Hi Guys,
Al li jista jkun awn xi ligi li ma tistax tiparkja it trailer ? ax smajt li il gimgha lohra qalaw ic citazjonijiet min hala it trailer fit triq fejn il moll ta buggiba.fejn ikun hemm hafna trailers iparkjati fil parking spaces.thanks
Hazin.........
Il-karrijiet kienu imwahhlin mal vetturi jew le?
Jista jkun ghax ma thallix in-number plate imwahhal mal karru?
Ara min ser ihallih wahdu hemm ehh!!!
Hazin ta vera !!!! jekk ma tipparkjax hemm fejn ? tmur taht il wardija fl ghelieqi jew!!!! Pero l Imsida hemm tabella e biex ma jipparkjawx trailers.
Iva harget ligi gdida li ma tistax thalli it trailers iparkjat wara il karozza. Bugibba u ix xemxija zgur ax il karozzi li kellhom it trailer warajhom kolla kellhom citazjoni il bierah. Ma nafx jekk postijiet ohra hux ukoll hekk imma ha tkun problema al min mandux il garaxx hdejn il bahar.
Wied il ghajn ukoll max xatt ma tistax tiparkja trailers u hemm it tabelli. Allura kullhadd jipparakja jew wara il klabb tal bocci jew f xi triq li m hemmx tabelli. Jekk m hemmx tabelli mhux sippost taqla citazjonijiet. Kieku jiena indur dawra mat triq l ewwel biex nara jekk hemmx tabelli . Gieli ma tindunax ghax jew ikunu il boghod min xulxin jew inkelli ikun hemm xi friegha tas sigar jghatuwa.
We are not allowed to park trailers at Marsascala front niether but there is signs up also. So everyone parks elswhere either in a street where there is no signs or just next to the bowling club. I would drive up the road where you will be parking to make sure there is no signs along that road. As sometimes you do not see the signs either because they are place too far apart or covered by an overgrown tree.
Jista xi hadd jajdilna fejn ha thalli l karru meta tnizzel d dajsa. ara veru ma nifilhux naqaw izjed ac cajt. l ewwel misshom ghamlu post fejn jithallew l karrijit imbad jaghmlu dawn l ligijit.
i checked with local police station and they confirmed it is illegal!
i can not believe such things ...... it is really becoming weird now
issa namlu fil panties il karru ;D ma hallew lil hadd jihu pjacir. kacca xejn karru xejn mela drogi issa :P
mux hekk biss. nohrog al kwiet u nispicca bil helicopter idur fuqi, nohrog mal hbieb u nidhol wahdi x'qed jigri ajd ??? tajba fishfinder ;D u nispicca indahhaq fuq it television u il gazzetti kolla :P
Did anyone speak to ADT?
to my knowledge there are no signs depicting trailers can't park. On the other hand why is there a slipway then, if trailers can't be parked in the vicinity!! As everyone knows it is next to impossible to park in the side streets of SPB/Bugibba!
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This was a long swear word........... >:(
This government is getting intollerable.......
What can we do!! Nothing as usuall............. Pay pay pay
Just called at Qawra and St. Paul's Police offices.
The two officers that I spoke to told me that they are not giving any citations. They told me that as long as you do not park on yellow line or if there aren't any no parking signs, then you do nothing wrong, then he added as I did, that there should be the number plate on the trailer all the time. He also told me that he saw traffic officers with motorbikes giving citations....
I am now trying to call Police Headquarters to speak to traffic registry but after half an hour calling I have to give up. That's an impossible task... :-\
Can someone who got this contravention speak!!! and tell us what is written..... The charge!!!!!!!
these are probably local council bylaws.its them one should give a call.they have put alot of no parking signs lately which the adt has declared illegal!
Just contacted Mr William Vella at Local Council St Paul's Bay and said that it is not a ByLaw but a new Law from the Police.
Still trying to get the LN number and trying to call police.
Today 3/8/10 at 1:30 at succeeded in contacting Inspector Tonna at Police Depot. He was very helpful in briefly detailing me that this is a law that has been there for ages, but nowadays is being enforced due to the continuous complaints re: parking problems received by residents. No trailor and only vehicles driven by motor can be left parked in the road, if not in places made for this purpose. A boat can only be towed by a motor vehicle, but then the trailor has to be taken back in the garage...
This is ridiculous................................Malta PAJJIZ Tal-MICKEY MOUSE.
There is nothing to do unless you apply for some spaces for trailers with Transport Malta or Local Council. (That is what I was told)
Live happily in Malta...................
Can someone who got this contravention detail the law written in it.....!!
As usual a totally wrong approach. Rather than first providing a place to leave trailers and then creating and enforcing the law, they simply state no more trailers to be parked on the road and tough luck.
Sadly Transport Malta Marine Section who are now responsible are simply not paying enough attention to the needs of boaters around Malta and Gozo. What amazes me is that they make boat owners pay over the odds: (examples: €100 per year for an average S registered boat UK £25 for 5 years, €50 to get a callsign UK £0, €50 to get an MMSI number UK £0) and so on and so forth. To be honest it's time for everyone involved in the boat industry (dealers, chandlers, mechanics, electricians and all supporting areas and owners) to stand up and voice their viewpoints. The government makes a lot of money through direct and indirect taxation in addition to TM's direct charging of boat owners that due priority should be given to creating things like places to keep your trailer near a slipway.
I think most of us will also agree that aside from there being a total lack of space to keep your boat moored in the water, the majority of the slipways all need to have money spent on them to bring them up to scratch.
(P.S. Sorry for switching to English, perhaps someone can translate)
i did propose to stand up a few months ago but,out of the 1600+ members not even one gave a positive feedback.
us maltese are a bunch of "im allright and f... you jack"!
Unless you can rally all stakeholders together you won't get anywhere Caldaland. Only a small percentage of those 1600+ have boats and from those even less who launch and recover their boat each time during the summer months. Like most things it boils down to being able to dedicate the time and resources to fighting these issues.
