts it gives me. what would be a good sling layout and any particular brands you can suggest?
I think you should go for dual 16mm slings. You will experience less recoil. I dont think your using the right combo. I have a Beuchat 105 Marlin Competition with dual 16mm slings and the performance is amazing. I also use a Rockwell 6.5mm shark fin spear. As markcam said, a setup like mine will still result in some recoil but not that much. I think that with 1 x 20mm you will have more penetration but with dual 16s there is more speed. I dont have any problems with penetration either :D
the penetration we get with 20mm slings is insignificant for our waters. we CAN'T catch tuna, mostly we do ajs, dentex and gropers that needs dome penetration for their size
first of, you need an excellent apnea for these fish
secondly, ajs and dentex are easily caught with double 16mm because the performance in penetration is very near to a 20mm sling, so since we do them majorly with aspetto technique 16mm is best
a 20mm setup would help for gropers i think but i am unexperienced with this setup cause i don't spearfish groupers, i enjoy their view
to note that double 16's have more load than a single 20mm, careful that the trigger manages to sustain this load. the speed it gets must be derived from somewhere. also i wouldn't mind considering a 7mm shaft if you are going for some nice fish
not every type of rubber is the same. Personally i do not like black rubber due to its characteristics. Black amber use to be very agressive at first mtr but then it looses its accuracy. As for that gun Breathless i dont agree to have rubbers more then a 17.5mm thickness due that its very light.
MArkcam was right with the measurments. For me I like my setup to be 105cm x 21mm picasso and 125cm with double 16mm and 6.5 rockwell spear. The rubber have also to be in conbination with the spear that is being used.
Granitu, I dont agree with what you said about penatration, remember that you don t know when the big one will pass in front of you.
About the recoil Breathless I know what you mean cos like that I had lost an amberjack graeter then me nearly 6 years ago and still I have it in my mind when remember these types of setup. Once I was talking with a greek guy about a rinomated speargun and they also calculate the body mass with the rispective speargun
At the moment Im waiting for a new spear 7mm for the 125cm and new 16mm rubbers. This is for more penatration
emic it depends on the apnea of one's person. i believe in a planning before hand system rather then go and see what the sea offers. we wont see everyday 30kgs ajs, maybe we see 2kgs ajs everyday
dealing with the biggies is very difficult and hard on our guns, they are not built to handle monster ajs
and you know i have a very sturdy wooden gun but yet i know its limits. either would end up with no fish or else suffer a collateral damage on the gun
your gun is one of the best in the market and even relation ship with the seller is very good. Heard very good reviews about it and lots of study too. It is designed to be with twin rubbers and I agree that you leave it how it is. For having more then 2 16mm rubber the gun must be designed for that. When dealing with a 75 cm guns I like to have 2 setups, 1 with 16mm and another with 19mm where different kind of fishing will be held. Also this does not make different some times like last week I caught a 1.2kg dentex with the 75cm x16mm rubber in a caduta
Granitu wrote: ''i believe in a planning before hand system rather then go and see what the sea offers''.
Always adapt yourself and your techniques to the sea conditions my friend! How can you plan a day full of 20-25 metre cave fishing when you wake up in the morning and find our dearest classic Maltese North West force 5 wind???? Underwater currents are also to be kept into consideration siehbi. What's the use of swimming in motionless surface and when you dive you find a total desert? I've seen lots of fish in some of my best places but at tiomes when currents are no good I find a cemetry waiting for me! To cut it short and sweet...........you have to adapt to several situations and be cunning enough to interpret all the underwater signals that the sea offers to use them right!!!!!!!!!!!!
no when i said on planning before hand i was exclusively referring to the setup of the speargun
fishing ultimately is the hardest part, many a times improvisation plays an important role
it is clear that we are discussing about spearguns setup, not about the fishing aspect. i totally agree with what you told about the fishing. sorry if i provoked misunderstanding it is absurd to think that i can know where the fish is, many times you either find the fish or else the fish finds you!
i think you did not get my point. i hate changing setups on spearguns, but rather keep a standard acceptable set up which gives me very acceptable results, even if i find a nice sized fish. that is a plan before you dive. Knowing the weather is essential, but ultimately before i dive i try to memorize the conditions and the possible effects i would incur
if i am going for bream using aspetto technique, i don't go with a single setup, i use double slings and take a smaller gun with me for agguato or in cases of poor visibility
not even for apnea setups, you seem professional and of course you well know that different depths require different weights for instance. don't tell me that you go spear-fishing and do not plan where are you going and what depths and setups you need. some pre planning in setups is needed an most of the time it is a trail and error situation. if i am going to dive from 6-10m is different than from 15-25m
since i majorly spearfish with aspetto and agguato technique these require different setups- i.e. i find it better for me if i am less negative for an agguato than for an aspetto even though often enough I need to amalgamate the techniques.
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ok 10q man
I m not so much familiar with it but a friend of mine has it and I used it for a couple of times.
He has a 100cm green mimetic. Its a good gun but cannot feel can be mounted for more then 1 x 17.5mm rubbers. As for an open head gun it works quite good wit a good plastic line release. Its reel is good but I see that its just a gun to use it for a normal use. If was going for a new gun I would go for other models even from same make. For a 100cm I would go for a more steady gun.
When buying a new gun I believe that one should consider to have a model that he likes and can be mounted with 1 or 2 rubbers and also different lengths. All my guns are Marlins Elite so same handles, and that different length does not effect me in aiming but just extend the shooting range. This helps me shoot faster and more accurate. A lot of spearos had gave me this same advice of the handles and heads so remember that buying a new gun is like an investment
ghaliex ma thosx li jiflah aktar min 17.5x1 rubber?10q
Quote from: silent hunter on June 28, 2009, 00:32:45 CET
ghaliex ma thosx li jiflah aktar min 17.5x1 rubber?10q
its bouncy and mass can t handle more then that.
also the trigger mechanism probably does not withstand all that load
ok thanks very much tal pariri
tistaw jekk jogobkom it tuni it tul u il hxuna tal powerbands tal viper i 90
22cm must be good but even 23-24 cm due the difference in diameter. I would put a set of 18mm if using a 6.5mm spear
thanks emic
what is aguato ?
and what do you think of 16mm and 22cm for the viper
aguato is like going down and search to surprise fish eating or passing by rocks. Normally we do it in high waves in shallow water.Lots of us fish like that. But there are times where we do it in deep waters for groupers. This is a technick that must be done by experience divers due that it needs more energy from the body. Always remember to dive with a buddy.
22mm x 6mm maybe good if using 6mm spear but if its on a 90 I would nt suggest it. I told you to put 18mm cos you normaly have a 6.5mm spear unless you change the spear for a 6mm. Putting a 6mm spear with a 16mm rubber and a dynema kit wishbone, then you will have a very silent shoot
thanks alot emic
What do you think about the mares phantom?Anyone tried it? thanks