Jigging for dentex / denci

[Seahunter]

rob i have caught 1kg cervjol and 1kg acciol and they arent the same

The only difference is the name!

[rob1974]

Greater amberjacks, Seriola dumerili, are the largest of the jacks. They usually have dark stripes extending from nose to in front of their dorsal fins. They have no scutes and soft dorsal bases less than twice the length of the anal fin bases. They are usually 18 kg (40 pounds) or less, and are found associated with rocky reefs, debris, and wrecks, typically in 20 to 75 m (10 to 40 fathoms).

Lesser amberjacks, Seriola fasciata, have a proportionately larger eye and deeper body than the greater amberjack. They are olive green or brownish-black with silver sides and usually have a dark band extending upward from their eyes. Juveniles have split or wavy bars on their sides. The adults are usually under 5 kg (10 lbs). They are found deeper than other jacks, commonly 50 to 130 m (30 to 70 fathoms).


courtesy of wikipedia

I saw some pics of the lesser amberjack on fishbase, and it is significantly different to our cervjola, so I do not think it can be mistaken for one.

Rob

[rob1974]

Think is these didn't have yellowish/golden colours on them, so I would be inclined to say small AJs

The yellow colour in juvenile AJs is normal, in fact in Italy they call them limoncelli.

Rob

[rob1974]

rob i have caught 1kg cervjol and 1kg acciol and they arent the same. maybe they are same species but they are different. 100%

Lapsiboy, it is a very common mistake that even professional fishermen make.  In Italy most fishermen think that the two are different species, but in fact they are one. 

Rob

[placebo]

i got two nice dentici 1 kg each today.

got an amberjack strike as i saw it coming up for the jig but did not hook.

[skip]

I've lately been going vertical / butterfly jigging for dentex and havent had any luck what so ever and i'm a 100% sure the fish are there. I have even used fluorocarbon leaders 0.80mm and 0.60mm to no avail.

Is there a specific colour / length / weight the jig should be as i've heard they are cunning fish.

Any tips would be kindly appreciated

I got my 5.6kgs and 3kgs Dentici on 150g Jigs with 5/0 hook in around 50m of water and got hit a few meteres off the bottom both times. Jig colour was nothing fancy, more of a neutral mackerel type colour with a bit of green on the bottom Akula by Hart. Leader was 0.7mm fluoro

[skip]

i got two nice dentici 1 kg each today.

got an amberjack strike as i saw it coming up for the jig but did not hook.

Launching the boat for a quick run paid off mela.....

[ciappinu]

Guys, you are driving me nuts with this jigging! I set up everything now, maybe just a good rod is missing but I will do with what I have for the moment. Will go today to try my luck. Any hints on locations? I'm leaving from Mellieha...

[Granitu]

don't make it seem so easy, it is not guys. unless you have a good spot it is for nothing!! No one will give you locations ciappinu, you have to find those by yourself, those sports are a mine of gold

and i don't think that skip is jigging in places that are very accessible to every boat in terms of distance. the probability is that he is jigging in places far out and/or far away, known to be hot spots by few. Not many spots yield 2 dentex a day, and a 5kgs dentex is some years old....not common to our seas unless you fish in remote places

of course some are not accessible to professional fisherman due to the fact that it costs the value of the fish to catch a fish, if you catch of course

well done skip it is nice to catch these fish but some small boats, like mine, we have to keep realistic goals cause we can't do those kind of distances or else it would take us too much time to do it. and fish would be on the lower side since our reachable places are overfished

[EmicMalta]

tried jigging for two whole days. Not even a single strike and we was with two rods and around 15 jigs

[ganni]

one of the worst things you cld do in jigging is give out your hot spots!!

after a bit of time the fish get used to the jig and the chances of getting a fish will be reduced.  if you give your hot spots, in a couple of days they will be fished by god knows how many boats and if so, you've had it, the hot spot becomes a cold one haha

[Granitu]

i would dare to say that in a matter of time these dentex will get used to this sysyem and we will have to change again... just like many do with us spear-fisherman

[ganni]

Infact some of the italians are already moving on to kabura jigging

[skip]

don't make it seem so easy, it is not guys. unless you have a good spot it is for nothing!! No one will give you locations ciappinu, you have to find those by yourself, those sports are a mine of gold

and i don't think that skip is jigging in places that are very accessible to every boat in terms of distance. the probability is that he is jigging in places far out and/or far away, known to be hot spots by few. Not many spots yield 2 dentex a day, and a 5kgs dentex is some years old....not common to our seas unless you fish in remote places

of course some are not accessible to professional fisherman due to the fact that it costs the value of the fish to catch a fish, if you catch of course

well done skip it is nice to catch these fish but some small boats, like mine, we have to keep realistic goals cause we can't do those kind of distances or else it would take us too much time to do it. and fish would be on the lower side since our reachable places are overfished

Actually to put 'everyone's' mind at rest, I was in a small 14ft boat so we were not far off in some remote place. To those that have tried and failed, rest assured it is very hard work. What you see when we post is the end result if one was lucky of a full day's jigging.....it has taught me that being persistent is something very important, as well as being physically fit as it's not easy. To consistently maintain a good strong jigging technique over the entire day is not easy.

The first time we were super lucky, the second time was a good learning experience and on the third time around full credit goes to the skipper (not me) whose skill was evident in terms of reading the bottom contours of the seabed and positioning the boat accordingly. I learnt alot from him yesterday and certainly jigging won't be for everyone but it's very rewarding when you catch something nice.

I would have to say that being persistent comes first, location second, equipment third......and regardless of all that you can have the best 'spot' in the world, if the fish aren't there you won't catch, if they're not in a feeding mood you won't catch, and if at the time they want to feed you're not around you won't catch!!

Also concerning spots I also learnt that just by going to a spot that was previously very good, guarantees no results whatsoever or we would have come back with lots more fish. Get to a spot, drop, jig, reposition, jig, and then move to the next spot in the same general area. Don't hesitate about going back to a spot you were already at earlier on, most fish move around.

And in fact I look forward to trying some spots further out

[Granitu]

that is what jigging is all about- but the maltese coast is overfished but i am glad that with some perseverance there is a glimmer of hope for us-in terms of dentex cause for ajs  i think there are quite a few places around in acceptable distances