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[Granitu]

Granitu..stajt tibenefika min quota ghal qbid tat tonn, allokata lilna deltanti MFC ta 1500 kg li kienet mifruxa fost hafna deletanti...kellek cans tapplika...lahwa noqodu attenti kif nparlaw awn gew !!...ax nwaqaw il gebla fuq saqajna.....
@ Debono....jien naqbel mal fatt li intom tridu tipromovu affarijiet sbieh ghad deletant..pero nsaqsi....jekk intom minthomx ntizi fdan is settur u ghad tridu titghalmu...ghal issa ma jaqbilx tghamlu posts biex tqajmu kontroversji...il punt tieghi huwa li bizzejed ghanna min itambrilna fuq rasna minhabba affairijiet li jikoncernaw lilna...il ligijiet ghalina diletanti jinfuenzawna hafna...nzidu ukoll li il fuel ghad dajjes tghana huwa ferm gholi u dejjem jghola...voldieri kull haga ta kuntrarju narawa kerha fuqna diltentanti....nghidlek biss illi il fisheries jikontrollaw dan is settur sewwa wisq, u mhux lilna diletanti biss pero onka fuq skala proffesjonali fejn naf bic cert li l-moniteracc taghhom u l-implementazzjoni tal ligi hija mharsa sewwa u hemm min wehel multi kbar u fil kas ta kumoaniji ta tonn tharbu ukoll tonn li jkun hajj u li l-kwoti taghom gej maqbuza...dan sar taht control ta IICAT u taht kontroll ta ufficjali governattivi.
@ il kelma 'SOSTENIBLI' li intom tirepetu u sostnu hafna fuqha..nibza li mux qed tkunu cari bizzejed fuqha...nibza li min karta ghal realta u ghal pratika kif nghamlu ahna diltenati tfisser hafna...tfisser bópinjoni diversa...li lquddiem jitresqu emendi, jew proposti li jista jkun hadd ma jiehu gost bijhom......
Debono....jien dilettant u sajd huwa hajti....pero nghidlek biss li ghaqdiet ghawn hafna, kwazi kull pajjis ghandu ghaqda tas sajd u onka tnejn....ghanna ukoll il fisheries tharisna u tghamel moniteracc.....voldieri ahsbu seww fuq dak li qed tistudjaw fuqu ax id diletant ghandu l pis ukoll u ahna nghamlu min kollox biex nharsu is sostenibilta tghana diletant...ghalkhem dan kollu hemm min jarah !!

il quota kienet ghal min applika sentejn ilu jew kien jaf, pauline. Jin naf li kien hawn il kwota, mhix kwistjoni tal kwota.

il verita tibqa verita. Tal fishfarm ghandu l kwota u jistaduh illegali ukoll minn fuq d dghajsa taghhom. Din hi l issue. Issa jekk hawn min ma jridx jisma l verita u jghaddas rasu fir ramel fir ramel, f idejh. Jien pero nara l affarijiet kif inhuma mux gejna f punt li anqas kons tal lampuki ta 30 sunnara ma tista titfa!

Gaffer, ta fuq gewwa impjegati ikunu.

Min imur ghal kubrit naccetta, Naf min imur u jerga jitlaqhom (catch and release),  imma bil brazzol tal 160mm ma tkunx ghal kubrit....

Jien bniedem li nohrog u nirrispetta l ligi u l bahar, imma meta nohrog u nara din il porkerija ta nies u awtorita, nibda nahsibha kemm jien cuc, biex ma nuzax kelma ohra u nkun baxx.

Ahna nofqu eluf tal Euros gaffer ghal passatemp, li l gvern jiehu t taxxi fuqhom. Dawn kollox minn taht u l gvern ma jaqlax lira, u l awtorita kollox mejjet ghaliha?

[The_Gaffer]

Sewwa qed tghid Granitu.  Jien peress li dan huwa forum publiku, irrid inkun 'Politically correct' f'dak li nghid.  Ma nafx fic-cert jekk humiex impjegati jew le, li naf fic-cert huwa li jien ma nistax nidhol nistad il-gewwa mill-habel tal-fishfarm.  Pero dawn jistu, hemm ikunu, bil-brazzol, u l-baga.  Jien bil-qasba nkun.