Legal notice 179 states that trailers can be parked as long as they follow the said regulations i.e as for vehicles.When a person was fined at marsascala (there werent the sign at that time) the said person contested the fine at the courts in Valletta and he won. I do not know if the law has been changed but boat trailers have permission (extra no plate etc ) and more over they will not be covered by insurance if the trailer is stolen if it is not fixed to the vehicle. I think its another way of getting ripped off . Boaters are the begining of a new witch hunt and motorist will follow. Marsascala local council started this and when they erected the signs without TM permission they fined LM 30 when LN 179 stated Lm 10 at that time. At that time i took the matter with the mayor, ADT, PL who represents the local council and even I even took the matter with a EU member of parliment at that time based on discrimination against boaters but he came back as this is a national issue. From that day onwards i looked up for a place to moor the boat and boycotted Mscala for good where possible.
How stupid (patata kbar) can they be. Imagine launch leave the boat moored to the peer take the trailer to the garage about 30mins or more drive back.Pier occupied by boats for hours on end. Get back and repeat. The gallows pole should be introduced for these people.Sorry for being hard but i am feed up living in a stupid prison.
it is not only boaters that are going to get it. all amateur fishermen are going to be skinned alive!
this is all absurd and unbelievable. In my opinion it's only a way for more revenue to the government!
ghandikun sar investiment qawwi f moorings u yacht marinas hux...
u ija dik sakemm tghaddi l foga imbad l puluzija jikkalmaw.. l wirdien l aghar....
l ahjar nifthu post ta postijiet fejn tista tvara bla ma taqla citazzjoni....
Din l ligi qeda al Malta u Ghawdex kollu jew f dawk l postijit li jidecidi l kunsill ta dak l post u iwahhal t tabelli ?
Jekk jghamlu hekk il Gnejna x jigri tajd?
Ma jistax ikun jin nermih ic citazzjoni kiku
Jew inkella toqod tfadalom kolla umbad tmur tinpostahomlom u tahlilom bicca ta ittra tajba mahom
Nahseb li hafna tpacpic kollu ghal xejn.
Min irid jista jibda jahseb x'jista jsir mela hafna bla bla..
Sorry english:
We have to see what to not not speak uselessly.
This is Maltese Law, and therefore is has not limitations to any place or excuse. This was never enforced, and now it is.. No matter what you do, you still have to pay the fee, as you all do when it comes to renewal with your cars.
Like gnejna and some other places there are some parkings available for trailers. We can write to TM or Local Council alltogether to push an issue.
Otherwise keep paying.
I am as frustrated as much as you are guys, I have no pontoon or else!
Jin man pacpac xej baghira ax il karru hemm han halih mela inkun purcinell ta dan il gvern jew xisejhulu insomma...fej tridni nitfaw tejd nerqu hdej ic chicken?
Nahseb ahjar tiraguna int jew amel li trid kulhadd jamel kif jahseb li lahjar alih bhekk ma ikonnix argumenti
Ma tistax lapsi ghax kif tmur thallas il-licenzja tal-karozza ma jgrduwilekx u maghhom tehel il-multi.
Biex ittella(kunsill lokali) s-signs mat-toroq ma tistax tamilhom minajr prmess tal-ADT.
Li nahse l-ahjar taghmlu dawk li ghandhom dghajsa thallu number plate mal-karru meta tkun ipparkjati ghax jekk ma jkunx hemm in-number jista jwahlilkhom citazjoni u jkollu ragun.
Althought his is a forum and is open to anybody's opinion, this is all useless talking.
Everyone will do same as you and leave the trailor there, including me, what can you do!!!!
But we will still receve the fine, and we will have to pay, so please grow up, and try to be usefull.
If someone wants to do something, please write letters and phone and complaint to TM or Local Councils.
Nobody of them will be reading this thread to see what your problem is, unless he is in the same problem as we are.
Biex thali in number mhux problema....il problema jekk jibqax hemm sakemm tohrog u terga tithol
If you leave the number plate with the trailor, you will still be fined 100% sure, cause I asked Police Inspector Tonna + you will not find it.
Pero in-number plate skond il-ligi jrid ikun mal-karru.Fejn hemm tabelli li ma tistax tipparkja bil-karru warajk ikun saru mil-kunsill bil-barka tal-ADT u jekk mhux bil-barka tal-ADT tista tikuntesta u tirbaha.Jien qed nghidilkhom milli naf hbieb.Il-problema hawn Malta hi li l-ewwel ihallu kollox ghaddej imbad f'daqqa wahda jisikaw ic-cintorin u bla konsultazjoni ma hadd.
u jekk jihduwulek x taghmel spitec? taf number plate tista tintuza ghal serqa u? da x xol hu li ghal naqa sajd tista tidhol f dawn r riskji?
dan normalment ikun mwahhal mad dawl tal karozza ghal indicators u ekk,, u perez li m hawnx hallelin, anqas ssibu garanzija.....
bis serq l hawn u puluzija li ma jatux kas das serq nippreferi citazzjoni imbad ta..... jw invara minn post li ma jersqux l emm
U R 100% right spitec.
Jew taqla l-karru u thallih wahdu, u hekk zgur ma jkunux jafu ta' min hu.
Il-problema jekk jisirqulek il-karru :-\
jew jittowjawulek il-police :-X
kieku minnek ma nikunsidrax baghira...
jin ghadni kemm ghamilt l arm tar rota ta quddiem gdida ukoll kien emm proxxmu prova jzarmaha bi spanner... incidentalment fettili naghmel bicca arm zghira biex nghaddi l katina minnha u qata qalbu....
tafdaw xejn bid dghajjes u karrijiet ghax hawn mewga ta hallelin dilettanti.
this is what birzebbuga local council says:
Dear Sir,
The law prohibits trailers to be parked alongside the road, it is a contravention. The trailer should be garaged.
