jien ergajt.... nispera ma naqlax polemika ohra ;)
fish4tomorrow qed jiffilmjaw dokumentarju qasir dwar is-sajd f'Malta biex nippromovu l-konsum ta' hut sostennebli w biex nimformaw in-nies dwar is-sajd bla razan.
Ha nibda billli najd li d-dokumentarju mhux se jkollu xetha politika u mhux se nippruvaw nattakkaw xi kumpaniji kbar jew il-farms jew il-politici. F'dal filmat nixtiequ nuru n-nies (li ma jifmu xejn dwar is-suggett) kif jigi maqbud il-hut u kif hawn hafna hut min xiex tghazel u mhux biss tonn, pixxispad u lampuki. Nixtiequ wkol nippromovu s-sajd tradizzjonali (li ahna inhossu li qed jonqos wisq inhabba l-ispejjes, kwotas u kompetizjoni) u nuru daqxejn kemm huma tajbin id-dellitanti.
Nixtiequ nghamlu intervisti ma d-dellitanti w ukoll professjonalisti - specjalment dawk li jiftakkru l-bahar b'mod differenti u li jistghu jispjegaw lin-nies kif inbidlet is-sajd inhabba l-overfishing u problemi ohrajn. Nixtiequ nohorgu fuq il-bahar maghkhom biex nigbdu filmati tas-sajd - ghandna nies bravi li jafu jifilmjaw b'mod professjonali u d-dokumantarju se jkun tajjeb hafna.
Jekk tixtieq tippartecipa ibaghtuli pm. Se niffilmjaw f'dawn il-gimghat li gejjin. Min jistad bil-harpoon ukol jista jippartecipa, nixtiequ nuru lin-nies li minn jistad bil-harpoon bin-nifs ma jghamilx hsara - ghax dawn saru jidru hziena nhabba dawk li joghdsu bic-cilindru.
Dawn huma il-mistoqsijiet li se nsaqsu fl-interview:
-kemm ilek tistad?
-kif bdejt tistad?
-joghgbok dwar is-sajd?
-kif inbidlu l-affarajiet biz-zmien?
-is-sajd bla razan/overfishing hija problema? ghaliex?
-liem hut qed ibati l-iktar inhabba dan?
-x'effett kellu fuqhekk dan?
Grazzi.
Inizjattiva eccellenti!
Jiena ilni nhambaq snin fuq il-catch&release, sfortunatament iktar ghamilt ghedewwa milli hbieb, u tlift hafna klijenti, imma per principju nhoss li ghandi nghidilhom in-nies.
Proset inizjattiva tajba din
jien naqbel li ghandu isir dan it tip ta taghlim.pero nispera li jekk veru tridu turu lil min hu ftit diletant jew thajru lil min mhux,uruna affarijiet basici li nistghu imorru nistadu u niehdu gost. ghax dan l ahhar spiccajna supost ha titalghem xi ftit tips fuq is sajd u aktar titaghlem affarijiet ohra. jien nitaghlem fuq il hut u fuq isajd nixtieq. isajd donnu gie hobby li biex tarma trid balla liri,dghajsa kbira bmutur kbir u xeba reels u qasab li jiswew hafna flus.u dak li jkun jonfoq kemxa sew u xorta johrog jistad u ma jiehux gost .ghax iteknika kif jaqbad huta hadd ma jaghlimilu. fil fatt mhux hekk tista tarma bi ftit flus u tiehu gost xorta.mhux qed nghid tarma blimbarazz imma qasba u reel ta dilletant tista taqbad hafna hut .perezempju il lizzijiet jtuk pjacir. u min ghandu xi dghajsa zghira xorta jista jaqbad hut basta tkun taf x ghandek taghmel.
idea tajba hafna prosit tassew.
@bo - Naqbel perfettament ma dak li qed tghid. Jien anzi nghid forsi gieli waqajt fin-nasba li qed tispjega sew int. Nixtru reels kbar, narmaw bil-belli liri, u fl-ahhar issib li xorta l-istess huta qed taqbad. Hemm bzonn niehdu is-sajd lura ghal dak li kien; passatemp.
jien dilletant tar rixa u ma nhobbx nara kbir.isajd tieghi xi sawrella. lizzijiet.kubrit .lampuki u sajd ta dan it tip.lures ghandi xi 120 wahda u nhobb nixtri u narma xi rixa.imma hafna drabi hadt gost brix semplici hafna li ma jiswix flus.waqajt finasba kemm il darba ghax immur nixtrl xi haga zghira u nispicca naghmel xirja.jien dejjem nibqa nittama li xi darba nsib lil dak ix xi hadd li veru jrid jaghlem idelizzju tas sajd.jien nahseb li mhemmx ghalfejn nimodernizzaw izejjed biex naqbdu huta.ezempju zghir ha naghti.ikollok kaxxa rix u hut god dajghsa u ma taqbadx huta ,mbad bsunnara u bicca klamar maha taghmel sajda sabiha.forsi mhux kulhadd jaqbel mieghi imma jien hekk nifimha.sabih li tarma bxi haga differenti u tesperimenta xi ftit imma ma nhallux il hsieb jigri bihna.
Edukazzjoni importanti izda fl-ahhar il-catch and release ghandha tibqa ghazla personali, ovvjament fl-ambitu tal-ligijiet. Kulhadd ghandu jaqbel li ma taghmilx sens li toqtol denci ta xi 200 jew 300g (anke jekk bil-ligi tista zzommu ghax il-ligijiet qeghdin sew - sargu ta 22.5 cm trid tehilsu ghax zghir imma denci ta 12 cm tista zzommu!).
