Lampuki Season 2011

[fisheye]

geekorgy, if your boat is an S registration don't risk it! Last month I got booked on 2 occasions in that area for going beyond the 12nm! Patrol boats (especially the P22) seem to patrol that area daily.

Just for curiosity did you had a VHF on board when they booked you?

[benri]

Yes I did. I was booked for exceeding the 12nm limit. I was approx 13.5nm out

[placebo]

if you go by the fishfarms it is enough for decent lampuki at this time ..... do not travel too far

[makku]

how mhuc is the fine for exceeding the limit of 12 nm

[shanook]

@bigboy... u are perfectly right I got my inbuilt bearings mixed up..........well my battery is running low after 59 years eh urs is still in tiptop condition............:)P

[bigboy]

i was nearly there ehhhhhh, i usually find huirdsbank with the gps cursor then press navigate to and there goes the outopilot   so i do not really uise the bearings to find it

[geekorgy]

Yes I did. I was booked for exceeding the 12nm limit. I was approx 13.5nm out

oh, i thought this 12nm rule was only about the captains boat license not about the boat registration.

i recently did my maltese nautical license test, and it was explained that it allows me (the licensee) to go no further than 12nm from land, but no mention of the vessel.

i just assumed that if i had a high degree of license i could then go wherever i want ... as long as the boat was in condition and equipped to do so safely ...

so what exactly did they fine you for, your boat being the wrong registrations for exceeding 12nm or your license being wrong ?

on a side note i have a friend who has a 60 foot luxury cruiser and he goes to sicily etc no problem, and i think he has a S registration ... though now i am not sure! its definitely not MFA anyway, in which case, what are the other maltese registration classes ? i was only aware of MFA, S.

[fisheye]

Yes I did. I was booked for exceeding the 12nm limit. I was approx 13.5nm out

I also was stopped by the patrol boat this summer while being some 15 knm out, they asked for the VHF and took particulars and asked us to head towards land. Maybe they were in a good mood than.  

@geekorgy in this link you might find some answers for your questions I think very useful

http://www.smemalta.com/downloads/Opri%20tal-Bahar.pdf

[The_Gaffer]

@Geekorgy:  This is what the regulations stipulate.

All vessels over 6 mtrs and either registered MFA, MFB or MFC must also be registered with Transport Malta's small ships registrar 'Valletta'.  All the above vessels are allowed to conduct fishing activites in the 25Nmile Malta territorial fishing zone and over

All vessels under 6mtr may also be registered as MFA, MFB and MFC, however, they are not allowed to venture beyond the 12 Nmile Malta territorial waters limit.

All Vessels over 6mtr (E.g. Yachts, cabin cruisers, ect,) may opt to register either with the Small Ships registrar, thus gaining the advantage of going beyond the 12Nmile zone
OR
Register as 'S' and thus are limited to the 12 Nmile zone, irrispective of size.


Classification of vessels:
MFA - Full time commercial fishing vessel
MFB - Part Time commercial fishing vessel
MFC - Recreational fishing vessel (fishing is restricted to recreational activities, no surface long lines, no nets, etc)

VALLETTA - TM small ships regristry for vessels over 6mtr in length- vessels are allowed to go beyond the 12 Kmile malta territorial zone

'S' Registration - Vessel is only allowed to navigate inside the 12 Nmile zone irrispective of size, make and model.

Your nautical licence has nothing to do with vessel registration.  Your nautical licence covers you to skipper vessels used for recreational activites that are powered by engines over 30HP.

Captains who skipper vessels registered for commercial use (e.g harbour cruise vessels, tug boats, fishing charters, ect) must be in posession of a Yacht Masters Certificate before they can skipper such vessels.   

Hope this clarifies any misconceptions that exist.

[benri]

@fisheye - I was stopped first time same as you but believe me your particulars were taken and they'll recognise you the second time

[geekorgy]

@Geekorgy:  This is what the regulations stipulate.

All vessels over 6 mtrs and either registered MFA, MFB or MFC must also be registered with Transport Malta's small ships registrar 'Valletta'.  All the above vessels are allowed to conduct fishing activites in the 25Nmile Malta territorial fishing zone and over

All vessels under 6mtr may also be registered as MFA, MFB and MFC, however, they are not allowed to venture beyond the 12 Nmile Malta territorial waters limit.

All Vessels over 6mtr (E.g. Yachts, cabin cruisers, ect,) may opt to register either with the Small Ships registrar, thus gaining the advantage of going beyond the 12Nmile zone
OR
Register as 'S' and thus are limited to the 12 Nmile zone, irrispective of size.


Classification of vessels:
MFA - Full time commercial fishing vessel
MFB - Part Time commercial fishing vessel
MFC - Recreational fishing vessel (fishing is restricted to recreational activities, no surface long lines, no nets, etc)

VALLETTA - TM small ships regristry for vessels over 6mtr in length- vessels are allowed to go beyond the 12 Kmile malta territorial zone

'S' Registration - Vessel is only allowed to navigate inside the 12 Nmile zone irrispective of size, make and model.

Your nautical licence has nothing to do with vessel registration.  Your nautical licence covers you to skipper vessels used for recreational activites that are powered by engines over 30HP.

Captains who skipper vessels registered for commercial use (e.g harbour cruise vessels, tug boats, fishing charters, ect) must be in posession of a Yacht Masters Certificate before they can skipper such vessels.   

Hope this clarifies any misconceptions that exist.

Wow, now thats informative, thanks very much!

Well, my boat is over 6 meters, but i have just the maltese nautical license, so to legally go further i guess i need to;
- obtain an MFC registration (i suppose this is just a formality ?)
- obtain a yachtmaster cert (which i will be doing for next summer)

thanks again for the info!

[Granitu]

i assure you its not a formality

it is a hethic beurocratic process!

[The_Gaffer]

I'm sorry to disapoint you Geekorgy, but you misunderstood my post.  You say you have a boat which is over 6 Mtrs.  My question to you is:
Under what registration classification is your boat licenced?

If its an 'S' registration, they you need to get it registered with the small ships regisrar under 'VALLETTA'.  You do not require an MFC licence to go beyond the Kmile territorial limit.

If on the other hand your boat is already registered as 'Valletta' then you havve no problem

Again, may I stress that your personal nautical licence has nothing to do with the limit you are allowed to go beyond territorial waters.  In this case, it's boat size and type of registration of vessel that matters.

[geekorgy]

I'm sorry to disapoint you Geekorgy, but you misunderstood my post.  You say you have a boat which is over 6 Mtrs.  My question to you is:
Under what registration classification is your boat licenced?

If its an 'S' registration, they you need to get it registered with the small ships regisrar under 'VALLETTA'.  You do not require an MFC licence to go beyond the Kmile territorial limit.

If on the other hand your boat is already registered as 'Valletta' then you havve no problem

Again, may I stress that your personal nautical licence has nothing to do with the limit you are allowed to go beyond territorial waters.  In this case, it's boat size and type of registration of vessel that matters.

ahh i see, yes okay understood!

thankyou very much that makes sense

[savioursajdbis]

jien gbajd najdlek kif tarafom lol