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debono4761 · August 09, 2012, 16:09:15 CET

Quote from: Pauline Tuna on August 09, 2012, 12:07:01 CET
Debono....ma nafx intiex qed tghix fdinja...pero nies bhalek juru bic car illi mohhok fin nies......meta jkolok l-informazzjoni cara u korretta xgara fil festa ta tonn ejja bwiccek bil quddiem u ghid il verita xkienet - nghidlek biss illi artiklu ta times kellu jigi irrangat ax ma kienx hemm dikjarazzjoniet tajbin min naha ta tagging u min naha ta konsum legali.....issa wasal zmien li ahna id deltanti nqumu naqa fuq tghana ax daqt johdulna l hwejjeg li lebsin....ekk jonqos ukoll tithol ghaqda privata awn gew u ser tibda timmolla ukoll xinhu tajjeb u xinhu le, ghalina deltanti......qedin seww ta vera....

Nixtieqek tghidli l-verita mela ta xgara u ma garax jekk joghgobok! It-tonn kien min tas-sajjieda zghar u maqbud ligalment? Jew tal-farms? jew illegali?

Naqbel mieghek 100 % li misskom tibdew titkellmu dwar il-problemi li tiffacjaw! Imma nassigurak jekk qed tghid li huma f4t li qedin jippruvaw jeqirdu s-sajd tghakhom vera ma taf xejn.

lazyfisherman · August 09, 2012, 17:42:46 CET

Bhala F4t huwa tajjeb li tkunu tafu li s-sajd li jaghmlu l-bicca l-kbira ta d-dilettanti jaqbel hafna mal-messaagg li qed tippruvaw twasslu intom dwar sajd aktar sostenibbli. Fejn tidhol il-kwistjoni tal festa tat-tonn nahseb hawn mhux il post fejn tista tiehu risposta ezatta.

Is-sajd tad-dilettant huwa kwazi kollu sostenibbli - l-ewwel haga ghal kull ewro li nonfqu fid-delizzju taghna (u nonfqu hafna, hafna aktar milli wiehed jista jahseb) naqbdu hafna u hafna anqas min sajjied professjonali. Il-metodi li nistaghdu bihom ahna wehidhom jillimitaw hafna il-qbid li nistghu naghmlu - ahna ma nuzawx xbieki, pariti, konzijiet twal etc izda nuzaw biss qasab, xolfa, forok, bi ftit snanar

It-tieni haga il-ftit li naqbdu normalment jigi kkunsmat mil-familji taghna. Il parti l-kbira tal qbid taghna huwa l-istess hut li qed tippromovu intom u li hafna minnu ma tantx jimxi fis-suq - sirran, tumbrell, kavalli, xi plamtu, xi pagella, kahli, vopi, sawrell etc. Ahna la naqbdu tonn u lanqas pixxispad - forsi xi whud milll-aktar dilettanti li huma armati tajjeb u jmorru ghall-alungi (huta ohra mhux tas-suq) jafu forsi jaqbdu wiehed fi stagun - u dan huwa inkluz fil kwota nazzjonali tat-tonn allura lanqas dawn ma qed jiehdu xejn ta hadd.

Nista naccertak li din il-bicca li qed jonqos it- tonn u l-pixxispad ma ghandu x'jaqsam xejn mad-dilettant. Niftakar li meta kont zghir (issa ilu ftit zmien mhux hazin) kien jinqabad u jinbieh tonn zghir ta xi kilo jew tnejn (tunnagg) fi zmien il-lampuki, u anke xi dilettanti kienu jaqbu xi ftit - u qatt ma kien hemm issues dwar sostenibilta. Is-sajd mhux sostenibbli tat-tonn bdiet aktar recentement min sajd bla razan fil Mediterran (minn sajjieda Spanjoli, Francizi, Taljani, Tunezini etc) biex jissodisfa s-suq Gappuniz.

Ghalhekk din l-issue tat tonn u l-festival tat-tonn ma ghandha x'taqsam xejn mad-dilettant. Zgur li mhux tonn li qbadna ahna kien! Ghalhekk li hawn ma nahsibx li hu il-post ideali biex tista issir taf aktar mnejn gie dak it-tonn li nbiegh fil-festival. Ovvjament feel free biex tippostja hawn kull meta jkollok bzonn - izda hawnhekk dilettanti ser issib u mhux sajjieda professjonali!

debono4761 · August 09, 2012, 18:36:32 CET

Quote from: lazyfisherman on August 09, 2012, 17:42:46 CET
Bhala F4t huwa tajjeb li tkunu tafu li s-sajd li jaghmlu l-bicca l-kbira ta d-dilettanti jaqbel hafna mal-messaagg li qed tippruvaw twasslu intom dwar sajd aktar sostenibbli. Fejn tidhol il-kwistjoni tal festa tat-tonn nahseb hawn mhux post id-diskussjoni

Is-sajd tad-dilettant huwa kwazi kollu sostenibbli - l-ewwel haga ghal kull ewro li nonfqu fid-delizzju taghna (u nonfqu hafna, hafna aktar milli wiehed jista jahseb) naqbdu hafna u hafna anqas min sajjied professjonali. Il-metodi li nistaghdu bihom ahna wehidhom jillimitaw hafna il-qbid li nistghu naghmlu - ahna ma nuzawx xbieki, pariti, konzijiet twal etc izda nuzaw biss qasab, xolfa, forok, bi ftit snanar

It-tieni haga il-ftit li naqbdu normalment jigi kkunsmat mil-familji taghna. Il parti l-kbira tal qbid taghna huwa l-istess hut li qed tippromovu intom u li hafna minnu ma tantx jimxi fis-suq - sirran, tumbrell, kavalli, xi plamtu, xi pagella, kahli, vopi, sawrell etc. Ahna la naqbdu tonn u lanqas pixxispad - forsi xi whud milll-aktar dilettanti li huma armati tajjeb u jmorru ghall-alungi (huta ohra mhux tas-suq) jafu forsi jaqbdu wiehed fi stagun - u dan huwa inkluz fil kwota nazzjonali tat-tonn allura lanqas dawn ma qed jiehdu xejn ta hadd.