Izda rridu wkoll niftakru li, per ezempju f'pajjizna, l-industrija kollha tas-sajd tal-lampuki ibbazata fuq il-qbid ta tunellati ta frieh - il-lampuka tikber hafna.
Mela li jinqabdu dawk il-lampuki hollha frieh ok - no problem. Izda jekk naqbad zewg cervjoliet ta nofs kilo l-wahda jien (ukoll frieh) li bijhom nieklu jien u l-mara hawn min kwazi kwazi jippretendi li ghandi nehlishom ghax zghar - imbaghad ha mmur nixtri l-lampuki!
Jien ghalija li niekol huta li naqbad parti mid-delizzju. U kieku nista niekol il-hut kulljum - infatti ftit immur nistad (u ftit naqbad) u ghalhekk nixtri hafna hut. Kull huta li naqbad li hi undersize skond il-ligi dejjem nehlisha izda inzomm ukoll hafna mnn dak naqbad. Kull ma hadt id-dar dejjem ittiekel u qatt ma rmejt hut.
naqbel perfettament ma lazyfisherman.nitlaq tieghi il-bahar [u hafna minnu jmut xorta} u mmur nixtri hut bl-gholi u mhux frisk .li jittiekel mhu hela qatt!
Quote from: bo on August 28, 2012, 13:35:26 CET
jien dilletant tar rixa u ma nhobbx nara kbir.isajd tieghi xi sawrella. lizzijiet.kubrit .lampuki u sajd ta dan it tip.lures ghandi xi 120 wahda u nhobb nixtri u narma xi rixa.imma hafna drabi hadt gost brix semplici hafna li ma jiswix flus.waqajt finasba kemm il darba ghax immur nixtrl xi haga zghira u nispicca naghmel xirja.jien dejjem nibqa nittama li xi darba nsib lil dak ix xi hadd li veru jrid jaghlem idelizzju tas sajd.jien nahseb li mhemmx ghalfejn nimodernizzaw izejjed biex naqbdu huta.ezempju zghir ha naghti.ikollok kaxxa rix u hut god dajghsa u ma taqbadx huta ,mbad bsunnara u bicca klamar maha taghmel sajda sabiha.forsi mhux kulhadd jaqbel mieghi imma jien hekk nifimha.sabih li tarma bxi haga differenti u tesperimenta xi ftit imma ma nhallux il hsieb jigri bihna.
Very well said.... 10 points
...Fl-opinjoni tieghi qed nwaqaw il gebla fuq saqajna hbieb....min hu deltant, deletant....ma ghanniex bzonn ghaqdiet biex juruwna dan kollu.....il forum huwa xi haga bizzejjed ghalina, li sfortunatament qed jigi mifrux fuq tpoics differenti ghajr dak tad delizzju tradizzjonali tghana.....nerga nsostni li bizzejjed ghawn il gvern bin nies tijaw li qighed jghamel moniteracc fdan is settur vast....so better go fishing then keep moaning and explaing facts....flahhar haga, ghal min hu deletant jew ser ikun deletant nixtieq ntieh dan il parir...dak huwa sabih tas sajd li tibda min xejn u titghalem u tiskopri....tuza l hin ghal delizju (sostenibli) talloka il hin ghalieh, tonfoq il flus pero ha nghidlek per esperjenza tieghi ...dak li ridt rizultat dejjem gibtu ghalkhem bosta drabi morna ghal xejn.....pero xi darba taqbad u tkun sodisfatt.....jekk is sajd zommu bhala delizzju wahdek turi interess fih.....pero nerga npoggi il kummenti tieghi ma nafx fejn ser jasal awn gew...
Nahseb qed nifhem il-punt tieghek Pauline Tuna. Jidher li hawn wisq enfasi bhalissa fuq id-delizju tas-sajd, milli hawn djalogu ta x'qed jigri ezatt fl-ibhra taghna.
id-dilettant genwin huwa kontra il-qirda sfrenata.Jekk l-awtoritajiet ma jridux jaghtu kas,allura hemm bzonn isiru ghaqdiet bhal dawn.ma ninsewx,li jekk jispicca l-hut jispicca d-dilettant!
Quote from: caldaland on August 30, 2012, 11:41:58 CET
id-dilettant genwin huwa kontra il-qirda sfrenata.Jekk l-awtoritajiet ma jridux jaghtu kas,allura hemm bzonn isiru ghaqdiet bhal dawn.ma ninsewx,li jekk jispicca l-hut jispicca d-dilettant!
U bhalissa qed issir qirda liema bhala fl-ibhra taghna. Qirda li l-konsegwenzi taghha ser jibqaw maghna ghal dejjem!
hekk hu! ghalhekk ghandna naghtu appogg lil dawn l-ghaqdiet.
Quote from: caldaland on August 30, 2012, 11:55:37 CET
hekk hu! ghalhekk ghandna naghtu appogg lil dawn l-ghaqdiet.
Ma naf xejn fuq dawn l-ghaqdiet jien. Li jdejjaqni huwa li certu individwi juzaw il-forum biex jilhqu l-ghanijiet personali tahhom. Il-forum beda fit-2006, kien bidu modest hafna, matul is-snin kompla jissahhah, biex hu l-forza li hu llum. Biex wasal fejn qied illum, il-forum wasal hemm bis-sahha tal-membri tieghu, u bid-dedikazjoni ta xi individwi hawn li hadu hsieb l-interessi tal-forum qabel tahhom. Il-Forum kien strumentali biex certu inizjativi li kullhadd jgawdi illum, kien il-forum li tkellem l-ewwel fuqhom ma l-awtoritajiet concernati, u qajjem l-interess. Il-forum huwa b'sahtu hafna, ghax permezz tieghu jintlahqu eluf ta individwi, organizazjonijiet, ghaqdiet, u awtoritijiet. Biss biss, il-forum huwa membru shih tal IGFA, organizazjoni dinjija, li l-vuci tahha tiddi mal- erba rkejjen tad-dinja. Daqshekk hija b'sahhita l-forum.