Tal-permess ghas-sajd tat-tonn ghad-dilettanti hija storja ambigwa.  Fija hafna tahwid, u ma nixtieqx niddiskutija hawnhekk, ghax ma nafx il-fatti kollha. U il-ftit fatti  li naf, nafhom minghand 3rd persuni, allura miniex daqshekk intiz fija l-affari. 

Tal-fishfarm Granitu m'ghandux kwota.  Il-kwota tohrog lis-sajjieda.  Huma s-sajjieda li jbiehu l-kwota tahhom lil fishfarms! 
Is-sajjieda maltin jafu li mal purse sieners ma jlahqux.  Hafna minnhom japlikaw ghal kwota, biex wara jbihuha lil tal-fishfarms, ghax hekk jaqblilhom. 
Huma il-ftit sajjieda Maltin li ghandhom johorgu bil-konzijiet ghat-tonn, u dan jaghmluh fil-bikri biss, ghax la darba jigu l-bastimenti tax-xibka Gappunizi, jaqtawlhom kollox.  Uhud minnhom dawn is-sajjieda juzaw il-bastimenti tas-sajd tahhom biex ikarkru l-gagga lejn Malta, la darba tintela bit-tonn mill va[puri Gappunizi bix-xibka, jghidu jaghmlu iktar flus milli johorgu jistadu ghat-tonn.

[Pauline Tuna]

@Granitu:  Il kwota kienet mahruga fuq il gazzetta tal gvern...li kull citaddin jista jarahha u jitfa lapplikazzjoni ghalijha....li naqbel huwa li meta tohrog din il kwota il forum jigbed l-attenzjoni ghalijha. L-issue tas sajd li jistadu gewwa min min ikun haddiem ma tal fishfarms, Granitu nahseb dak mux jien jew inti narawh, nahseb dak l-imghalmin jarawh...nassigurak li kull mghallem ta kumopanija ma jhalliex il pagi li jghati hu stess jinhlew fhaddiema li ma jamlux xoghlom ajr li jistadu...tinsilwax jekk ma tafx ax tigi f'halq in nies bla intenzjoni habib....Rigward il hxuna tal brazzol mal gageg....nissugerilek titholx f'zarbun ta hadd iehor, kulhadd imur jistad kif irrid hu u huwa flóbligu tieghu kif jistad u xtip ta rkaptu juzha....hemm min jarah dak ix xoghol, ma nipretendiex deletant bhali jghidli xghandi nghamel....niehu pjacir nisma li inti segwi ligi tal bahar ax b'bhekk tkun responsabli ta emilek, bhala deletant nifrahlek u vera proset li tibqa segwi it tajjeb li tghamel inti....L-ahhar haga, nassigurak li dak li jisogra biex jghamel il hazin ax ikun ghadu ma nqabbadx......ara ma tahsibx li ligijiet qeghdin hemm biex tiksirhom ax il ligi qeghda tinghafas u qeda tigi mharsa...awn ufficjali hafna ukoll u moniteracc shih qed issir ta spiss...dajjes qeghdin jigu mwaqfa bosta u onka multi u citazzjonijiet qed issiru...voldieri granitu ahjar kelma anqas u tghamel fattik...milli tghati xi fatti li jista jfiosser li q

[Pauline Tuna]