Regards,
Maria Galea
Executive Sec.
Birzebbuga Local Council
Granitu naf li jisirquh.Jien qed nghidlek il-ligi mhux li hu sewwa.Jien ma naqbilx mahha pero l-ligijiet maltin hekk huma.
@placebo saqsih il-ligi min ghamila jekk hux il-kunsill jew il-gvern pls?
i wrote back to ask for details in which law or legal notice there is information guidelines about such an issue. In the meantime i emailed also ADT marine section and ADT transport section to check about this issue.
this is very worrying .... how can i leave my boat unattended by the sea while driving to put the trailer back in garage!
this is not an option .... we are a member state in Europe and we can not tolerate such things. All other countries have facilities where one can put the trailer while out in water or at sea.
I hope that some other forum members email about this worrying situation to authorities. And also boat manufacturers should help in this issue.
i think that by e-mailing as individuals we will resolve nothing. they won't even acknowledge the e-mail. maybe this forum administrators can speak with the administrators of the Malta boating forum and with the boat builders and outboard importers which are nearly all sponsors of this forum and can tackle this issue as one group to make more pressure on the authorities.
At this time the administration of the forum maybe a bit busy because of the Porto Rotondo competition but when they come back they can consider this suggestion.
That's why i said what i said before baghira because in malta you will never get it right ..
It's all one whole business, they make it almost impossible to obide by the law and then go around giving out citasions which = $$ ..It's all business !!
So what do i do assuming im from rabat and go to gnejna .. leave the boat on it's own while i go with the trailer to rabat! RIDICULOUS
just been talking with 2 friends regards buying 3 new boats. If this issue goes so bad for sure we don t buy boats to leave in garages
Quote from: placebo on August 04, 2010, 21:52:11 CET
i wrote back to ask for details in which law or legal notice there is information guidelines about such an issue. In the meantime i emailed also ADT marine section and ADT transport section to check about this issue.
this is very worrying .... how can i leave my boat unattended by the sea while driving to put the trailer back in garage!
this is not an option .... we are a member state in Europe and we can not tolerate such things. All other countries have facilities where one can put the trailer while out in water or at sea.
I hope that some other forum members email about this worrying situation to authorities. And also boat manufacturers should help in this issue.
jin ada ha niktbilhom... imma billi jin cittadin malti ha naghmel bhal hafna shabi maltin dak weekend, nikser il ligi u nigi ala ghajni. tajd mux ha noqod nistenna jibdlu l ligi jewww......
ndumu nistennew kiku.,...
Mhux alekk ghed nejdilkom hbieb...ahna il maltin marufin li noqodu ghal hafna affarijiet imma umbad din !..Id delizzju tana nghid ghalija wihed mir ragunijiet li nghix umbad jigi jejdlek hekk..ma taraxxxx
Hbieb il-qerda tad delizju tal kacca ghadda u issa li heles minnom se jdur ghalina dal **** gvern !!!
Bilmoghod il mod nistghu nghidulu bye bye is sajd !!
trailer wahedhom ma jistux joqghodu fit triq mhux mal karozzi nafa jien. Jekk ikun wahdu l aqas l insurance ta tkoprik. Skont ma nafa jien tista thalli it trailer mal karozza parkjat skond il ligi. kien hemm kaz il qorti hu dan l individwu rebha. Jafu li ma tamiliex sens thalli id daghjsa waheda biex tipparkja il karru xi 10 mili il bod. jekk ma irridux jifmu mela niftehmu kollha w ma nhallsux il licenzji tad daghjsa u il karrijiet nehduhomm kollha quddiem TM. w nipprottestaw ma EU.
Quote from: Destination Sea on August 05, 2010, 17:26:12 CET
trailer wahedhom ma jistux joqghodu fit triq mhux mal karozzi nafa jien. Jekk ikun wahdu l aqas l insurance ta tkoprik. Skont ma nafa jien tista thalli it trailer mal karozza parkjat skond il ligi. kien hemm kaz il qorti hu dan l individwu rebha. Jafu li ma tamiliex sens thalli id daghjsa waheda biex tipparkja il karru xi 10 mili il bod. jekk ma irridux jifmu mela niftehmu kollha w ma nhallsux il licenzji tad daghjsa u il karrijiet nehduhomm kollha quddiem TM. w nipprottestaw ma EU.
nkun onest ma tantx hi realistika- probablita li emm tehel citazzjoni u l image hazina li taw lil kaccaturi nehduwha ahna ukoll
- iktar effetiva tgheddidhom bil vot - u mhux thassru, ttihom garanzija li ha tivvota kontra u tara kemm jirrangaw malajr. Perswaz li hawn hafna nies jghixu ghas sajd, tmissilhom s sajd jaslu juzaw l vot favur d delizzju taghhom- u hemm jibzaw ghalina serrhu raskhom- imbad bil vot kulhadd jaghmel fattih imma l massa taghmel effett qawwi
jin lest li niktbilhom jekk din s sitwazzjoni tippersisti
The issue does not concern me directly in the sense that I do not trail boats but it is very very serious and something definitely needs to be done about it.
Many of today's small outboard powered craft are intended for trailering - many owners of such craft will effectively be unable to use their boat after having spent several thousand euros (and paid vat and registration) for their boat. Similarly orders and sales of new boats will definitely decrease since only those having a mooring or some sort of garage/boathouse close to the sea will buy/order new boats.
Imagine living at Rabat as lapsiboy stated in a previous post and launching from Gnejna. If going fishing by yourself you will need to leave the boat unattended somewhere (where?). Even if more than one and somebody can stay with the boat, it is till impractical - Imagine Rabat to Gnejna to launch the boat, back to Rabat to put the trailer in the garage and then back to Gnejna to go fishing. Then the same to go back - A total of 6 trips from Rabat to Gnejna or the other way round - obviously ridiculous and not practical.
we must do something immediately ........
today i contact local council (birzebbuga) again and they confirmed it's against the law but does not know the legislation number. I tried to search myself for this legislation but did not succeed.
