Need some tips guys please

mellieha · March 30, 2009, 12:46:09 CET

As some might remember I had asked information about a speargun.
Finally it arrived and I tried it Saturday.

I managed 2 sicc decently sized.

1). I have the problem ot tying the not to the spear. Can someone kindlt tell me how to tie it not to interfer with the shot.

2). I tied the speargun to the floating device but due to the wind i had the floating device always to my side therefor it was sort of in the way.

Can someone please help me. Can't wait for thursday

Thanks

Adrian

Seahunter · March 30, 2009, 13:02:36 CET

Normally we don't tie the speargun with anything, so if you need to leave it down there, or you have to leave it quickly, you won't have any interference.
The bouy is noramlly to a lead which can be attached to the belt while snorkelling, and detached and anchored before diving.

fabrizioviper · March 30, 2009, 15:13:24 CET

Usualy when you buy a speargun it is supplied with nylon thats not good to use, creates drag, you have to buy xlief and cumbaturi you now what i mean? about tying the marker bouy to your gun its not good neither ,it interfiers on aiming well. use a clip to your weight belt , i keep a small lead under the belt which i anchor the bouy with, when i need to explore better the area, it even helps in poor vis not to loose the spot.

mellieha · March 30, 2009, 15:33:21 CET

To be honest I found that the nylon was interfering so I quickly used xlief but I had the problem that the xlief was not 'Stirata' so saturday I had to idobba.

Regarding the xlief what diameter would you recommend?

And as what regards the float I will try as you pointed out.
Thanks for all those helping

Adrian

fabrizioviper · March 30, 2009, 16:59:44 CET

personaly i prefer quit a thick xlief , i think its a 2mm . the thinner it is less drag you have , but i prefer it a bit thick , so that i can use strength on pulling the spear from under rocks , or on extracting a grouper etc.

mellieha · March 30, 2009, 18:29:53 CET

Fabrizio,

I will try it with the xlief then.

I am thinking of adding a reel as it is more confortable. How much xlief would you recommend? I till now dive till 10 meters maybe 15 not more so I think 8 or 10 meters are enough but I would appreciate comments or suggestions.

I have a comment to pass with you. I am a 110kg 'grouper' walking being and I used 6 kg of weight and I fould it difficult to keep bouyant. Next time I will add an other 2 kg but am I doing right adding all that weight?

Thanks

Adrian

fabrizioviper · March 30, 2009, 19:07:13 CET

no the xlief you have to use is about 3 times the lenght of the spear , than change to nylon or dukron in your reel , usually 50mts is enough . as regards the weight for ex i am 96kls and use 9kls in winter, when i change to 3mm suit i use 4 kls only in summer.

markcam · March 31, 2009, 10:22:35 CET

at this time of year with a 5 mm suite I use 9-10 kg for dives up to 10mt. 6 kg of weight is not enough.

SPNOTTA · March 31, 2009, 10:48:32 CET

Quote from: markcam on March 31, 2009, 10:22:35 CET
at this time of year with a 5 mm suite I use 9-10 kg for dives up to 10mt. 6 kg of weight is not enough.

Actually one has to take into consideration :
The thickness of the wetsuit
The type of neoprene- macro, micro celled and various other types.
The respective weight and fat content

The above are the main factors that contribute to buoyancy.
Most important of all is the expected hunting depths. As a general rule of thumb, for safety reasons and better perfomance it is better to adjust the lead weight to the hunting depths. Thus, many spearos adjust the weight in order to be neutrally buoyant at 2/3 to 3/4 their max hunting depth. This is generic and different individuals go for different setups.

Thus one can never say that Xkg is too few or too many.

Regarding nylon...after much experimenting I found black nylon from Mister Fish and tied it 3-5mts to the spearshaft...then I tied the respective black nylon to about 30m (wound in reel) of the brown line used in long lines.

As for the reel, there are many on the market. Personally I found the sporasub very good value for money... refer to pic for the two types of nylon used and sporasub reel.

markcam · March 31, 2009, 15:21:50 CET

couldnt have said it better spnotta.

ciappinu · March 31, 2009, 15:55:45 CET

I personally don't agree with tying the buoy your belt, or else if you do, use a quick cut line such as a 30mm line which you can easily cut with a soft pull.

Experience tells me not to tie myself to anything when in the sea, either because a line can get stuck on a rock while coming back up, or a boat can come between you and the buoy.

fabrizioviper · March 31, 2009, 16:56:50 CET

Very good explanation spnotta. When keeping the marker bouy line with your
weight belt be sure you have a clip that you can count on.

Safe wise its always better to anchor the bouy whenever making a dive , or you can pass the lead on your line to your buddy , in such a way he is always on the look out.

shanook · March 31, 2009, 20:26:38 CET

The initial question of tying the spear, as to what type of knot to use and how it will look. Any picture is welcome.

mellieha · April 01, 2009, 11:11:57 CET

Guys,

Thanks for the help but I need some more if I may.

I am currently diving to a maximum of 10 meters as I am majorly on the look out for sicc.

I dived yesterday with a 5 mm suit and used 8 kg of weight but I still feel the need for more I will add a further 2 kg tomorrow and see how it goes.

Regarding the spear I am finding various small problems.
1.) I am not using a reel for now. I hope to be able to manage without it since it adds another variable to my set up. I think it is better to learn without it and then add it once I feel better.
2.) I am finding the biggest problem the way to tie the spear to the gun. The whole set up so as not to interfer with the shot.
3.) I am using a using a 3 pointed froxna at the moment and not the single point 'bullet'. I know this reduces accuracy but it sort of makes me feel better before I take a shot since it increases the area covered. I know that the single point is beter and I finally intend to be fishing with it but I need practise.loads of it.

Regarding the bouy. I used a weight and passed it round the belt but I still found it uncomfortable especcially when I dived or took sharp turns. Does this happen to everyone?

In Thanking You for all your help

Mellieha
Adrian

mellieha · April 01, 2009, 11:28:42 CET

Bdw. 2hrs in freezing waters and came up empty handed.

I cannot spot the sicc in the day.(well it was 13.00)

I sam 2 small groupers and 1 small dott. I am proud ot them as I never saw in the place I was.

Hope some stupid will not try them out. They were smaller than an average painted comber.

Mellieha