Nista naccertak li din il-bicca li qed jonqos it- tonn u l-pixxispad ma ghandu x'jaqsam xejn mad-dilettant. Niftakar li meta kont zghir (issa ilu ftit zmien mhux hazin) kien jinqabad u jinbieh tonn zghir ta xi kilo jew tnejn (tunnagg) fi zmien il-lampuki, u anke xi dilettanti kienu jaqbu xi ftit - u qatt ma kien hemm issues dwar sostenibilta. Is-sajd mhux sostenibbli tat-tonn bdiet aktar recentement min sajd bla razan fil Mediterran (minn sajjieda Spanjoli, Francizi, Taljani, Tunezini etc) biex jissodisfa s-suq Gappuniz.

Ghalhekk din l-issue tat tonn u l-festival tat-tonn ma ghandha x'taqsam xejn mad-dilettant. Zgur li mhux tonn li qbadna ahna kien! Ghalhekk li hawn ma tantx hu il-post ideali biex issir taf aktar mnejn gie dak it-tonn li nbiegh fil-festival. Feel free biex tippostja hawn meta jkollok bzonn - izda hawnhekk dilettanti ser issib u mhux sajjieda professjonali!

Grazzi tal-ispjegazzjoni tajba. Qadt ma kelli l-ebda dubju li tamlu inthom mhuwiex sostennibli. Dak kont cert minnhu mal-ewwel darba li bdejt naqra dal-forum u nara r-rittratti. Napprezza li l-festa tat-tonn forsi man ghandiex taqsam mal-delizju tghakhom - xtaqt nara jekk ghandkomx opinjoni dwar il-bicca u daqshekk.

shanook · August 09, 2012, 19:20:10 CET

ma nafx ghaliex il Malti malli ma jaqbilx ma xi haga flok jistarrax u jifli dak li jkun qied jinghad johrog qatta bla habel fuq dak li jkun. Kull haga li ghanda xtaqsam mal hut u sajd ghanda posta hawn. issa jekk xi hadd ihossu naqra imbarazzat fuq xi haga jew ohra ghandu jiehu pacenzja imma li membru bhali ta dan il forum jiddeciedi jekk ghandux jig diskuss hawn jew le nahseb li dak jarah l'Amministratur. L'Aktar li nistaw naghmlu hu li nirrapurtaw imbad jiddeciedi l'Amministratur.

I am going to translate for Nicks sake:
I cant understand why the Maltese as soon as we dont agree with something, instead of researching and looking into the matter, we go all out against the individual. Any subject that has anything to do with fish or fishing has its place here. Now if someone feels uncomfortable about what is being said he should try to keep cool, but a member should never decide whether the topic should be discussed here or not, that is the job of the Administrator. The max we can do is report it and then the Administration will decide.

caldaland · August 09, 2012, 19:38:35 CET

naqbel perfettament ma shanook.m'hemm xejn hazin li niddiskutu dak kollu li jiffettwana.

lazyfisherman · August 09, 2012, 20:05:24 CET

Dazgur li ma hemm xejn hazin li tiddiskuti - anzi tajjeb hafna. Infatti ppruvajt nispjega ftit xi aspetti tad-delizzju taghna ghal Debono4761. Kull ma ridt nghid hu li minn dan il-forum difficli tkun taf ezatt mnejn origina t-tonn li nbiegh fil festival. Dak kollox. Skuzawni jekk stajt niftiehem hazin - irrangajt xi zewg kelmiet mil post - nispera li issa aktar car.

Of course there is nothing wrong in discussing - on the contrary it is very healthy. In fact I tried to explain some aspects of our pastime for Debono4761. All I wanted to stress is that from our forum it is unlikely that he can get to know exactly where the tuna sold in the tuna festival originated. That's all. Sorry if I was not clear enough. I have modified a couple of words in my post - hopefully it is now more clear.

caldaland · August 09, 2012, 20:12:59 CET

and we lived happily ever after lol.

The_Gaffer · August 10, 2012, 08:14:16 CET

Qaghad insegwi il-kummenti generali f'dan it-thread. Jidher li hemm hafna passjoni fil-kummenti. Jien inkun fuq il-bahar ta spiss. Nara hafna sajjieda specjalment dilettanti, igawdu l-passatemp tahhom ghal kwiet. Dawn narhom kemm minn fuq xi qoxra tal-bahar, u kemm mill-art. Bhala dilettant, laqatni l-kumment iktar il-fuq kif ahna, bhala dilettanti, nonfqu gelgul ta euros biex issostnu l-passatemp taghna. Minn hu dilettant mis-sajd fuq il-bahar, jaf x'jien nghid. Nixtru qoxra tal-bahar, mutur, fuel, irkaptu tas-sajd. kieku dawk il-flus investejniehom, kieku ghanda biex nixtru hut ghal ommorna kollha. Ahna dak id-delizzju taghna.
Sfortunatament, id-dinja u ta madwarna mhux post l-idealismu. Hija dinja reali hafna li nghixu fija, fejn is-sinjur ikompli jistanha, il-politikant xi kultant jithammeg, u l-NGOs joholmu li jibdlu kollox kif jaqbel lilhom. L-affarijiet, ghal inqas mill lenti tieghi ta 50 sena, ma jimxux hekk.
Wisq nibza li hawn hafna interressi jigbdu lejn xawwathom...