I contact local police station and they said it is okay to park but when i told them that local council said it is a contravention .... then they told me that tomorrow they will check again!
Can anyone get the legislation?
You have a vote, so you have a voice, I dont know who runs the local authorities in Malta but whether its local councillor or local MP they are acessible & ACCOUNTABLE to their constituents. Get around to their offices, surgeries, or whatever they call them out there & start banging the table.
You know what local politicians are like, they haven't got a clue what their constituents want, until somebody starts banging on their desk, then they take that back to the debating chamber & speak against it (otherwise you will bang their desk again).
We have the same problems over here employed OFFICERS come up with some new idea & put it forward to council for debate, & if the councillors know nothing about the subject (which is normal) then they support the idea, its only when somebody bangs their table that they actually look into it & find out that its a crap idea after all! >:(
I have contacted the Police and they confirmed that some Local Councils have issued byelaws to this regard. St Paul's Bay and Marsaskala local councils including all their underlying localities have done so for sure. Therefore yes parking the trailer behind a car in these localities is considered an offence!
Well you are lucky in one way, you are a small island & if you start making an issue of this it wont take long for EVERYBODY to know about it! I bet that everybody in Malta has a relative, or knows somebody, who has a boat, therefore most boat owners have supporters in their corner before they start.
Using this forum to start the campaign to get this stupid bye-law removed should be a first move, stickers in car windows saying "ABOLISH THE BOAT TRAILER BYE-LAW" or something similar will bring it to the attention of people who dont own boats, but who will see it quite rightly, as action against your civil liberties.
Its absolutely ludicrous that you should have to trail your boat from home, then leave it at a slipway unattended :o while you drive all the way home to park the trailer, then drive back to the slipway again, then do it all in reverse when you come back! Think of the extra fuel used, the pollution caused, the problems of obstructed slipways, the increase in stealing from the unattended boats (or the boats themselves) ridiculous!
I will be disappointed if you dont "run" with this one lads, what next, the blocking of slipways because all boats are on moorings? This would be met with an uproar over here, & most people in the UK dont know anybody who owns a boat, but as an action against civil liberties even the "Gay & Lesbian Liberation Group" would support the actions taken by trailboat owners! ::)
Hi Nichol, as this may directly affect your business area if people stop buying trailerable boats or trailers in general as they are not allowed to leave them parked near the slipway, how about spearheading the formation of an association that includes companies like yours, marine chandlers, and boat owners to help rally and get this issue dealt with.
Whilst i understand that taking up all the parking spaces on the road with trailers isn't ideal, each council must first provide a suitable storage area near to their main slipways first, even if storing your trailer for the day is against a small charge to help cover the costs.
Can you imagine the mayhem in the morning and evening with 30-40 boats all on top of each other near the Bugibba slipway waiting as someone goes to get the trailer from a garage 10-15 minutes way!
you have reached transport malta ..... please wait all lines are busy ........
Come on alltogether.
We have to do something...
Moving those great big boats off the area on top of the Burzebuggia slip would give enough room for a load of trailers to be parked, how long have they been stuck there? its things like that which should be put to the councils, the top of the Marsascala slipway (by the cafes) is used as an overspill car park when the street is full of cars! This is typical "council overkill" go get em boys!!! :D
i've managed to reach prime minister's office with my complaint ...... we'll see how this ends!
please phone and put more pressure ... local councils, ADT etc......
Adrian's on a roll, go get em boy! :D & make sure you rattle everybody else's cage & get them to complain as well, threaten to vote for the opposition at the next election if they dont listen, that usually focuses their attention! :o
Quote from: placebo on August 05, 2010, 20:53:12 CET
we must do something immediately ........
today i contact local council (birzebbuga) again and they confirmed it's against the law but does not know the legislation number. I tried to search myself for this legislation but did not succeed.
I contact local police station and they said it is okay to park but when i told them that local council said it is a contravention .... then they told me that tomorrow they will check again!
Can anyone get the legislation?
If not mistaken is LN179 motor vehicle ordinance which states its ok. There is even a court case favour of the trailer owner. Only "sole" trailers are considered as a nusance. B Bugia local council pls note.
When mcala put these signs up a few years ago i spent about 9 months trying to fight this . solo of course. I took the matter with ADT local council sent a letter to alfred Sant as it was a PL council ,EU menber of parliment on the basis stated above by other members plus that of discremination etc but i was alone. Now its another thing. Although not directly in the cross fire , i may be some day plus stupid...rules are an insult to my inteligence..
yes i am on a big roll! i'm totally fed up of living in this place actually ....
i know many friends of mine who are police members and own a boat!
i just wonder what they will be doing about this ....
and i know how this works in malta ....... if i get a contravention it's like impossible to go away with it! while other people who know friends and have good contacts just have their contraventions erased ......
i'm gonna fight this one till the end! infact today i already spent much more than paying this contravention in phone calls and mobile calls!
i just want to get this right ...... and i urge many more of you to keep on calling police stations and other govmt departments (although when calling depts there you discover the efficiency of customer service in our beloved Malta)
just try to call ADT and you'll see ........ their number is 25608000 ......
keep bombarding them and leave messages after the tone so we'll put on pressure.
dil gimgha baghat hafna mails fuq din il kwistjoni u hadd ma wiegeb. jekk ahna ma nistawx niparkjaw it trailers tad dajsa jien nifhiema li anqas it trailers taz zwiemel li jkun hemm iparkati biex idawru it turisti ma jistaw jiparkjaw, mela ghaliex ma ninaqdux kolla fdaqa ahna,taz zwiemel etc... u nghamlu xi haga.
i paid a visit tday at transport malta since it is very near to work
funnily they asked me why all this concern since it's been ages in the law.
when i enquired with a local lawyer at work, they did conceade is unfair and most probably, on the basis of unreasonableness, the court case prevails. it is an instance in law where a court rulings prevails over a legal notice. therefore whoever was fined- appeal it!!!!!
so whoever is fined, battle it to the end. on the groud of unreasonableness, any fine is likely to be rejected- even if there is a sign. its useless to provide a slipway for boats and provide no parking space.
guys, remember we have a vote every 5 years. let's show them that we can use it to preserve our hobby. they wanted all this, im sure that nowadays every vote counts.