Iktar ma jkun hawn fragmentazjoni ta' ghaqdiet, u vucijiet, iktar jinholoq tahwid biex minhu b'sahtu, jkompli jgawdi.
Gaffer...naqbel perfettament mighek....nixtieq u nzid li hawnhekk bil miktub ma jistax issir requests bhal ma qed jghamlu certu ndividwi li ghandhom xi forma ta ghaqda....nistaqsi....hemm xi tip ta dokumentazzjoni rigward din l-ghaqda jew kumitat jew organizzazjoni...id dritt li ghandhom fuqna deletant, u kif qed issir il moniteracc jew studju fuq impatt biologiku jew ta interess personali li jista jfisser hafna min wara l-kwinti....nixtieq li nzommu dan il forum ghad deletant u mux biex nipruvaw nimpresjonaw u naqblu jew ma naqblux...ghawnhek issir diskussjoni ghal gid u mux min hu wara dak u liehor u xjista jghamel....ghal dawk laffarijiet personalment nghid li ma ghandiex alfejn aqdiet privati, pero hemm min jarahom tassew u macertak li dawn laffarijiet qed issiru bir reqqa u skond il ligi....mhux ga la darba tikumenta izda trid tara xhemm wara l-proposti u lkummenti li qed issiru u jinghadu....tifukawx fuq haga wahda ax imbad tigi mifruxa fuq hafna sajd iehor...pero nghalaq biex nistaqsi....din il fish4 tomorrw, xtista tressaq quddiem il mejda biex ahna nemmnu verament dawn xqed joffru ta ghajnuna lílna deletant....huwa detriment jew huwa ta ghajnuna.....spjegazzjoni iswed fuq labjad jew forom ta dokumentazzjonijiet....
Il forum huwa media wisq bsahhietha u qed ibza li qeda titlef membri minhabba l-indhil ta hafna nies li qed ifixklu il hiddma taghkhom li ghalijha nghidulkhom grazzi.....l-ilegalita nhalluwha fidejn min jifhem...il forum nhaluh ad deletant...u l-ghaqdiet li mandhomx xjaqsmu awn isibu olternativi fejn jireklamaw dak li qed jiproponu....NHALLU DAN IL FORUM AD DELETANT fejn fieh naqsmu lesperjenzi tas sajd li jsir lokalment kif darba konna nghamlu.....
Pauline Tuna - ma nistax nabel ma dan l-attegjament. Il-forum huwa wiehed publiku, u jien l-ewwel wiehed niddefendi d-dritt ta kull individwu jew ghaqda li tidhol hawn gew u tesprimi l-opinjoni tahha. Pero, ma jfissirx li ghax ma naqblux, ghanda nohonqu l-vuci ta dak li jkun. Ghanda minflokk inresqu argumenti u fatti ghad-diskussjoni.
Mill banda l-ohra, kull membru, hu minn hu, ghandu d-dritt li jistaqsi, jiddiskuti, u iva, jofri argumentazjoni u alternativi biex id-delizju taghna jimxi l-quddiem. Ejja niddiskutu u nargumentaw hawn, halli wara, meta niffacjaw l-awtoritajiet, ikunu vuci wahda soda. Jien bir-rispett kollu lejn kullhadd, nibqa nsostni li l-aqwa vuci li tezzisti ghal interess tas-sajjieda dillettanti Maltin kollha hija dan il-forum. Dan x'nghid jien. Haddiehor jaf jara tieghu l-aqwa!
Joe,iltaqa ma debono u tkellem mieghu,ma tiddejjaqx, u jkun jista jfissirlek l-iskopijiet tieghu.Biex ahna nikkumbattu il-hnizrijiet li qed isiru bhalissa, ghandna bzonn kull ghajnuna,tigi min fejn tigi.Li skop fundamentali tieghu huwa li s-sajd ikun sostenibbli.Forsi dan mhux li-skop taghna wkoll?l-ahhar haga.Thaliiex lil min jipprova jingannak,billi jippoza ta dilettant u ma jkun dilettant xejn.fil-fatt hadt pjacir hafna li int ma waqajtx fin-nasba!
Jiena nahseb li kul min jixtieq il-gid ta dan id-delizzju ghandu jahdem id f'id mal-Federation tad-dilettanti u il-forum li sa fejn naf jien ghandu relazjoni tajba mal-Federation, wara kollox din imwaqfa u immexxijja min dilletanti tas-sajd bhalna. Probbabli dak li il-lum qed insejhulu hnizrijiet u forsi hekk hu , bhal dan iz-zmien sena inkunu qed nigustifikawh ghax ic-cirkustanti fil-pajjiz ikunu differenti. Ghal min jiftakar fis-70's l-istorja tal-kaccaturi hekk bdiet b'nies jitkellmu fuq kacca sostenibbli li ma kienux jifmhu fil-H##a, il-lum..... kulhadd jafha l-istorja.
bhal daz-zmien sena ma jkunx baqa certu hut li llum insibuh bl-abbundanza siehbi.li ma nistax nifhem hu kif qed thallat il-kacca mas-sajd.zewg delizzji totalment differenti,zmenijiet differenti u nies differenti.bil-forum u bil-federation biss xorta ma wasalniex.jenhtieg kull ghajnuna li tasal.umbghad jekk wara naraw li giet hazina malajr naqilbu l-pass.biss ma nghaglux biex niggudikaw.nistennew il-fatti.
l-istess nies li kissru l-kacca huma l-istess nies li qed jipprovaw ikissru lid-dilettanti tas-sajd.b-qawwa akbar anzi ghax issa hemm interessi finanzjarji persunali.dak li qed jipprova jsir huwa impediment ta dan.jekk ma nippruvawx nitkissru!
