With my works on the boat on schedule, it's time to start working on the tackle as the alungi season is getting closer! A question I wanted to ask the experts is about using fluocarbon leaders - what lenght of fluocarbon do you use for the leader? also do you use a swivel in the last 2 meters or so, or do you tie your lures directly to the whole leader? I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say! I mean let's say the fluocarbon leader is 10 meters - do you tie your lure at the end of the 10 meters or do you tie a sviwel at the end of the 10 meters and then attach say another 2 meters to the lure?
Also does anyone use a weight of say 200g inline? Ta' Bormla has these new weights which you can screw on and off (inline) depending on how you'd like to fish and they look quite interesting!
Bryan, leader length is a preference! Some people say the length of your rod, other people say the length of your intended fish size, and some people just like to run a standard length 2meters etc.
I run around 2m or so which is the length I use when preparing my lures.
In my case my main line is terminated by first inserting a small squid (used to cover the snap swivel) colour etc is your choice and then I crimp with a snap-swivel.
All my lures are then rigged with an eye+chaffe protector and I crimp to create the loop. I use this method because if I am using a rapala or similar I simply attach the snap swivel directly to the lure, whereas if I am using rigged lures or daisy chains I just attach to the loop and I'm good to go.
The Gaffer on the other hands runs the reverse! He has snap swivels on all on his lures and has the eye/swivel on the end of his mainline. I prefer my option is it's the standard method and let's me use pre-rigged, rapala style or anyone elses lures without modification.
You want to acheieve maximum versatility with minimum hassle. And I've switched to crimping everything as I managed to buy small crimps specifically for 30lbs mono whereas most of the ones we get here are too big.
Used to use an inline weight here and there but don't anymore, I flat line instead if a lure isn't running well.
Thanks Skip. Besides the 2m leader, do you spool the end of the line on the reel with flurocarbon too? If yes what lenght say last 10m?
No I don't, less knots/joints the better!
mine same as skip, except that I dont use fluorocarbon all the time. This way i can change the lures easily without any hassle. See u out there soon benri.
Bryan, Leader theory states that your leader should be approx the length of the fish you seek. However, my leader length is always approx the length of the rod. The leaderline is joined to the mainline with a barrel snap swivel which is tied to leader. I tried the small squid method to cover the swivel, but what happens is that when trolling at 6 knts, the small squid starts to rotate. This action, because the small squid is fitted into the barrel head of your swivel, also tends to rotate your main line, and you end up with alot of twists and turns on your main line. So for this year, I will be removing the small squids from the mainline, used to camoflauge the swivel. I use flourocarbon leader, which lasts about 2 yrs, then I change it. This is depending on catch frequency and condition of leader.
Interesting point about the little squid, although I don't think yours were that little? Can't remember!
if you add some beads and its a barrel swivel wont it solve the problem of the twists, cause it looks like a great idea covering with sqiud , as for a snap swivel, do barrel ones exist? what im saying is changing lures by just changing leader when using rod will be the easiest thing to do
Thats exactly what I do pupu. I have a barrel swivel attached to the mainline, and a barrel/snap swivel attached to the leader. When I need to change lures, I just unlock the snap swivel, and change the lure and leader. As for the beads, I still don't think its a good idea. Allow me to explain. The squid head fits into the bead. Trawlling at 6knts, the squid lure will still rotate, only this time its fitted into the bead. Thus the bead will also turn at high spead, and start to rub against the mainline (friction). I think this will compromise the integrity of the mainline.
i know you use multiple setups for alungi , saw the pics ,( mux ta bxej cronic alungitis). , so what setup would you suggest me so that i prepare then, being mainline length from boat and tickness, leader tickness and preffered lure,
knots its about 6 , and i have 12lb trolling rod will it be enough?
thanks bro
I think 20lb would be better or 30-50lb.I have one 30lb and another 30-50lb.Regarding setup the gaffer will tell you better.Regarding lures i like to use the redhead or firetiger.I also caught on yozuri squid and jet head squids.
Pupu, your best bet would be to have at least a 20-40lbs rod. I spool my reels with 30/40lbs momoi diamond, which would be around 50lbs normal mainline, since momoi diamond line's breaking strength is rated at usually double that. For leader, I use 60lbs flurocarbon. Lures are your personal preference. I've caught alongi on redheads, williamson, but my main lre is the pakula dojo pechewww.pakula.com (http://www.pakula.com)
Lure distance from boat is also down to personal preferences. Some suggest swimming your lures way back, others like to keep them nearer the boat. The ideal positioning would be in the 85-115 feet distance from the transam. However, if you are not getting any bites, I would suggest you swim them further. This is all depends the propwash, vibrations ect. As a starter, again depending on the size of your boat, I would suggest a 2 to 3 lure spread, swimming in a sort of 'V' shape, with your middle lure furthest. If you go for only 2 lines, then position one line at about 90 feet away and the other 115 feet away. Play around with lengths if after half an hour trolling in a productive area you don't get any strikes.
Also, watch out for any surface activity, splashes, current lines, water temperature breaks. If you have a good fishfinder, try and locate baitfish, normally, where there are baitfish, there are the predators!
Best of luck mate....Alongi season is only 2 months away....and counting.....
Are there any suggestions for a good pattern for a 4 rod set-up - 2 high and 2 flat lines? Do you suggest having any of them weighted and what patterns/lengths?
Thanks skip and Gaffer for this information!