About the vote thing be carefull granitu..
You forgot what happened to the hunters just before the ellection they all got a letter stating that they will still be allowed to hunt...look what happened to the hunters now....
Quote from: LapsiBoy on August 07, 2010, 02:40:15 CET
About the vote thing be carefull granitu..
You forgot what happened to the hunters just before the ellection they all got a letter stating that they will still be allowed to hunt...look what happened to the hunters now....
Yes and look at the majority by which the government was elected,approx 1000 votes coincidence?!! nope!
i bet anything i've got that our beloved goverment would play the part of the savior and make us register the trailers,with an added license of course! but first things first,before that, he will collect a few fines! only then we can park the trailers.
http://www.maltamediaonline.com/?p=28666
This is a very good joke i must say...
MAWX XI HADD MIN DAL L*** GVERN ED JARAHA DIL POST???????????????
Issa nibda nihdu id dar il karru wara li invara..ija mela arani sejjer
lapsi you fool the mouse once not twice ;)
jekk ghawn xi hadd li jithajjar iwaqqaf pressure group please count me in. Fin-numri hemm il-forza. Jekk inkunu numru kbir wiehed ikun jista jiehu parriri legali f'isem il-group.
If someone is interested in forming a pressure group please count me in. I believe that the more we are the better. One can than try to get some legal advice and act accordingly.
everytime it gets interesting the language changes, I GIVE UP. >:( >:( >:(
to-day i was speaking with one who got a ticket from bugibba. on the ticket there was written with a pen ' Trailer ' since on the contravention ticket there is no such contravention printed and there was no reference to any legal notice number.
So it must be a big lie when the authorities said to some forum members that it is an old law and only now they are enforcing it. if it is an old law it would have been printed on the contravention ticket.
This is getting really interesting. Why not speak to TV programs such as xarabank or Bondi plus?
why not favorite channel and 1 TV
already reported to favourite .... i've sent information also to other stations but it looks like not much important for them at the moment ..... or maybe it's the weekend and nobody is working.
i suggest more people phone local councils .... ADT ...... police stations ..... tv stations ,,,, the more we expose this issue the more we have chance that people simpatize with us asa this looks a very silly decision.
i've also been in contact with prime ministers office with a person who owns a boat like we do.....
he promised me to give me more info in comning days
we'll see next week
Anyone knows if any more fines where issued? This morning I saw trailers parked as usual along the roadside in areas where last week where issuing fines.
myfrien got one from birzebugia 110 euros
when was that?
I confirm.
Hes sent him an sms in front of me..........
Hell of 110 euro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just succeeded to call TM.
I was told that they are not responsible and they cannot understand why I am calling them!!!
They told me that I have to call the local Council concerned, and then if the local council finds it necessary, they have to apply with TM.
Contact person SUSANNA BONELLO. Traffic Management.
I called at St.Paul's Bay Local Council this morning, they said that as long as everything is order i.e No.Plate attached to trailer , both trailer and vehicle parked correctly, no fines will be given.
Now THAT sounds like it could be the important part of this problem, how many people remove their lighting boards from the trailer & put them in their car once they have launched their boats?
It will be interesting to find out if only the vehicle NUMBER needs to be on the trailer, or does it have to have the lights, vehicle number etc still on it to be legal. In the UK the vehicle number is supposed to be attached to a trailer parked on a public road
(nobody seems to take any notice) but it is supposed to be to be legal.
Check with the Councils & see what each Council requires, then comply with that, at least you will then have a facts list to put to TM about who wants what, & if there are any differences ask why? ;)
Hi Blueskip, I m sure local council referred to No.Plates , i doubt you will find the lighting board still attached to the vehicle after a day out at sea... could be very tempting for others to just unplug it and steal it !! but at least it's a start! was getting quiet worried to be honest.... with the rising cost of fuel , having a boat , even a small can become a luxury if you have to launch everytime you want to enjoy a day out fishing!
i am not sure if the parking of trailers which is prohibited is a long-term one i.e. if i take my boat using a road trailer and park it whilst i am at sea, and then use the trailer to take it back, i do not think that is an offence. however, yes, i agree that road trailers should not be left parked outside unless the boat is being used: they occupy parking space, and are not exactly nice to look at. i do have a small boat and keep the trailer in a private premises.
Article 79 of the MOTOR VEHICLES REGULATIONS (Legal Notice 128 of 1994, as amended subsequently) issued under the Traffic Regulation Ordinance (Chapter 65 of the Laws of Malta) states that:
No person shall, unless otherwise directed by a Police officer or a local warden, park or leave unattended any motor vehicle or trailer -
(a) within 12 metres on each side of any bus stop or fare stage, unless official road markings or traffic signs indicate otherwise;
(b) around a traffic roundabout or a traffic island;
(c) on, or within 4 metres of, a pedestrian crossing, from the side of the oncoming traffic, unless a build-out exists;
(d) on the footpath unless road signage directs otherwise
(e) in any place where appropriate road markings stipulated by the Traffic Signs and Carriageway Marking Regulations indicate that parking is
prohibited;
(f) in such a manner as to obstruct the passage of a car which is properly parked, or
(g) within 5 metres of any corner, bend or splay:
Provided that in the case of a bend or splay, the 5 rnetre limit referred to in paragraph (e) shall be measured from the point of intersection of the extended building alignment on each of the two streets forming such bend or splay:
Provided further that where the appropriate road markings indicated in Part IID(f)(13) of the Traffic Signs and Carriageway Markings Regulations on a particular street corner, bend or splay do not extend to the prescribed 5 metre limit, the said prohibition shall likewise not extend to the full 5 metres and shall be limited to the distance covered by the said road markings.