Naqbel mieghek caldaland, fit-tieni post wrejt is-similarita bejn iz-zewg delizzji u sewwa osservajt. Li qieghed nissugerixxi hu li kull inizjattiva ghanda tkun taht kappa wahda u mhux naqbdu hafna truf u naqsmu in-nies. Hemm lobbying kbir ghaddej min naha ta diving schools/clubs, lukandiera ecc bl-iskuza tat-turizmu biex jonqos drastikament is-sajd mal-kosta u jinholqu riservi maritimi ma kullimkien. F'l-istess hin dawn jipromovu u jiehdu it-turisti jghumu fil-gageg tat-ton bhala attrazzjoni u addio l-over fishing tat-Ton u tal-hut biex jaghlfuh bih ghal iktar min 6 xhur. Dan hu ezempju wiehed u bhalu hemm bosta.
dak kollu li qed tighd fisheye huwa kollu minnu.Biss dan ir-ragel mhux qed jaghmel xi club fejn jiehu il-membri ta hadd iehor.Dan qed jipprova jifhem ghaliex qed jonqos il-hut mil-bahar taghna.Wara,dan jaghmel pressure fuq dawk li qed jaghmlu din il-hsara.Huwa fl-obligu taghna li nikxfu il-verita u infemuh li mhux ahna id-dilettanti il-htija.Xi dilettanti min dan il-forum u anka mhumiex iltqajna mieghu u tkellimna,u hu sema u saqsa bosta mistoqsijiet.Issa jaf li 'l-qerda mhux id-dilettant qieghed jaghmila,biss jenhtieg inkommplu nfehmuh.Ejjew intuh chance,wara kollox,jekk CERTU sajd kummercjali jibqa ghaddej ahna ha nitilfu id-delizzju taghna,allura ma ghandniex x-nitilfu.
Ma kellix cans naqra dawn il-kummenti qabel. Naqbel ma' hafna li qed tghidu - u grazzi caldaland tal-kummenti tieghek.
Pauline, biex niklarifka, ahna maghndna l-ebda "dritt" fuq id-delletanti. Mahnix xi tip ta' awtorita. Bhala strutura l-kampanja hija joint-venture bejn 5 ghaqdiet (Din l-art helwa, Nature Trust, Sharklab, Greenhouse u Getupstandup). Bhala ghaqdiet ghandna reputazzjoni pjutost tajjeb, sa fejn naf jien. Bhala kampjana l-ghann tghana huwa li neddukaw in-nies dwar il-problemi abjentali assocjati mas-sajd u kif jistghu jazlu hut maqbud b'mod sostennibli. Barra minn-Malta hemm kampanji similari bhal fish2fork l-UK (http://www.fish2fork.com/), MBA seafood watch l-Amerika (http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/seafoodwatch.Aspx), u Mr Goodfish, li-jezisti f'diversi pajjizi (http://www.mrgoodfish.com/en/index.html).
In-nies li qed jahdmu fuq dan il-progett mhumiex esperti u hafna minnha lanqas nistadu, imma ghandna motivazjoni biex nghamlu differenza ghal gid l-ambjent u is-sajjied. Ghalhekk sirt membru f'dan il-forum, biex nkun nistgha nitghallem mill-membri (filfatt diga tghallimt hafna min ghandkom). Ahna, carament, nixtiequ naraw tibdilliet ghal-gid is-sajjied tradizjonali u d-diletanti.
Grazzi tal-kummenti tghakhom, u jekk tixtiequ li-niltaqaw biex nitkellmu personalment kemm tibghatlu PM.
Ghall-informazzjoni tghakom suppost se niehdu semm fil-Festa tal-Lampuki, San Giljan, u se jkollna exhibition tar-ritratti waqt Notte Bianca (ghal min ghandu Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/218969248232104/).
Tkun tajjeb kieku minn hu interressat jigi jzurna :)
minn naha tieghek, jehtieg li tiftiehem naqa ma xi hadd ha tmur tistad u tara is sajda tad dilettant. ;). Forsi min jaf, inwebbluk ukoll.
L awtoritajiet irirdu jifmhu li l hut li jigi mid dilettant u s sajjied tradizzjonali (li juza apparat ta sajd mhux distruttiv) huwa maqbud b mod sostenibbli hafna u jiggenera iktar flus minn dak tat trawlers. (multiplier effect)
Jin ghadni sal lum ma nifimx kif dilettant ma jistax jistad u jaqbad tonna u l haddiema tal fish farms hlief jistadu bil brazzol quddiem l patrol boat ma jaghmlux....
granitu il liegi mux al kulhad !
Granitu..stajt tibenefika min quota ghal qbid tat tonn, allokata lilna deltanti MFC ta 1500 kg li kienet mifruxa fost hafna deletanti...kellek cans tapplika...lahwa noqodu attenti kif nparlaw awn gew !!...ax nwaqaw il gebla fuq saqajna.....
