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« on: December 18, 2010, 17:18:51 CET »

Guys, I've just unspooled all the line from 4 reels, and I noticed that all the line was twisted (mibrum).  I'm sure I spooled it on correctly, being that the same way the line is spooled on the line spool, it is then spooled onto the reel.  Can't understand how this happened.  Any ideas? Huh Huh
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 18:13:55 CET »

conv or spining reel?
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 18:25:06 CET »

Joe I do not know if the below is of any help, in fact it is not as far as I can see and you cannot really solve the issue assuming that you have the same type of conv. reels. I had the below info sometime ago as I expereince/d the same problem. Quote:- Line twist develops because as the line comes straight towards the reel it has to turn sidewards in order to load onto the spool. It is mechanically impossible for a line to turn through a right angle without twisting. This means that for every turn on the spool the line will create one twist, as the reel is loaded it forms thousands of twists which normally one cannot see. It is crucial that line is loaded onto a fixed spool reel correctly to limit line twist. Also, because any line will twist as the clutch is used, it means the more fish we catch using the clutch, the worse it can become, even if only catching a few “Alonghi” line twist can be rapid if the Albie take lots of line from the reel clutch. Reality is that it’s impossible to stop fishing line from twisting but it can be reduced. - Unquote:- I had noticed, during a long distance fishing trip in the US, that reels where emptied every other day, old line dumped and re loaded by a new line from large spools which really surprised me. I change my lines once every 2 years. Best if you change yours frequently and problem solved!!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 18:40:10 CET »

@ Gianni...It's conventional reels.

@ Seafox:  Yes, in fact thats what I do too.  Every 2 years I respool all my conventional reels.  I once saw a video which showed the correct way to spool line onto the reel.  The rule is that you have to follow the line as it comes off the line spool.  So, if the line is coming off from the top, then its loaded from the top onto the reel.  
I always used this method.  Only this time, the line was twisted.  Also, I'm sure the line was twisted while I was spooling up, as all my reels hold over 500mtrs of line and even on the last 100mtr, the line was still twisted.  So its not a matter of having fish on the line, as I don't believe Albies take that much off my reels, before I start applying the drag pressure.  At the most, on hook up,  I calculate 180-220mtrs of line out.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 19:14:00 CET »

seafox what you are saying is valid, however only for spinning reels, for conventional reels it is irrelevant!! in fact it is supposed to be one of the best advantages of conventional reels that the line the line doesn't have to turn at 90 degrees to get spooled.

i dont think i can help gaffer, cnt immagine how it happened!! could it be that you left the spool spin on the floor while spooling the reel??

an easy way how to remove the line twists it to release all the line from the reel at sea while driving the boat and leave it for say 15minutes.  the result after this sould be line free from any twists.  however don't tie anything to the far end (e.g. a lure) as this would prevent the line from unwinding.  I carry out this procedure a lot when trolling with a spinning reel
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 19:10:39 CET »

Ganni - after a season I always find out that most of the line on my "conventional reels" are somewhat in a twist too. Why does this happen to my 7 or 8 reels I do not know and it appears that Gaffer has the same problem. This reminds me ....Some years ago I used to tie one end of a 400met x.70mm line to my car bumper and "walk" the whole line out and have it "zdunat", i.e pulled really hard for several times with half a broom stick from the other end then wound on the spool. Of course one has to find quite a long deserted coast line to do such a thing!!
This traditioanl method produced good results and not much twisting was experienced for a few years....but then I gave up on the "zdunar" cos it was too time consuming and 2 guys are needed to load the reel.
Twisting of fishing lines is not "irrelevant" or impossible on conventional reels, agreed that there are no 90 deg corners but for some reason it does happen.
I was stupid not to ask the very professional amateurs, who I fished with in the Pacific, why their twisted "real expensive" lines (mibrumin) in conventional reels had to be removed and reloaded with fresh mono every couple of days. Had I been inquisitive we would definately be closer to an answer.
Freedive could have found the answer and I beleive he is correct = lots of big fish on the working line results in pressure on the inner "unused" line. Joe you must have caught countless huge fish that you have not told us about..hehe
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 20:31:21 CET »

@ Seafox

obviously line twists too in a conventional reel.  However i said that it was irrelevant for the following:

"Line twist develops because as the line comes straight towards the reel it has to turn sidewards in order to load onto the spool. It is mechanically impossible for a line to turn through a right angle without twisting."

The above is the reason why line twists in a spinning reel and not in a conventional reel!!

I have looked in some other forums and haven't found any answer for your problem gaffer  Undecided

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 17:12:16 CET »

another point could be is that the swievels we use, even the best ones on the market, do not give 100% satisfaction thus resulting in line twisting. another could be that when you reel your line onto the reel, the line first settles on the line below it, then falls into a gap, thus rotating 90 deg.... maybe..... :-S
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 08:35:15 CET »

As much care we take to spool our reels, twist is unavoidable, but can be kept to a minimum.
One thing l do after each trip on the 'run' back to port is to let out 100 - 150 meters of line into the sea for about 15 minutes while trevelling. Make sure you don't have any rigs or leaders on off coarse.
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