Bil-Malti:
Hadd ma ghandu, hlief jekk ma jigix ordnat jaghmel xort'ohra minn uffi`jal tal-Pulizija njew minn gwardjan lokali, jipparkja jew jhalli wahedha xi vettura bil-mutur jew trailer –
(a) matul 12-il metru minn kull naha ta' xi bus stop jew fare stage, sakemm is-sinjali jew marki ufficjali tat-triq ma jkunux juru xort'ohra;
(b) madwar roundabout tat-traffiku jew traffic island;
(c) fuq, jew matul 4 metri minn, post ta' qsim ghallpedestrians, minn naha li minnha jkun gej it-traffiku, sakemm ma jkunx hemm bankina sporguta 'l barra;
(d) fuq il-bankina sakemm ma jkunx indikat xort'ohra b'sinjal adatt;
(e) f'kull post fejn sinjali proprji tat-triq kif indikati fir- Regolamenti dwar is-Sinjali tat-Traffiku u l-Marki tal- Karreggata jkunu juru li ma jistax isir ipparkjar;
(f) b'mod li jfixkel il-passagg ta' vettura li tkun ipparkjata sewwa; jew
(g) matul 5 metri minn kantuniera, liwja jew splay:
Izda fil-kaz ta' liwja jew splay, il-5 metri msemmija fil- paragrafu(e) ghandhom jitkejlu minn fejn il-linji jaqsmu lil xulxin fl-all injament estiztenti tal-bini fuq kull naha taz-zewg toroq li jiffurmaw dik il-liwja jew splay:
Izda wkoll fejn is-sinjali tat-triq indikati fit-Taqsima IID(f)(13) tar-Regolamenti dwar is-Sinjali tat-Traffiku u l-Marki tal-Karreggata, f 'kantuniera, liwja jew splay ta' xi triq partikolari ma jes tendux ghal - l imi tu ta' hames met ri stipulat i , dik il-projbizzjoni ma ghandhiex bl-istess mod tkun testendi ghall-hames metri shah u ghandha tkun limitata ghad-distanza koperta mill-imsemmija sinjali tat-triq.
I agree with you 100% Sg, you find a lot of slips occupied with trailers and left there for a whole season...but as you mentioned it is not fair on us who enjoy their boats once or twice a week and this only for a few hours. It is up to the individual at the end to respect the law and make sure to park both vehicles and trailers correctly. Case in point was a couple of weeks ago, i launche my boat from B'bugia and I parked my car/trailer 10 mins walking distance from the slip but at least i didnt have to go all the way up to mosta again to leave the trailer in the garage!
As for gnejna , the local council should enforce the law and make sure that the slip way is clear from vehicles / trailers and swimmers as it's a nightmare during the summer. On one occasion it was used even as a campsite and we couldn't even launch the boat properly!!
Ghaziz Sur ......
Minkejja li jezistu xi postijiet fejn huwa projbiet li thalli l-karru
hdejn il-bahhar, gewwa Birzebbuga tista' thalli l-karru hdejn il-bahar.
Madankollu, fil-futur, il-kunsill lokali jista' jorog xi bye-law li
tipprojbixxi dan ... izda ghalissa huwa permess li thalli l-karru hdejn
il-bahar.
Tislijiet,
Maria Giuliana Fenech
Information Officer
Department of Information
Publishing Unit
Tel: 2200 1793
E-mail: maria-giuliana.fenech@gov.mt
www.doi.gov.mt
this can be kept as reference and those who got a ticket from Birzebbuga may use it as reference to contest ...........
I hope you get "justice" on this issue but it may come at a price! ::) In UK where I live parking for your trailer & vehicle is usually "reserved" but at a price, which is usually about 8-12 euro. "Free" slipways are practically unheard of especially where I live in Wales, but at least once you have launched you have somewhere to leave your vehicle & trailer, (sometimes still attached).
The slipway we used in Burzibbuga when I launched with Placebo would cost you about 10 euro, but you would get a launch & recovery, & you would park your vehicle & trailer in that area at the top of the slipway, where all those boats are stored on blocks, by the looks of it that was its intention when the place was built, but it has been "annexed" by "knowing" boat owners & it might be difficult to find out the history of it.
However if somebody COULD find out what that area at the top of the slipway was constructed for, & it wasn't for storing "antique" hulks, maybe it could be the answer to Burzi's trailer parking problems, & if you own one of the "museum pieces" at the top of the slip, tough! ::)
do you pay 8-12 euros per boat outing?
the law i quoted does applies the same rules for trailers as for normal cars. of course, maybe there is some other legislation which i have not yet traced. however, i also went through the legal notices (www.doi.gov.mt) published in 2010, which should also include local council bye laws, and I did not find anything. Perhaps the administrator can ask the warden system (local enforcement system) on helpline@les.gov.mt
today i had all the replies from departments i phoned on Friday ..... as i told you maybe it was the weekend and all were on their boats like i did!
Still looking a bit confusing ..... the secretary from Birzebbuga council still saying it's illegal ....... DOI told me ok as i posted above ....
I'm gonna keep fishing and boating as normal ..... after all it's lampuki time and i wanna enjoy!
I will be keeping the DOI email as a reference then we'll see ......
Some more rules on trailers:
Article 92 of the quoted Motor Vehicles Regulations (MVR):
Every trailer exceeding 100 kg. unladen shall be equipped with a brake operating on at least two wheels in the case of a trailer with not more than four wheels and on four wheels in the case of trailers having more than four wheels.