@ Debono....jien naqbel mal fatt li intom tridu tipromovu affarijiet sbieh ghad deletant..pero nsaqsi....jekk intom minthomx ntizi fdan is settur u ghad tridu titghalmu...ghal issa ma jaqbilx tghamlu posts biex tqajmu kontroversji...il punt tieghi huwa li bizzejed ghanna min itambrilna fuq rasna minhabba affairijiet li jikoncernaw lilna...il ligijiet ghalina diletanti jinfuenzawna hafna...nzidu ukoll li il fuel ghad dajjes tghana huwa ferm gholi u dejjem jghola...voldieri kull haga ta kuntrarju narawa kerha fuqna diltentanti....nghidlek biss illi il fisheries jikontrollaw dan is settur sewwa wisq, u mhux lilna diletanti biss pero onka fuq skala proffesjonali fejn naf bic cert li l-moniteracc taghhom u l-implementazzjoni tal ligi hija mharsa sewwa u hemm min wehel multi kbar u fil kas ta kumoaniji ta tonn tharbu ukoll tonn li jkun hajj u li l-kwoti taghom gej maqbuza...dan sar taht control ta IICAT u taht kontroll ta ufficjali governattivi.
@ il kelma 'SOSTENIBLI' li intom tirepetu u sostnu hafna fuqha..nibza li mux qed tkunu cari bizzejed fuqha...nibza li min karta ghal realta u ghal pratika kif nghamlu ahna diltenati tfisser hafna...tfisser bópinjoni diversa...li lquddiem jitresqu emendi, jew proposti li jista jkun hadd ma jiehu gost bijhom......
Debono....jien dilettant u sajd huwa hajti....pero nghidlek biss li ghaqdiet ghawn hafna, kwazi kull pajjis ghandu ghaqda tas sajd u onka tnejn....ghanna ukoll il fisheries tharisna u tghamel moniteracc.....voldieri ahsbu seww fuq dak li qed tistudjaw fuqu ax id diletant ghandu l pis ukoll u ahna nghamlu min kollox biex nharsu is sostenibilta tghana diletant...ghalkhem dan kollu hemm min jarah !!
Hawnhekk ikolli naqbel ma Pauline Tuna. Il-fatt li Fish4Tomorrow hija maghmiula minn niex, li kif starr tajjeb hawn is-Sur Debono, ma jifhmux fis-sajd, jista jaghmel aktar deni milli gid. Il-fatt li hemm diversi ghaqdiet involuti, ukoll jaghti lokk ghal diversi interpretazjonijiet ta kif wiehed ihares lejn sajd sostenibli.
Pero huwa minnu ukoll dak li qal Granitu, tara hafna nies, fil-fishfarms, jistadu u jaqbdu it-tonn. Ma nafx jekk humiex impjegati jew le, imma ikunu gewwa dawn, wara l-perimitru tal-hbula, mela jew impjegati, jew bil-barka tal-impjegati qed jistadu hemm gew.
Nerga lura ghal argument ta sajd sostenibli. Ejja ma nkunux cwiec l-ahwa. Is-sajd bix-xibka, u is-sajd bit-tkarkir, qered l-ibhra taghna minn kull forma ta hut. Tiftakru meta kont tista tmur fuq is-sikka l-bajda jew Hurd's bank u taqbad il-pagell ul-pagri, capullaz, u dawk is-serran tan-nofs kilo. Tiftakru hux, imma daqshekk biss baqa, memorji. Koillox inqerred. Jien niftakar ta guvni nohrog mix-Xaghjra ta Haz-Zabbar nistad ghal qieh. Naqbad gharajjes tal-kuruna, brieqex, sparli tal-porzjon...nini nini issa taqbadhom dawn. Kollox spicca, kollox injqerred. pariti, bombi, tkarkir, qered kollox.
Quote from: Pauline Tuna on September 06, 2012, 12:35:33 CET
Granitu..stajt tibenefika min quota ghal qbid tat tonn, allokata lilna deltanti MFC ta 1500 kg li kienet mifruxa fost hafna deletanti...kellek cans tapplika...lahwa noqodu attenti kif nparlaw awn gew !!...ax nwaqaw il gebla fuq saqajna.....
@ Debono....jien naqbel mal fatt li intom tridu tipromovu affarijiet sbieh ghad deletant..pero nsaqsi....jekk intom minthomx ntizi fdan is settur u ghad tridu titghalmu...ghal issa ma jaqbilx tghamlu posts biex tqajmu kontroversji...il punt tieghi huwa li bizzejed ghanna min itambrilna fuq rasna minhabba affairijiet li jikoncernaw lilna...il ligijiet ghalina diletanti jinfuenzawna hafna...nzidu ukoll li il fuel ghad dajjes tghana huwa ferm gholi u dejjem jghola...voldieri kull haga ta kuntrarju narawa kerha fuqna diltentanti....nghidlek biss illi il fisheries jikontrollaw dan is settur sewwa wisq, u mhux lilna diletanti biss pero onka fuq skala proffesjonali fejn naf bic cert li l-moniteracc taghhom u l-implementazzjoni tal ligi hija mharsa sewwa u hemm min wehel multi kbar u fil kas ta kumoaniji ta tonn tharbu ukoll tonn li jkun hajj u li l-kwoti taghom gej maqbuza...dan sar taht control ta IICAT u taht kontroll ta ufficjali governattivi.
@ il kelma 'SOSTENIBLI' li intom tirepetu u sostnu hafna fuqha..nibza li mux qed tkunu cari bizzejed fuqha...nibza li min karta ghal realta u ghal pratika kif nghamlu ahna diltenati tfisser hafna...tfisser bópinjoni diversa...li lquddiem jitresqu emendi, jew proposti li jista jkun hadd ma jiehu gost bijhom......