nkompli argument......jista jfisser li qed tirfes kallu ta xi hadd...isma minni !!!
@ Gaffer.....Ghandek ragun inti zomm il moderazzjoni tieghek....trid taqbel ma kulhadd pero dak li ghadnu ragun...hadd pjacir li flahhar fimt dak li ktibt lewwel...tinsiex diga ghanna sample xgara u kif bdiet storja ta kaccaturi u nassaba u kif spiccat issa....xbaqalhom...xejn !!!!!......
Ghamilt zball zghir Gaffer meta ghedt li tal fishfarms ma ghandhiomx kwoti...anzi nghidlek biss li ghandhom pero din tigi moghtija mil IICAT...fejn jekk qabel kellhom tant illum lguranta din tnaqset ferm..
....Nixtieq nghamel dan il punt biss.....vera ahna deletanti..pero is settur ta tonn ghawn malta jigenera hafna xoghol u hafna spejjes.....Dawn ihadmu hafna nies...jehtiegu hafna kuntratturi...iqalaw bosta flus lil hwienet u servizzi....fl-ekonomija ta malta ihalu eluf kbar ta euro li dawn immoru ghand nies bhalna jew tal business li dawn jhallu xol fost il pajjis....veru li jghamlu xjghamlu..pero nkunu sincieri...min mindu gew il farms...min irrid hu ma jmurx jiehu naqa gost maghom..hu xinhu lispeci ta hut li jmur ghalieh !!!...jekk inti deltant mil qalb taf ghal xiex qed nireferi !!

[Granitu]

nkompli argument......jista jfisser li qed tirfes kallu ta xi hadd...isma minni !!!
@ Gaffer.....Ghandek ragun inti zomm il moderazzjoni tieghek....trid taqbel ma kulhadd pero dak li ghadnu ragun...hadd pjacir li flahhar fimt dak li ktibt lewwel...tinsiex diga ghanna sample xgara u kif bdiet storja ta kaccaturi u nassaba u kif spiccat issa....xbaqalhom...xejn !!!!!......
Ghamilt zball zghir Gaffer meta ghedt li tal fishfarms ma ghandhiomx kwoti...anzi nghidlek biss li ghandhom pero din tigi moghtija mil IICAT...fejn jekk qabel kellhom tant illum lguranta din tnaqset ferm..
....Nixtieq nghamel dan il punt biss.....vera ahna deletanti..pero is settur ta tonn ghawn malta jigenera hafna xoghol u hafna spejjes.....Dawn ihadmu hafna nies...jehtiegu hafna kuntratturi...iqalaw bosta flus lil hwienet u servizzi....fl-ekonomija ta malta ihalu eluf kbar ta euro li dawn immoru ghand nies bhalna jew tal business li dawn jhallu xol fost il pajjis....veru li jghamlu xjghamlu..pero nkunu sincieri...min mindu gew il farms...min irrid hu ma jmurx jiehu naqa gost maghom..hu xinhu lispeci ta hut li jmur ghalieh !!!...jekk inti deltant mil qalb taf ghal xiex qed nireferi !!

pauline, naf ghal xiex qed tghid

imma anke minghajr fishfarm, dak s sajd kien isir ukoll

L italja jaghmlu l istess sajda minghajr farms minn fuq s sikek - ma johorgux iktar minn 2 mili.

Kulhadd b xi kallu Pauline, naf li min hu l ikbar ihawwel, imma nassigurak li ahna d dilettanti niggeraw xol u ekonomija enormi.

Bizzejjed nghidlek li fuq l fuel l gvern jiehu 50c u iktar fuq kull litru ta diesel/petrol taxxa...

[caldaland]

hawn xi hadd jaf, kemm il-tunellata hut tal-lampara jinqabad kuljum sabiex jitimghu it-tonn tal-gageg? kavalli,lacci,vopi,sawrell u issa anki tumbrell qed jiddawwal.issaqsux il-pizkerija,ghax dawn ma jidhlux hemm.

[Pauline Tuna]

Caldaland....dak li qed isaqsi ghalieh inti, tista isaqsi lil tal fisheries li jistaw ituk detalji ahjar...dawk huma figuri publici....li hu vera huwa li hafna jinqabad u hafna jigi kunsmat bil mod kif qed tghid inti...pero li ma rridux ninsew huwa li biex dan issir .....jenhtieg hafna nies biex jahdmuh, jehtieg hafna nies biex jalfuh, jehtieg hafna xol biex izomu fil freezers - li dawn ikunu provduti min agenziji li jahdmu hafna nies mgahhom, jenhtieg hafna apparat biex il lamapara tahdem li jinxtara min hwienet maltin......Naf li inti deletant bhali u naf xinti tiprova tghid..naqbel mighek perfetament Caldaland...pero kulhadd irid jiekol....jekk nharsu il hsara li jghamlu setturi ohrajn nista nghidlek hares ftit madwarek u tara il hsara li saret u li qeda ssir...taf xjiena nghidlek habib !!!