Article 97 MVR:
Obligatory lights: in the case of a loaded trailer, the lights on such trailer shall be two at the rear bottom of the trailer (one on each side thereof) and two at the rear top of the load (one on each side thereof).
These lamps shall in the case of the front lamps emit forward a white or yellow light or such other light as may be approved by the Authority and in the case of the rear lamp exhibit a red light to a reasonable distance in the reverse direction.
Guys just called honorary secrertary at Local council St. Pauls. Mr John camilleri.
This issue started at Mellieha.
Contraventions are still being issued.
He was promised by Police inspector at depot that these will refrain from issuing contraventions but they did not care and went on.
He sent an e-mail to A/C Baileys but he did not reply back.
Please send e-mails to police at cmru.police@gov.mt
since that they are still giving contraventions.
@sg - Those rules seem more oriented towards cargo trailers not boat trailers.
the MVR defines a trailer as "any wheeled vehicle without mechanical power of its own, designed to be drawn by a motor vehicle for the purpose of carrying persons or goods".
Quote from: placebo on August 09, 2010, 19:33:46 CET
do you pay 8-12 euros per boat outing?
Yes Adrian £6.50 at Mumbles, Swansea for launch (3hrs either side of high water), then parking of boat & trailer in a car park at the top of the slipway.
£10 to launch & park vehicle & trailer at car park at the top of the slipway (launch at all states of the tide)
I reckon that at the current exchange rate thats about 8-12 euros per boat outing on top of your fuel, not cheap this boating with fuel at £1.25 ltr (1.5 euro ltr)
Small Boating in the UK has been described as "standing under a cold shower ripping up £10 notes" not too far off an accurate description!
do not give any new ideas about more payments and taxes! At 10 euros per launch i would become bankrupt in short time.
today someone in a prominent position, working in one of the head depts. just adviced me to kill the issue and make no fuss of it anymore.
Actually this is how things go in our country .....
this is like what happened with minimum sizes of fish regulations!
the less we mention the more things stay the same.
Was that GOOD advice? in that if you keep quiet perhaps it will go away? or was it BAD advice meaning that they wanted no opposition? ???
I am always suspicious when "somebody in a prominent position" gives me advice, that usually means that our "representatives" have made a decision not on behalf of their constituents, but despite them! >:(
no more comments ............... topic closed for me!
happy fishing
Quote from: sg on August 09, 2010, 20:42:06 CET
the law i quoted does applies the same rules for trailers as for normal cars. of course, maybe there is some other legislation which i have not yet traced. however, i also went through the legal notices (www.doi.gov.mt) published in 2010, which should also include local council bye laws, and I did not find anything. Perhaps the administrator can ask the warden system (local enforcement system) on helpline@les.gov.mt
Thanks Sg your correct as far as i know.
So can we get some conclusions?
If you park car and trailer (attached) in a parking space where there are no "No trailer" signs you should not be fined right?
And does the number plate need to be attached to the trailer too if the trailer is attached to the car?
I did as much research in contacting all authorities concerned.
Yesterday i sent my complaint letter to Police,TM,DOI,and all local councils in the vicinity of the coast.
Received an acknowledgement from police till now.
Police are still enforcing this.
As I stated earlier. You cannot park no matter what. The police made it clear that you have to take back the trailer in the garage, and this makes not sense. I don't give up easy so I will pursue this matter. Not having lights and no. plate attached to trailor is another infringment, in fact some got fined 60euro only for the trailor parked in the road, and others 110euro.
I do not want to pay any fines.
From: Silvio Grixti
To: cmru.police@gov.mt ; susanna.bonello@transport.gov.mt ; info.doi@gov.mt ; birzebbuga.lc@gov.mt ; marsascala.lc@gov.mt ; marsaxlokk.lc@gov.mt ; mgarr.lc@gov.mt ; mellieha.lc@gov.mt ; sanpawlil-bahar.lc@gov.mt
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:36 PM
Subject: Boat Trailers
To whom it may concern.
A number of contraventions are lately being issued by The Police Traffic Control Section, where it regards boat trailers being parked in the streets. This was confirmed by various boat owners, and by Police Inspector at Police Headquarters. I was told that this is an old Law which was never enforced, but now it is, due to the complaints emerging from Local Councils.
I am also a boat owner, and lately I am leaving my boat garaged due to fear of being fined. I pay regularly my Insurance, road license, and the registration of the third no. plate, and still I cannot make use of my boat, since the fine charged is half a week's wage.
What makes this situation intolerable and unreasonable it that there is no way possible to act in accordance with regulations.
Malta is full of slipways, so where is one supposed to Park the boat trailer? Maybe in an area suitably provided for this purpose. But where is this? I was told that the trailer shout be put back in the garage, so imagine on Sunday driving all the way from Dingli to Bugibba, leaving the boat unattended at sea, and going all the way to Dingli to park my trailer, and same again in the evening, whilst another 40 boats are doing the same.
I already contacted TM, Local Councils, Police Districts and Headquarters, but nobody came up with a solution.
May whoever Manages Traffic on this island, come up with a solution before summer is gone.
Regards
Silvio Grixti.
If you read the law I quoted above, you will understand that you should treat the trailer as a normal car, I do not see where the difficulty is. However, since I could always be wrong, perhaps someone might care to write a letter to a newspaper: the Police or whoever is concerned will usually reply.
Hello everyone,
Can anybody tell me what is the situationon regarding what we should do with the trailer when we go with the boat, cause I think that this regulation is extremly stupid ??? ???
Guys, I think its about time the MFF took this up officially with the appropriate authorities. What do you think Nick?
There are certainly lots of things going on at the moment, MEPA, this topic and Fisheries issues - unfortunately as Skip you'll have to count me out until November as I won't have the time until them.
Mr Grixti,
Reference is hereby being made to your email below as well as Mellieha Local Council's reply. For further clarification about the mentioned laws and contraventions kindly contact the Traffic Branch via Tel No : 21 224001-9.