Debono....jien dilettant u sajd huwa hajti....pero nghidlek biss li ghaqdiet ghawn hafna, kwazi kull pajjis ghandu ghaqda tas sajd u onka tnejn....ghanna ukoll il fisheries tharisna u tghamel moniteracc.....voldieri ahsbu seww fuq dak li qed tistudjaw fuqu ax id diletant ghandu l pis ukoll u ahna nghamlu min kollox biex nharsu is sostenibilta tghana diletant...ghalkhem dan kollu hemm min jarah !!
il quota kienet ghal min applika sentejn ilu jew kien jaf, pauline. Jin naf li kien hawn il kwota, mhix kwistjoni tal kwota.
il verita tibqa verita. Tal fishfarm ghandu l kwota u jistaduh illegali ukoll minn fuq d dghajsa taghhom. Din hi l issue. Issa jekk hawn min ma jridx jisma l verita u jghaddas rasu fir ramel fir ramel, f idejh. Jien pero nara l affarijiet kif inhuma mux gejna f punt li anqas kons tal lampuki ta 30 sunnara ma tista titfa!
Gaffer, ta fuq gewwa impjegati ikunu.
Min imur ghal kubrit naccetta, Naf min imur u jerga jitlaqhom (catch and release), imma bil brazzol tal 160mm ma tkunx ghal kubrit....
Jien bniedem li nohrog u nirrispetta l ligi u l bahar, imma meta nohrog u nara din il porkerija ta nies u awtorita, nibda nahsibha kemm jien cuc, biex ma nuzax kelma ohra u nkun baxx.
Ahna nofqu eluf tal Euros gaffer ghal passatemp, li l gvern jiehu t taxxi fuqhom. Dawn kollox minn taht u l gvern ma jaqlax lira, u l awtorita kollox mejjet ghaliha?
Sewwa qed tghid Granitu. Jien peress li dan huwa forum publiku, irrid inkun 'Politically correct' f'dak li nghid. Ma nafx fic-cert jekk humiex impjegati jew le, li naf fic-cert huwa li jien ma nistax nidhol nistad il-gewwa mill-habel tal-fishfarm. Pero dawn jistu, hemm ikunu, bil-brazzol, u l-baga. Jien bil-qasba nkun.
Tal-permess ghas-sajd tat-tonn ghad-dilettanti hija storja ambigwa. Fija hafna tahwid, u ma nixtieqx niddiskutija hawnhekk, ghax ma nafx il-fatti kollha. U il-ftit fatti li naf, nafhom minghand 3rd persuni, allura miniex daqshekk intiz fija l-affari.
Tal-fishfarm Granitu m'ghandux kwota. Il-kwota tohrog lis-sajjieda. Huma s-sajjieda li jbiehu l-kwota tahhom lil fishfarms!
Is-sajjieda maltin jafu li mal purse sieners ma jlahqux. Hafna minnhom japlikaw ghal kwota, biex wara jbihuha lil tal-fishfarms, ghax hekk jaqblilhom.
Huma il-ftit sajjieda Maltin li ghandhom johorgu bil-konzijiet ghat-tonn, u dan jaghmluh fil-bikri biss, ghax la darba jigu l-bastimenti tax-xibka Gappunizi, jaqtawlhom kollox. Uhud minnhom dawn is-sajjieda juzaw il-bastimenti tas-sajd tahhom biex ikarkru l-gagga lejn Malta, la darba tintela bit-tonn mill va[puri Gappunizi bix-xibka, jghidu jaghmlu iktar flus milli johorgu jistadu ghat-tonn.
@Granitu: Il kwota kienet mahruga fuq il gazzetta tal gvern...li kull citaddin jista jarahha u jitfa lapplikazzjoni ghalijha....li naqbel huwa li meta tohrog din il kwota il forum jigbed l-attenzjoni ghalijha. L-issue tas sajd li jistadu gewwa min min ikun haddiem ma tal fishfarms, Granitu nahseb dak mux jien jew inti narawh, nahseb dak l-imghalmin jarawh...nassigurak li kull mghallem ta kumopanija ma jhalliex il pagi li jghati hu stess jinhlew fhaddiema li ma jamlux xoghlom ajr li jistadu...tinsilwax jekk ma tafx ax tigi f'halq in nies bla intenzjoni habib....Rigward il hxuna tal brazzol mal gageg....nissugerilek titholx f'zarbun ta hadd iehor, kulhadd imur jistad kif irrid hu u huwa flóbligu tieghu kif jistad u xtip ta rkaptu juzha....hemm min jarah dak ix xoghol, ma nipretendiex deletant bhali jghidli xghandi nghamel....niehu pjacir nisma li inti segwi ligi tal bahar ax b'bhekk tkun responsabli ta emilek, bhala deletant nifrahlek u vera proset li tibqa segwi it tajjeb li tghamel inti....L-ahhar haga, nassigurak li dak li jisogra biex jghamel il hazin ax ikun ghadu ma nqabbadx......ara ma tahsibx li ligijiet qeghdin hemm biex tiksirhom ax il ligi qeghda tinghafas u qeda tigi mharsa...awn ufficjali hafna ukoll u moniteracc shih qed issir ta spiss...dajjes qeghdin jigu mwaqfa bosta u onka multi u citazzjonijiet qed issiru...voldieri granitu ahjar kelma anqas u tghamel fattik...milli tghati xi fatti li jista jfiosser li q
nkompli argument......jista jfisser li qed tirfes kallu ta xi hadd...isma minni !!!