Can you please let me know from where i can buy momoi diamond fishing line here in Malta?
Thanks,
Stevegb
@benri If you go on www.pakula.com there are all the setups there.I once asked myself and i think the gaffer or shanook sent me the link.
Hi camkev, I think I had sent you the link you're referring to.... But what I'd like is to have a pattern with regards to lengths of 2 high and 2 flat lines (which should be long and which short) - and whether anyone would suggest having 1 or 2 of them weighted.
upps sorry i didn't mention you regarding the link ;)
benri we usually fish in a 'V' pattern if u are going to add weights to any line as well as different types of lures u have to be a bit careful when trolling 4 lines.
Make sure u know which type of lure drags water more than another EG if its a flat head it drags water if its a bullet type than its a fast one. When u add weight thats the one that drags most, put a flat nose lure next to it then a less drag lure and the fastest lure as last. When u want to turn keep the weighted lure on the inside of the turn (urn on it) and try not to make sharp turns. May u hear all 4 reels go together,
Thanks Shanook. I was thinking of putting the high ones further away (20 and 25 fathoms out) with say a rapala deep diver and the corner ones - one flat lined and the other with a 200g weight further inward (16 & 20 Fathoms).
Does it make sense or am I inviting trouble?
thanks gaffer , very helpfull as always, will the firetiger deep diver 20cm work as a lure , and about momoi diamond lines . who imports them, and another thing dont forget im on the list for the fishing trips . that will sure give me a clearer picture, igri jasal.
Quote from: SteveGB on April 07, 2009, 14:22:30 CET
Can you please let me know from where i can buy momoi diamond fishing line here in Malta?
Thanks,
Stevegb
You can't Steve, however I have managed to deal with a source in the US where we can get it at very good prices for the forum. Ideally we buy in bulk as mono is always cheaper on a bulk spool, but also available on 1000 yard spools though I advise 3000 yard spools for half the price per yard and you have for more than one reel/when you need to respool again.
Will post some info shortly.
Thanks Skip, Yes I intend to buy a spool, have found on internet but if you have a better contact will appreciate the information.
Also i have another question maybe someone can help me out. I have recently bought a conventional trolling reel (will use for Albacore) and it takes 320 yards of 30 Lb line. Now I am used to having capacity in Meters/Diameter on my previous reels. There are many different 30Lb lines with different diameters according to the brand etc etc. So what is the basic/normal diameter for a 30 Lb line? I mean if I can put a line which can take more than 30Lb but with the same diameter of a 30Lb line it would be better as I can still keep 320 yards on and have more strength. Hope you understand why im confused, thanks
0.52mm - 0.59mm is around the norm. Basic 30lbs mono is around 0.52, some of the higher end stuff with extra coatings etc might be closer to 0.59mm.
You can either consider using 20lbs Momoi Diamond which breaks at around 33lbs or stick with 30lbs diamond which breaks at around 50lbs!
Otherwise you have to start looking at Braided lines (Spectra) stuff like powerpro etc in order to get line capacity on the reel and that stuff is not cheap! Definately not recommended if you're on a tight budget. 320yards should be fine for Alungi, worst case scenario just make sure your boat can go in reverse!
Benri while driving in a straight line there shouldnt be any problems if u take a large turn u should be ok. tun on the weighted lure.
Hi guys I have a question with regards the main line to put in my reel for albacore. I went to check out a few lines at a local fishing tackle shop and the shop assistant showed me a Yo-zuri line called MAREA Tournament line(blue roll of 200mt). This line is 50mm and on the roll there is written that it takes 23 Kgs. That's around 50 Lbs and at 50mm I should be able to put in 320yards as my reel takes 320 yards of 30Lbs (and as skip advised me before 30lbs is usually approx .52mm in diameter) . Have anyone used/or heard about this line and do you think it will do for my main line?
Thanks a lot,
Steve GB
I have used the Yo-zuri MAREA(fluocarbon) as a leader for Alungi for these last 3 years .Never had any problems with it.I found it very strong.
Hi SteveGB. For albacore I use the 30lbs momoi diamond line on 20-40lbs Penn rods. As leader I use 60lbs PLine fluorocarbon leader. If you wait a few days, Skip will get in touch so we can order the momoi diamond line in sort of bulk from a good source he found on the net.
Steve, I can only see the Marea Tournament mono in 200m (218yard) spools and I would be hesitant to be joining two lines so that might be a non starter unless you're happy to join, plus 200 yards isn't really enough for trolling.
As The Gaffer said we're looking at doing a bulk order of Momoi Diamond for this season.
Thanks, I will wait when you do the bulk order and decide then.
Btw the 200m rolls are all connected so I can buy two rolls joined together and therefore have 400m of line. Was just asking as it looked like a good line being .50mm, taking 23 kg (50lb), and i couldn?t find anything on it on the internet.
Steve
@skip,When you are going to order please let me know cause maltembu and myself will be ordering.Thanks
Quote from: benri on April 07, 2009, 14:34:20 CET
Hi camkev, I think I had sent you the link you're referring to.... But what I'd like is to have a pattern with regards to lengths of 2 high and 2 flat lines (which should be long and which short) - and whether anyone would suggest having 1 or 2 of them weighted.
If they're already connected by the manufacturer that's something else and quite interesting because 0.50mm 50lbs line is indeed a great specification on paper.
Camkev am currently discussing with the Gaffer at the moment. Tell you what will open a new thread and ask you to all post your requirements in there. Thanks