Regards,
WPS 101 Roberta Grima
CMRU
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From: Mellieha Local Council at DLG
Sent: Sat 14/08/2010 22:10
To: 'Silvio Grixti'; CMRU at POLICE; Bonello Susanna at Transport; Info DOI at OPM; Birzebbuga Local Council at DLG; marsascala.lc@gov.mt; Marsaxlokk Local Council at DLG; Mgarr Local Council at DLG; San Pawl il-Bahar Local Council at DLG
Subject: RE: Boat Trailers
Ref: X/1/5
Dear Mr Grixti,
I am to inform you that the Mellieha Local Council has introduced an arrangement, whereby one can park boat trailers towed to a vehicle for a limited number of hours. However, this arrangement does not apply to boat owners having holiday homes within the locality who will be using their boat during their three month stay. In such cases, it is advisable that the boat is kept moored and the trailer returned to the ordinary residence of its owner, or garaged.
Regards,
Carmel Debono
Executive Secretary
ola..................
you see, that sometimes when you complain the way one should, you get it right... :D
yes baghira but do the police and wardens who are giving the parking tickets know that you can park the trailer for a certain number of hours.
What matters is that I have this reply.
baghira i must correct ur statement....Quote 'What matters is that I have this reply.' unquote
thecorretion is ''ALL MFF members have this reply"
thanks Silv well done............
CORRECT SHANOOK.
THAT'S WHY I POSTED IT HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE MUST DO, ACTN NOT BLA BLA BLA
Well done baghira.
Now you can forward this to Birzebbuga council too :)
is-sens komun u l-altruwizmu jitlob illi jekk ghandek trailer thallih hdejn il-bahar biss jekk qed tuzah biex tnizzel u ttella wara ftit sieghat. jekk id-dghajsa se thalliha fil-bahar e.g. ma' xi baga, it-trailer erga' hudu f'postu. ruxxmata trailers li jaghmlu granet hdejn il-bahar jiehdu spazju ta' parkegg u jkerrhu.
meta ikollok trailer tajjeb mhux ser thallih ghal granet shah wahdu ipparkjat ghax malajr irabbi is saqajn flok roti......ftit sighajt ma tamilx sens ghax meta nohorgu ghal lampuki naghmlu gurnata fuq il bahar mill 5am sal 10pm.
jien varajt minn bugibba il bierah...hallejt il plate mal karru u ma sibtx problemi....anke d dawl f postu baqa :D
Already posted earlier and you can use for Birzebbuga parking:
Quote from: placebo on August 09, 2010, 17:02:21 CET
Ghaziz Sur ......
Minkejja li jezistu xi postijiet fejn huwa projbiet li thalli l-karru
hdejn il-bahhar, gewwa Birzebbuga tista' thalli l-karru hdejn il-bahar.
Madankollu, fil-futur, il-kunsill lokali jista' jorog xi bye-law li
tipprojbixxi dan ... izda ghalissa huwa permess li thalli l-karru hdejn
il-bahar.
Tislijiet,
Maria Giuliana Fenech
Information Officer
Department of Information
Publishing Unit
Tel: 2200 1793
E-mail: maria-giuliana.fenech@gov.mt
www.doi.gov.mt
this can be kept as reference and those who got a ticket from Birzebbuga may use it as reference to contest ...........
@shanook: mill-5 a.m. sal-10 p.m. ma nahsibx li ghandha tkun problema: inti fil-kaz ghamel karta mat-trailer "OUT FISHING!" jew "QED NISTAD"!
well done hbieb. is sens komun xi kultant jitla fil wicc ;D
sorry to be a party pooper but,i would not open the champagne yet! bet theres more to it than meets the eye!
you are right caldaland ....... even i'm not impressed with such emails.
I will have a meeting tomorrow with OPM administration and will inform you how it goes!
So far i'm still getting my boat as usual and in such a case I will use the email stated.
In the meantime fingers crossed ...... my boat will be on sale if i do not get this right
It will not be worth any more going out at sea!
nirrepeti li l-ahjar haga hija li xi hadd jikteb ittra fil-gazzetti, normalment jirrispondu ghaliha b'mod ufficjali.
I ve not heard of any fines lately.
Do not challenge authorities. I know how their reactions are.
today they phoned me from OPM and told me that we're not doing any infringments.
Let's kill the issue guys ...... and if someone from here (member) gets a fine then we'll see.
i got another call this evening ..... from Prime ministers office and who wants to take this as official now listen .....
A hard working man (who does not want to say his name) working in OPM did a hell of a job today.
he told me:
around 20 contraventions were issued to date but all had been contested and reversed.
he was in contact with police HQ and arrangements have been done so that no more fines will be issued this summer.
However they still have to make it official with wardens and local police stations, but promised me that this week all should be clear.
No one wants to make this in writing as the law is so vague that no one wants to put his name on it however he promised me that no more fines for summer, however they will be looking and revising the law in coming winter.
So at this stage i think we should team up and make ourselves present when discussing such law!
In the meantime I think and re-suggest that we should stop the (Usual Maltese) grumbling and enjoy our sports.
Whoever gets a ticket may mssg me and i give him this person's details so that he helps him out.
I'm not very happy how it is going as it looks very much (the maltese) way, but at least we are being heard.
So ....... go fishing and park your trailer as usual. Keep in mind ... no double lines, no in front of garages etc etc .......
the most important thing and I have learnt a lot from this thing is - do not take much notice of people grumbling and grumbling. Just stick to facts ...... lets enjoy our boating and if someone really gets a contravention then we will see and tackle accordingly
Well done Nelson :)
Prosit placebo.
I think we both did a good job.
That's how it's done.
Well done guys, you both put in a lot of time and dedication, raising awareness and putting pressure on various authorities.
Well done....good work by both......