@ Gaffer.....Ghandek ragun inti zomm il moderazzjoni tieghek....trid taqbel ma kulhadd pero dak li ghadnu ragun...hadd pjacir li flahhar fimt dak li ktibt lewwel...tinsiex diga ghanna sample xgara u kif bdiet storja ta kaccaturi u nassaba u kif spiccat issa....xbaqalhom...xejn !!!!!......
Ghamilt zball zghir Gaffer meta ghedt li tal fishfarms ma ghandhiomx kwoti...anzi nghidlek biss li ghandhom pero din tigi moghtija mil IICAT...fejn jekk qabel kellhom tant illum lguranta din tnaqset ferm..
....Nixtieq nghamel dan il punt biss.....vera ahna deletanti..pero is settur ta tonn ghawn malta jigenera hafna xoghol u hafna spejjes.....Dawn ihadmu hafna nies...jehtiegu hafna kuntratturi...iqalaw bosta flus lil hwienet u servizzi....fl-ekonomija ta malta ihalu eluf kbar ta euro li dawn immoru ghand nies bhalna jew tal business li dawn jhallu xol fost il pajjis....veru li jghamlu xjghamlu..pero nkunu sincieri...min mindu gew il farms...min irrid hu ma jmurx jiehu naqa gost maghom..hu xinhu lispeci ta hut li jmur ghalieh !!!...jekk inti deltant mil qalb taf ghal xiex qed nireferi !!
Quote from: Pauline Tuna on September 06, 2012, 15:07:33 CET
nkompli argument......jista jfisser li qed tirfes kallu ta xi hadd...isma minni !!!
@ Gaffer.....Ghandek ragun inti zomm il moderazzjoni tieghek....trid taqbel ma kulhadd pero dak li ghadnu ragun...hadd pjacir li flahhar fimt dak li ktibt lewwel...tinsiex diga ghanna sample xgara u kif bdiet storja ta kaccaturi u nassaba u kif spiccat issa....xbaqalhom...xejn !!!!!......
Ghamilt zball zghir Gaffer meta ghedt li tal fishfarms ma ghandhiomx kwoti...anzi nghidlek biss li ghandhom pero din tigi moghtija mil IICAT...fejn jekk qabel kellhom tant illum lguranta din tnaqset ferm..
....Nixtieq nghamel dan il punt biss.....vera ahna deletanti..pero is settur ta tonn ghawn malta jigenera hafna xoghol u hafna spejjes.....Dawn ihadmu hafna nies...jehtiegu hafna kuntratturi...iqalaw bosta flus lil hwienet u servizzi....fl-ekonomija ta malta ihalu eluf kbar ta euro li dawn immoru ghand nies bhalna jew tal business li dawn jhallu xol fost il pajjis....veru li jghamlu xjghamlu..pero nkunu sincieri...min mindu gew il farms...min irrid hu ma jmurx jiehu naqa gost maghom..hu xinhu lispeci ta hut li jmur ghalieh !!!...jekk inti deltant mil qalb taf ghal xiex qed nireferi !!
pauline, naf ghal xiex qed tghid ;)
imma anke minghajr fishfarm, dak s sajd kien isir ukoll ;)
L italja jaghmlu l istess sajda minghajr farms minn fuq s sikek - ma johorgux iktar minn 2 mili.
Kulhadd b xi kallu Pauline, naf li min hu l ikbar ihawwel, imma nassigurak li ahna d dilettanti niggeraw xol u ekonomija enormi.
Bizzejjed nghidlek li fuq l fuel l gvern jiehu 50c u iktar fuq kull litru ta diesel/petrol taxxa...
hawn xi hadd jaf, kemm il-tunellata hut tal-lampara jinqabad kuljum sabiex jitimghu it-tonn tal-gageg? kavalli,lacci,vopi,sawrell u issa anki tumbrell qed jiddawwal.issaqsux il-pizkerija,ghax dawn ma jidhlux hemm.
Caldaland....dak li qed isaqsi ghalieh inti, tista isaqsi lil tal fisheries li jistaw ituk detalji ahjar...dawk huma figuri publici....li hu vera huwa li hafna jinqabad u hafna jigi kunsmat bil mod kif qed tghid inti...pero li ma rridux ninsew huwa li biex dan issir .....jenhtieg hafna nies biex jahdmuh, jehtieg hafna nies biex jalfuh, jehtieg hafna xol biex izomu fil freezers - li dawn ikunu provduti min agenziji li jahdmu hafna nies mgahhom, jenhtieg hafna apparat biex il lamapara tahdem li jinxtara min hwienet maltin......Naf li inti deletant bhali u naf xinti tiprova tghid..naqbel mighek perfetament Caldaland...pero kulhadd irid jiekol....jekk nharsu il hsara li jghamlu setturi ohrajn nista nghidlek hares ftit madwarek u tara il hsara li saret u li qeda ssir...taf xjiena nghidlek habib !!!
@Pauline Tuna - Ghandek zball, u minn qed jinfurmak, qed jinfurmak hazin. L-iccat ma taghtix kwoti lil fishfarms. L-ICCAT tohrog kwoti ghal kull pajjiz. Huwa il-Pajjiz (gvern) li umbghadd jaloka l-kwoti. Ghal beneficju ta kullhadd, L-ICCAT (International Committee for the Conservation of BF Tuna) hija maghmula minn numru ta pajjizi firmatorji fejn fija jiftehmu (jew jipprovaw jifthemu) kif ser issalvaw endangered species ta BFT, u jiftehmu fuq kwota globali li wara tigi mqasma skond kriteri stabiliti.