[The_Gaffer]

@Pauline Tuna - Ghandek zball, u minn qed jinfurmak, qed jinfurmak hazin.  L-iccat ma taghtix kwoti lil fishfarms.  L-ICCAT tohrog kwoti ghal kull pajjiz.  Huwa il-Pajjiz (gvern) li umbghadd jaloka l-kwoti. Ghal beneficju ta kullhadd, L-ICCAT (International Committee for the Conservation of BF Tuna) hija maghmula minn numru ta pajjizi firmatorji fejn fija jiftehmu (jew jipprovaw jifthemu) kif ser issalvaw endangered species ta BFT, u jiftehmu fuq kwota globali li wara tigi mqasma skond kriteri stabiliti.  

Ejja ma nipprovawx indahqu in-nies bina, L-ICCAT huma kumitatt.  Il-Gappun ma jirrikonnoxiex x'tghid l-ICCAT.  Hemm Lobby qawwi hafna, ibbakjat mill-USA, li qed jipproponu lil-BFT jiehu CITES listing (Convention of International Trade of Endangered Species) li bazikament tfisser li it-tonn xorta jista jinqabad ghal konsum lokali, imma ma jistax jigi negozjat ma pajjizi barranin, iggifieri BAN TOTALI fuq esportazjoni tat tonn.  Tafu kif gie l-ahhar vot fuqa din meta tresqet din il-proposta fis-CITES, li allura jekk tigi accetata trid bil-fors tigi attwata fl-ICCAT!....Minn total ta 129 pajjiz, 79 pajjiz ivvota KONTRA li BFT jigi under a CITES listing, 43 FAVUR u 14 Asstenew.


tafu xini l-ligi tal BFT fl-USA.  il-legal size limit fl-USA hija 73inches, mhux 43 inches bhal ma hi Malta.  

[caldaland]

tal-fisheries m'ghandomx l-icken idea  ghax hafna drabi il-qbid ma jigiex irrappurtat.hadd ma jista jighd  kemm jinqabad

[Accjolaman]

Il verita hi li flews kollox. l industrija tas sajd f Malta iddur madwar hames nigozjanti gganti li jkollna naghmlu kullox biex nikkuntentawhom, xi sitta mhux daqshekk kbar li jkollhom jghixu bil loqom li jitfawlom i gganti. hemm xi tuzzana li joholmu li xi darba jirnexxu imma mghandemx cans u l bqijja balla zghar li jkollom jibqaw biz z--p. U tigux tghajtu b tal Fisheries ghax dawk l aqqas ghadhom jezistu.

[caldaland]

accjolaman,ilqat il-musmar fuq rasu.prosit!

[caldaland]

id-dniefel dehlin ma l-art bil-guh,inaqqu x-xbiek u l-konzijiet.u fil-futur qrib, ma nibdewx naraw xi kelb il-bahar wkoll.biss ma nahsibx li dan jigi irrappurtat fuq il-mezzi tal-media.kollox qaqocca hbieb!

[Pauline Tuna]

Gaffer I know all the subject and ure true...i gave that statement to keep it very simple to the people reading around...there is many criteria more.....taf inti ukoll !!

[bo]

jien nahseb li kull minn hu dilletant  li jistad xi naqra ghall passatemp daqt bye bye kollox .ghax nahseb bhal tas senter u l gabjun se jigrilna.biex tmur tistad naqra qeghda issir vera dificli. lewwel xokk xhin tmur tixtri il fuel ,mbad trid toqghod attent  xtaqbad,biex issuq naqra ta dghajsa qisek se suq xi tanker.ghax trid tkun taf bnadar u dwal usinjali .tajjeb li titghalem imma izejjed kollu zejjed.nahseb ahna ha nbatluh il bahar ghax forsi nohorgu darba f gimgha jew anqas u niehdu ftit pjacir.meta niehdu ghax iktar hazina milli tajba[. kemm konnha sewwa meta konnha ghar.

[caldaland]

ghalekk hemm bzonn l-ghaqda siehbi bo.