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« on: August 01, 2007, 15:28:51 CET »

Hi Guys,

Have been going fishing with 'forok' for kahli regulary for past month (July).

This year as opposed to last year, seems much better. Kahli size is much nicer (average is 500g) and even quantity (caught a max of 6 in a 2 and half hour spree). The bigger ones take the 'forka' down a few meters too!

Any others noted the same?

We go around St. Paul's Islands.

Ken
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007, 17:21:54 CET »

any tips on fishing for them as i have never tried fishing for themPeople have told me there a real cunning fish and hard to catch
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2007, 15:27:10 CET »

'Forok' are basically floats (usually painted white) made of cork with 2 or 3 hooks attached to short pieces of line.

You hook up bread (original Maltese loaf - not the fluffy one the real one which is kinda a bit 'gummy') to the hooks (usually size 3 or 4).

You use a boat to drop a number of these (usually around 15 or more) in specific spots, together with handfuls of bread crumbs previously mixed with a bit of water as berley. Then you drive off and switch off the engine. When you see one is caught you go pick it up with the 'kop' which can be kinda tricky.

Time of day and specific spots are very important. Thats what I can contribute about it.  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 16:11:15 CET »

Who told you that it is cunning and hard to catch was not lying mate.

I have only fished for them from the shore - you need very light tackle or else there'll be no biting at all. An important thing is that the sea is very rough - you must find an area where the sea is foaming and fish right there; if you bait the area well they will move in very close to the shore. But getting them to bite is another story.

You may also try fishing for them by using a reel rod; use dried bread rolls (bziezen), cut them into pieces 4 to 5 cms long and wrap the roll in a line with about 6 to 8 hooks in it - make sure that the hooks are well hidden in the bread and that you are using light tackle. Cast out and let it drift; when small mullets will start nibbling the bread, saddled sea bream will become interested if it is anywhere close. The problem with this method is that if you will not notice that a fish has taken the hook (even if a small mullet) it will act like a psycho and scare all the other fish.

Good luck
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2007, 14:13:45 CET »

i have found Korean Worms to be an excellent bait for bigger kahli. i tried it several times with success
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 13:01:18 CET »

no you can get an indication whether the fish hooked or not... try to notice any splashes of fish when they bite it as usually when you hook a fish the others get scared. in that case reel it in hard and having some ground bait would help as the fish tend to follow the hooked fish
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 22:01:38 CET »

don't know if this is effective but my friend told me he used to fish for kahli with cheddar cheese from the shore. you have to be very calm since this is a very stunning fish.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 22:16:14 CET »

Maggots are very good for kahli!!
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 23:10:38 CET »

Such fish are cunning but once you get used to methods they are very easy to catch!

it's true that this year was very good for saddled breams (kahli). I got big catches of average (30's and more) from my boat using saltwater flies which i get from EBAY at ridiculous prices.

fishing from kahli from shore does not need light tackle. you need a short rod of about 5mtrs and fish with monos of 0.25 - 0.28mms. Sometimes i use 0.20 but 0.25 is ideal.

you need to be very cunning and learn the correct methods as there are many various tricks.

the condition of the sea plays an important part. Also you need to know the places where this fish hangs around (not easy as such places are nearly all the time taken by keen kahlija fisherman)

you also need to pay attention of how to groundbait the area - lot of groundbait may keep the fish away since it is carried away by the swell.

it is important that you see the breams in a frenzy of biting before you try to fish or else it keeps away!

there are many other tricks which you can learn from old fisherman about the school of fishing the saddled bream. Just go and notice...learn...notice and learn....... this is a never ending story about this fish! It takes whole years to learn fishing the elusive saddled bream especially from shores!
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 23:14:51 CET »

but if you have a boat the simplest way is trolling with small 5cm lures or with worm like rubber lures.3 knots is a good speed for kahli {saddled bream}.i used to go with forok as well and it is fun but trolling is more productive i think
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 07:23:12 CET »

at the moment the sea is full with them. Yesturday went with a friend of mine to check a hole cos af a nice grouper. Just 10 mtr away from this hole I started seeing all these kahli geting in and out. Went down to check the hole and saw a doven inside, and when I looked back there was hundreds of them, all over 10 inch, and shoot on a nice 1 in the hole of 12 inch

We didn t had lures for them and they where on a bottom of 15-18 mtr deep. Had the gps point maybe we give a try
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2008, 19:59:44 CET »

how do i prepare the line on my reel if i want to try to fish for kahli for example weight, line thickness, hooks, beacuase i have always cought with a normal rod 8 mtrs but would like to start using the reel scince its much more comfortable.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2008, 20:08:05 CET »

Xtajn try to use a light action rod between 3-4 meters long small reel filled with 0.16-0.20 mono with the running float system.The float should be between 4-7gr depends on the place you want to fish.The terminal should be between 0.12-0.14 and the hook depends on the size of the fish.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2008, 20:14:57 CET »

will try it out thanks for the advice..
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2008, 21:21:49 CET »

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