Ejja ma nipprovawx indahqu in-nies bina, L-ICCAT huma kumitatt. Il-Gappun ma jirrikonnoxiex x'tghid l-ICCAT. Hemm Lobby qawwi hafna, ibbakjat mill-USA, li qed jipproponu lil-BFT jiehu CITES listing (Convention of International Trade of Endangered Species) li bazikament tfisser li it-tonn xorta jista jinqabad ghal konsum lokali, imma ma jistax jigi negozjat ma pajjizi barranin, iggifieri BAN TOTALI fuq esportazjoni tat tonn. Tafu kif gie l-ahhar vot fuqa din meta tresqet din il-proposta fis-CITES, li allura jekk tigi accetata trid bil-fors tigi attwata fl-ICCAT!....Minn total ta 129 pajjiz, 79 pajjiz ivvota KONTRA li BFT jigi under a CITES listing, 43 FAVUR u 14 Asstenew.
tafu xini l-ligi tal BFT fl-USA. il-legal size limit fl-USA hija 73inches, mhux 43 inches bhal ma hi Malta.
tal-fisheries m'ghandomx l-icken idea ghax hafna drabi il-qbid ma jigiex irrappurtat.hadd ma jista jighd kemm jinqabad
Il verita hi li flews kollox. l industrija tas sajd f Malta iddur madwar hames nigozjanti gganti li jkollna naghmlu kullox biex nikkuntentawhom, xi sitta mhux daqshekk kbar li jkollhom jghixu bil loqom li jitfawlom i gganti. hemm xi tuzzana li joholmu li xi darba jirnexxu imma mghandemx cans u l bqijja balla zghar li jkollom jibqaw biz z--p. U tigux tghajtu b tal Fisheries ghax dawk l aqqas ghadhom jezistu.
accjolaman,ilqat il-musmar fuq rasu.prosit!
id-dniefel dehlin ma l-art bil-guh,inaqqu x-xbiek u l-konzijiet.u fil-futur qrib, ma nibdewx naraw xi kelb il-bahar wkoll.biss ma nahsibx li dan jigi irrappurtat fuq il-mezzi tal-media.kollox qaqocca hbieb!
Gaffer I know all the subject and ure true...i gave that statement to keep it very simple to the people reading around...there is many criteria more.....taf inti ukoll !!
jien nahseb li kull minn hu dilletant li jistad xi naqra ghall passatemp daqt bye bye kollox .ghax nahseb bhal tas senter u l gabjun se jigrilna.biex tmur tistad naqra qeghda issir vera dificli. lewwel xokk xhin tmur tixtri il fuel ,mbad trid toqghod attent xtaqbad,biex issuq naqra ta dghajsa qisek se suq xi tanker.ghax trid tkun taf bnadar u dwal usinjali .tajjeb li titghalem imma izejjed kollu zejjed.nahseb ahna ha nbatluh il bahar ghax forsi nohorgu darba f gimgha jew anqas u niehdu ftit pjacir.meta niehdu ghax iktar hazina milli tajba[. kemm konnha sewwa meta konnha ghar.
ghalekk hemm bzonn l-ghaqda siehbi bo.
jien nahseb mhux ghaqda trid imma balla liri biex tkun tista tqassamha fil bwiet ta minn tigi bzonn.ghax bhekk forsi tista tiranga xi haga. jew xi qaddis .jekk tkun tal qalba aqbad tonn kemm trid imma jekk tkun naqra ta diletant qas tharislu ma tista. bil flus tixtri lill kulhadd .
Quote from: bo on September 06, 2012, 22:15:13 CET
jien nahseb li kull minn hu dilletant li jistad xi naqra ghall passatemp daqt bye bye kollox .ghax nahseb bhal tas senter u l gabjun se jigrilna.biex tmur tistad naqra qeghda issir vera dificli. lewwel xokk xhin tmur tixtri il fuel ,mbad trid toqghod attent xtaqbad,biex issuq naqra ta dghajsa qisek se suq xi tanker.ghax trid tkun taf bnadar u dwal usinjali .tajjeb li titghalem imma izejjed kollu zejjed.nahseb ahna ha nbatluh il bahar ghax forsi nohorgu darba f gimgha jew anqas u niehdu ftit pjacir.meta niehdu ghax iktar hazina milli tajba[. kemm konnha sewwa meta konnha ghar.
Sihbi bo jien nahseb li l hazin hu l immoru min estrem ghal iehor mhux li tkun taf xi jfiser il kullur tad dawl jew xi bandira dawk jistaw jevitaw xi incident
naqbel mijak. itfal li jkunu jigru bidingies li supost ikuknu tenders.jafuwom idwal u lbnadar?
min dawk hemm bzonn li jidbew qabel iwwega xi hadd ghax kulhadd jaf fejn ikunu jduru u ma tridx xi 30hp fuq dingi biex imexxi anzi nghid li 6hp ikun ittir
mitt darba w'elf bo,izda l-ghaqda dejjem tghin.
By the way... we filmed the documentary and screened it in various places. It can be seen here:
This was produced by a small group of youth volunteers, who interviewed various fishermen, divers, chefs and other people. Hope you like it. If you have feedback we would like to hear it, even if it is negative/criticism. Everybody has their own opinion, we tried to portray the story as it really is.
Very nice and informative documentary.I have seen it before and actually,aired it in my bar for a few fishermen friends.Keep it up.
Thanks - glad you liked it :)
Proset siehbi vera fih informazjoni tajba nispera li ma jaqax f widnejn torox . meta da niltaqaw wahda nergaw ;). keep it up u proset ghal darbohra
Prosit
Prosit :) Very nice presentation..
Well done. As you said, its the real story of what is really happening.
well done very nice
well done very nice
GGANTNO1,jiena ghodni gewwa jekk issir ohra.
Proset caldaland
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very nice documentary, so true...